Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

He’s left me after 32 years

238 replies

Shylawyer · 01/02/2019 13:38

Long time lurker. I’ve been with the same man for 32 years, married for 19 of them. We have two grown up children (22 and 18). Last night, out of the blue, he left me. He says he’s still in love with me but feels that I’m just in love with the idea of him, but not the actual him and he can’t accept that situation. I have no idea what he’s talking about. Admittedly, we don’t do a lot together these days, and our sex life hasn’t been great for years. I’m not really that interested any more but I never really have been. He's known that from the outset, and if it is about the lack of sex, it’s the first time he’s said anything about it in three decades!

On my side, I feel left out of his life. He spends hours with the children playing in bands, going to their gigs, and messing about in the music room he built with them (he’s from a musical family and the children have inherited it). They (and their friends) waste hours in there playing guitars, drums, singing - it’s an endless racket. They constantly embarrass me by giving me a tambourine or some other foolish thing to make a noise with. I feel that they’re just laughing at me.

If they’re not in there, they’re messing about with old cars. He has always had an interest in fixing and restoring them and the children have been dragooned into helping. They all waste even more time fooling about with an old convertible and a horrible old 4x4. Very often, I sit in the house alone watching television while they’re outside in all weathers. They think it’s hysterical when one of these old wrecks breaks down and one or other of them has to be rescued by the others. I find this really embarrassing rather than funny. I can’t understand why they are so blasé about it.

If I can finally get him to spend time indoors with me, I have to share him with his mobile phone. He is passionate about politics and is constantly posting on forums about homelessness, the state of the NHS, Brexit, education - you name it. He’s a very liberal person and he always has some worthy cause or other to get excited about. Radio 4 is never off. Again, I have no interest in any of this and his constant pestering to get me into conversations that can turn into serious debates is quite tiring.

He is a partner in a large accountancy firm and we don’t have any money worries that could cause this behaviour. I’m a solicitor so have a demanding job myself. My career is very important to me and I work long hours but when I get home, he will not leave me alone. He is constantly fussing around me, wanting to talk - and when I’m cooking, he is constantly putting his arms around me, or kissing my neck until I have to shoo him away. He tries to help but he’s pretty clueless in the kitchen and I can’t keep things on time if he’s under my feet. So I shoo him out of the kitchen and then he sulks for hours and spoils the meal.

He says the straw that broke the camel’s back for him was my refusal to fly away to our friends’ place in Italy over the Christmas holidays. He had (once again) organised it as a surprise when he knows I hate that sort of thing. I like time to plan and prepare - not just jump on a plane and head off. He’s done it so many times and I’ve always made it clear I won’t play along with his half-arsed arrangements. But still he does it! It’s maddening.

We have a lovely home, a good life and he is throwing it all away for no reason that I can understand. I don’t know what to do. We’ve been together since I was a teenager and he was just 21. How can he say that it’s my fault that I’m not in love with him and he can’t live a lie? I do love him. He claims he needs me to love him the way that he loves me and in his opinion, I don’t. He’s acting like a lovestruck teenager. I feel that I’ve more than demonstrated my love for him by putting up with living with a man who acts like an overgrown child for all these years. How can I talk sense into him? I’m at my wits end.

OP posts:
user1479305498 · 02/02/2019 11:14

I do understand OP, on paper someone can sound amazing because you don’t see the nuances. My H too is angry and opinionated and it can get wearing. Funnily enough I used to be very outgoing but feel less so these days

RickOShay · 02/02/2019 11:15

I understand op. I hope you are ok and that you can rediscover yourself.
Flowers

toffeeapple123 · 02/02/2019 11:31

OP, I mean this in the kindest possible way - print off your post, take it to a therapist, and get talking Flowers

ravenmum · 02/02/2019 11:36

I'm confused as to why she even wanted to stay married to someone she doesn't even love.
If you'd asked me a month or two before my ex got his OW I'd have said that we loved one another, and that he was a good man with a few flaws that I accepted because of all his good points. When he started acting weirdly, I didnt want to break up with him, for that reason. When he started treating me like he hated me, I'd have told you that he was a nasty little shit who'd always treated me like crap. Now I think he's a rather sad character who could well have trouble finding himself a new partner as he is not honest with himself,and therefore also not genuine with others.

OP is presumably also torn as to exactly who this man is that she's spent her life with. And if she says "Oh, OK, that's true, we never loved each other", what does that mean? That they pointlessly spent 32 totally valueless years together? Sems pretty unlikely, doesn't it?

inthekitchensink · 02/02/2019 11:43

I wouldn’t want to live with him! Sounds like he has a lot of great qualities, but as an introvert who likes silence & solitude mostly i would be incompatible with him - perhaps you are the same? Being single & having your own peace & quiet would be very calming & therapeutic. Maybe explore that option?

Bluntness100 · 02/02/2019 11:43

You can see it right here on the thread - people saying the husband is great and the OP is to blame.

Yes, I agree with this, and her opening post led to it, the reality is often when a marriage breaks down there is faults on both sides. Right now the op is angry hurt and shocked, life as she knew it is ending. So she wants to lash out, attack him, make out it was all him.

The reality is people should not be encouraging her to do this, to rewrite her marriage, but encouraging her to see the the truth of it, the relationship is over and its best to split amicably.

That's hard to see at this stage, but enourcaging her to think he is some sort of abuser isn't good advice. From what she's written, neither of them are abusive, they simply want different things and are very different people. She is not some abused controlled woman, she seems very strong willed, she clearly does as she pleases, simply she's a hurt angry and confused woman right now.

fresh · 02/02/2019 11:50

ravenmum has nailed it. My first response to a pretty similar conversation with my H was to become very matter of fact and practical, because I was in shock and that's how I cope. Emails I sent in the immediate aftermath are now being used to show that I am - apparently! - completely happy about him buggering off with no discussion or explanation.

In truth he's done me a favour but the anger at how it was done is still there, along with the grief for the marriage. So I'm not making logical sense but who does in this situation?

OP, you'll go through all sorts of emotions in the coming months. Don't beat yourself up for this, it's a process.

And FWIW, to be able to hold on to your boundaries through 32 years of living with someone so different in many ways is a testament to you. That will see you in good stead!

springydaff · 02/02/2019 12:46

Bluntness, read CaptainJaneway62's post at 01.48 today.

Op says i have lived with the man you describe.

So he is abusive and op has to come to terms with that. It's not always the case but in this case it is.

You're going to quietly fly without this man dragging you down and boxing your ears with his insistent noise and activity. I think, once the shock and grief dies down, you're really going to come into your own. Imagine all the peace and quiet - bliss.

thethoughtfox · 02/02/2019 13:07

Do you have social anxiety? It's not usual to be embarrassed with/by your own children unless it's silly behaviour in a public setting.

SandyY2K · 02/02/2019 13:24

He sounds exhausting. I feel arranging surprise trips when you have made it clear you don't like them is ignoring your feelings.

I wouldn't be impressed by 2 hours of Brexit talk over dinner either.

I can see where he's coming from regarding the silent journey to London though.

Dissecting every TV program or film is also hard work.

The positives are that he has a good relationship with the kids and that you're financially independent.

Ultimately I think this is a case of being incompatible. I think after you've been able to regroup, you'll realise it's best all round.

You're both to young to live this life forever.

thethoughtfox · 02/02/2019 13:55

How did you show love and affection to him?

waitingfortherighttime · 02/02/2019 22:11

Some of you are like a dog with a bone.

The op has told you that he was controlling. You don't need to psycho analyse her. Take her word for it, since she lived it, and give her support.

Jolee32332 · 03/02/2019 02:11

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Bedsheets4knickers · 03/02/2019 09:41

Waste hours ????

Shylawyer · 04/02/2019 10:16

Well, I got through the weekend and my head is clearer now. DH came around yesterday and I just felt numb. I wasn’t angry at him at all. It was all very businesslike. I have to say that I borrowed a few pieces of advice I’ve received here! He is still insisting that if I work on “relaxing a little bit” and “showing a bit more interest” in joining in with his interests, that he “wants to make a go of it”. He says he’ll try to tone down the politics and analysis. I’m not sure he can keep that up for long. He’s moved into a furnished house a few miles away and I think he’s genuine. But again, this might be some “grand gesture” intended to change me rather than address the issue of our incompatibility. As so many of you have pointed out to me, we are very different. I think I have been kidding myself that we had developed a good coping mechanism.

Some have asked what my interests are. I like music (ironically), theatre, visiting art galleries and museums. I find history fascinating and I read everything I can pack into a Kindle. I like to travel and explore, not just jump on a plane and spend the weekend drinking and hanging around the pool talking. My passion is cooking and I’m good at it. DH would enter Masterchef immediately if he could cook and constantly tries to get me to, but it’s just not my style. I don’t have to draw attention to myself to enjoy my pastimes. And it helps that I love my work. I get to use the knowledge and skills I trained for years to get, every day. I am very lucky.

Fundamentally, I think my marriage is over and reflecting on it, it has been for a while. I have just taken the easy route and avoided the difficult conversations that we should have had much earlier. It would be too easy to blame DH for my fear of his bad reaction to me suggesting that all was not rosy in the garden, but I know that my reticence was partly driven by that. Now it’s all “out there”, it has been easier for me to deal with than I thought.

Someone asked did I suffer from social anxiety - I had to Google it but, yes, to a small degree. I like my network and I build it slowly. I have perhaps three close friends that I would go out with alone and share everything with, but they are long held and solid friendships that have persisted through all of my other life events like changing jobs, having children, moving to a different town etc.

I have many “acquaintances” through work and tbh through DH’s network. They are not people I could share any of this with. Nor can I speak to my parents yet. Their marriage is one of those where they stopped talking to each other years ago and now rub along in near silence in retirement. I don’t think that is what I would want for myself, but a happy balance between my marriage and theirs would be better.

I know that at some point I’m going to have to start telling people about all this and I’m dreading it. No matter what others might think, I do have a sense of embarrassment and failure (and I know I shouldn’t but I do), and I’m concerned that I won’t be able to handle all the sympathy with good grace. My life isn’t a soap opera and I hate the idea of others (no matter how well meant) talking about “poor old Shy” and making a fuss.

I have mixed feelings about posting my situation here too. It has been very difficult to read people say that they find me dislikeable and how marvellous DH sounds. That’s an incredible judgement to make based on a few lines of text. My choice of words might have been poor but I wasn’t really thinking straight. I’ve tried to be honest about both of us, but hey, some people just feel the need to have a bash. Maybe I am a bit of a cold fish for some of you “human labradors”. It takes all sorts.

Some of you though, have really “got” this and put into words my own feelings and experiences in ways I couldn’t or more likely, wouldn’t. Sending hugs to those of you in my situation, or have lived through being the spouse of a human Labrador!

For those kind wishes, Thank you. I am truly terrified about what comes next. I might post again if anything interesting happens but I’m quite sure the next few months will be pretty exhausting. I keep telling myself that this happens every day and people just get on with it. My children have handled the whole situation far better than their parents. I’m grateful for small mercies!

OP posts:
Lottapianos · 04/02/2019 10:37

'That’s an incredible judgement to make based on a few lines of text. '

Welcome to Mumsnet! I got told on another thread that I'm a show off who likes flashing my cash just because I tip in restaurants HmmGrin

Really glad you're feeling a bit better OP. The shock last week must have been intense x

Coronapop · 04/02/2019 10:45

I'm a bit surprised that you appear not to have tried to take an interest in the things your DCs are interested in. It seems odd to me.

ravenmum · 04/02/2019 10:58

I know what you mean, I felt quite awkward about it, too. It is also hard work explaining how it is all very sensible to break up when your knees are shaking.
Don't forget, everyone and anyone is on Mumsnet, we don't all have the same life experience and will all react differently: if you revealed your story to the lady driving the bus or the lady running the country, you'd get different answers, too. (I think right now I'd rely more on the bus driver.)

ElonMask · 04/02/2019 11:13

Hi OP. Apologies from me, I wasn't sure you were genuine. Mumsnet gets a lot of spam. I am sorry.

There is no shame in your marriage ending, it's incredibly common and your children are all grown up and seem to be handling it well. Good luck and take care Flowers

SandyY2K · 04/02/2019 11:26

I have to say your ability to self reflect is excellent. Your last post really shows you have sat back and thought through this intelligently.

Sometimes it takes quite a while for people to get to where you have in such a short time.

MN can be very judgmental... but you have to bear in mind that posters are different aged, with different life experiences and quite frankly varying abilities to be objective in a constructive manner.

I've no doubt with time you'll be okay. You articulate yourself well...but I'd expect no less from a lawyer. 👍

StormTreader · 04/02/2019 11:33

I suspect that you have fallen foul of the urge to be "nice" and have given us all your husbands good points while trying to be honest about your own downsides (probably things that have been "mentioned" to you by your DH in the past?). That's led to your first post where people have assumed he HAS no negative points because you've not mentioned them while you have mentioned your own.

twilightsaga · 04/02/2019 11:42

I actually agree with him. Everything about him, how he is and what he likes you don't and you 'shoo him away'. You are clearly grown in to very different people. Why would either of you want to continue the way things are

WH1SPERS · 04/02/2019 11:44

I know this is just a minor point in your OP, but I would find all that pontificating about issues to be bloody infuriating .

No one ever solved homelessness by posting on forums about it. Thats just virtue signalling. If he was genuine, he would do something. Eg volunteer his time , give money , fundraise with his bands, be active in a campaigning organisation.

He sounds like a right show off.

Bluntness100 · 04/02/2019 12:06

Good post, it does indeed seem he is trying to force a change, but as use come to realise, you don't really want to pretend you're someone you're not, and it's really not feasible for either of you to do so for any length of time, it would be a miserable existence. You'd simply fall back to where you are now, but with a little bit more resentment thrown in for good measure,

It takes balls to do what you're both doing now. As humans we take the path of least resistance, so we prefer to trundle along being unhappy than to shake it up in the hopes of a brighter future,

user1479305498 · 04/02/2019 12:19

You know OP , he will be a great match for some ‘tigger’ like woman but clearly it’s not for you. No ones fault just life changes , if it’s any consolation I have a friend who was married to someone like this for 30 years or so, it ended as he got caught having an affair. 6 months later she met a high up medical professional, good looking for his age, far more serious , and has now been with him 7 years. She got a great settlement, does some things with him, other stuff with friends and seems contented . I wish you well, think you will be totally fine