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He’s left me after 32 years

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Shylawyer · 01/02/2019 13:38

Long time lurker. I’ve been with the same man for 32 years, married for 19 of them. We have two grown up children (22 and 18). Last night, out of the blue, he left me. He says he’s still in love with me but feels that I’m just in love with the idea of him, but not the actual him and he can’t accept that situation. I have no idea what he’s talking about. Admittedly, we don’t do a lot together these days, and our sex life hasn’t been great for years. I’m not really that interested any more but I never really have been. He's known that from the outset, and if it is about the lack of sex, it’s the first time he’s said anything about it in three decades!

On my side, I feel left out of his life. He spends hours with the children playing in bands, going to their gigs, and messing about in the music room he built with them (he’s from a musical family and the children have inherited it). They (and their friends) waste hours in there playing guitars, drums, singing - it’s an endless racket. They constantly embarrass me by giving me a tambourine or some other foolish thing to make a noise with. I feel that they’re just laughing at me.

If they’re not in there, they’re messing about with old cars. He has always had an interest in fixing and restoring them and the children have been dragooned into helping. They all waste even more time fooling about with an old convertible and a horrible old 4x4. Very often, I sit in the house alone watching television while they’re outside in all weathers. They think it’s hysterical when one of these old wrecks breaks down and one or other of them has to be rescued by the others. I find this really embarrassing rather than funny. I can’t understand why they are so blasé about it.

If I can finally get him to spend time indoors with me, I have to share him with his mobile phone. He is passionate about politics and is constantly posting on forums about homelessness, the state of the NHS, Brexit, education - you name it. He’s a very liberal person and he always has some worthy cause or other to get excited about. Radio 4 is never off. Again, I have no interest in any of this and his constant pestering to get me into conversations that can turn into serious debates is quite tiring.

He is a partner in a large accountancy firm and we don’t have any money worries that could cause this behaviour. I’m a solicitor so have a demanding job myself. My career is very important to me and I work long hours but when I get home, he will not leave me alone. He is constantly fussing around me, wanting to talk - and when I’m cooking, he is constantly putting his arms around me, or kissing my neck until I have to shoo him away. He tries to help but he’s pretty clueless in the kitchen and I can’t keep things on time if he’s under my feet. So I shoo him out of the kitchen and then he sulks for hours and spoils the meal.

He says the straw that broke the camel’s back for him was my refusal to fly away to our friends’ place in Italy over the Christmas holidays. He had (once again) organised it as a surprise when he knows I hate that sort of thing. I like time to plan and prepare - not just jump on a plane and head off. He’s done it so many times and I’ve always made it clear I won’t play along with his half-arsed arrangements. But still he does it! It’s maddening.

We have a lovely home, a good life and he is throwing it all away for no reason that I can understand. I don’t know what to do. We’ve been together since I was a teenager and he was just 21. How can he say that it’s my fault that I’m not in love with him and he can’t live a lie? I do love him. He claims he needs me to love him the way that he loves me and in his opinion, I don’t. He’s acting like a lovestruck teenager. I feel that I’ve more than demonstrated my love for him by putting up with living with a man who acts like an overgrown child for all these years. How can I talk sense into him? I’m at my wits end.

OP posts:
Paddy1234 · 01/02/2019 23:08

But that's the thing - by writing it down you can't convey that 'something' is not just right. It all looked perfect and everyone initially took his side however ....

The ex-wife is very happy remarried and has a great and far more healthy relationship with her boys.

He still has a good relationship with his boys , there is no denying that but has not been able to forge a personal relationship.

Japanesejazz · 01/02/2019 23:37

If you are a solicitor OP, then you know he hasn’t left out of the blue, he’s been waiting until your youngest reached 18.

Urwotu8t · 02/02/2019 00:27

I agree, it must be very annoying to work a long day then come home and have to cook. If there are three adults in the house there is no reason why you shouldn't take it in turns.

CaptainJaneway62 · 02/02/2019 01:48

Flowers @Shylawyer

Yeah I agree with Paddy123
I knew a guy just like this who did absolutely everything for his own benefit.
Everything was arranged around his schedule, even sex...it's one hell of a turn off!
Came across as a Super Dad but he was totally exhausting to be around.
Talked non stop about everything and if you got on the wrong side of him, he would 'lecture' for 4hours straight about how things had to be done his way. A really awful temper when he lost control and was really scary!
This type of person builds resentment in their partner over a long period of time, usually when the children become adults and the partner is able to see for the first time that all is not well.

Unless someone has lived with this type of person then it is really difficult for them to understand or put themselves in your shoes.

I really think that you would benefit in having time on your own e.g. weekends away or even going on holiday by yourself doing things that you want to do rather than being told by him what you are going to be doing.
I can see why you are frustrated and despondent OP. You have a very demanding job and need down time chilling at home.
If you have room in your house...set up a relaxation room for yourself preferably where you can't hear the racket. Or invest in a set of good headphones.
Set up a lovely library of all the stuff you like reading, somewhere that is your space!
Whichever way you need to start putting yourself first for your own emotional wellbeing Flowers

Bluntness100 · 02/02/2019 07:53

I think some folks are missing the point. He has left the op. She has not left him. So as much as it reads she can't stand him, she doesn't want this.

However, I'm also suspicious he's just waited till the oldest was 18, spent his time focusing on the kids, probably thinks in. his mind he has tried, and likely there is someone else he may be interested in or involved with,

Two hours in the car without saying s word for example, I mean there is comaniable silence and then there is basically stubborn ignoring, and this is the latter.

When a marriage breaks down there is usually fault on both sides, but pretending this man is in some way controlling, abusive is silly. They are simply different people who have grown apart.

ittakes2 · 02/02/2019 08:07

I'm wondering if this is a reverse - you spent so many paragraphs writing what you don't like about him and it seems he should owe you staying married as you have put up with him? He sounds like a great dad to me - finding and encouraging common interest with his children. He has been trying to engage with you and you have rejected him. There is no fault anywhere - you just sound incompatible unfortunately. You need to find someone who likes the same indoor pursuits with the same sex drive as yourself.

Scott72 · 02/02/2019 08:24

What's a "reverse"? Is that a made up story where the normal roles played by each gender are reversed (i.e. the wife is the clueless one and the husband is long suffering)?

Shylawyer · 02/02/2019 08:54

Captainjaneway62

Thank you! That’s it. I’ve thought about everything that others have written here (which hasn’t been easy) and that’s exactly what has happened. I have lived with the man you describe. I’ve been the one who has tolerated all the controlling behaviour. I have retreated into myself.

I am really unhappy that he’s been the one to leave - and blame me. As someone posted earlier I am a bit socially isolated and that is scary. But it’s fair to say that I’ve had my eyes opened in the last 48 hours in lots of ways.

I have realised that I was starting to mourn the loss of 32 years of my life, not DH. He is right, but it won’t do him any good. I’m not in love with him. I can’t transform my 50-something self into his fantasy wife even if I wanted to, and I don’t. I am daunted by starting out on my own but I know I’m lucky because my children are grown up and I’m not dependent on DH financially.

DD and I are going shopping this morning - like we often do. She’s a good friend. As unsure as I am about the future and once I can stop crying at inappropriate moments (like the cheese counter in Asda yesterday), this morning feels like a new chapter is starting. I hope I can keep this feeling going.

OP posts:
HopeIsNotAStrategy · 02/02/2019 08:56

I’m sorry this has come as a big shock OP - given the ages of your children you are suddenly facing going from being part of a busy household of four to facing the world in your own for the first time in your life. That’s a big enough change for anyone, apart from the fact your marriage may well be ending, and other posters should be more sympathetic.

Your first post did come across as being not very self aware, but your subsequent updates shed more light in the situation. Ignore all the posters who jump in with harsh responses without reading the full thread.

For what it’s worth I think your husband sounds fairly exhausting and a little bit Disney dad. Have you always had different energy levels, and do you need some quiet time at home to recuperate from what must be a demanding job? Do you always get to run the home single handed, leaving him with the time and energy to be the “fun” one?

This will be a time of much soul searching and unhappiness for you in the short term I’m sure, not least because he’s the one who’s made the move and already got his head straight about it. You are only just starting out on that road. However I do suspect as others have intimated that eventually you could find yourself in a much happier and more compatible situation in the next stage of your life.

Tbh I also just wonder whether he’s got someone else waiting on the sidelines. I say this just to warn you not to be surprised if that turns out to be the case - in which case, it really isn’t you, it’s him.

Good luck sweetheart, it’s early days but it will all sort itself out. You’ve got this. 💐

pointythings · 02/02/2019 09:48

I think it's great that your kids aren't taking sides. Being blamed is unpleasant and he needs to stop that and just accept that you are not compatible. You both deserve to live happy, satisfying lives, his loud and yours warm and peaceful.

smartiecake · 02/02/2019 10:00

I'm glad to see the positivity in your recent update. I think your husband sounds opinionated and a bit of a nightmare. You should be able to do what you want when you come home from work and do what you need to/live the way you want. And if that is a companiable silence then there is nothing wrong in that. Your husbands behaviour would drive me mad.
I agree with the poster who said to take time for yourself now. No one else has put you first for years so time for you to do this and work out what you want.

Scott72 · 02/02/2019 10:03

Sorry for doubting the veracity of your story OP. I see you wrote your original post in a state of grief without having a chance to reflect. Although superficially he sounds fun, living with him as an introvert would be exhausting. And springing surprise holidays on people who don't enjoy that isn't nice. Fundamentally though you are both decent people, just incompatible.

over50andfab · 02/02/2019 10:05

@Scott72 see here for what a reverse is: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1455775-What-is-a-reverse-AIBU

OP I’m sorry if.my other message came across as harsh, and you did explain things a lot more in further postings. There has been some great advice on here. I’m glad you’ve reread the posts and hopefully they’ll help to understand your situation better.

I hope that in time you understand that separating is for the best - for both of you. And I also echo how great it is that the DC haven’t taken sides.

ravenmum · 02/02/2019 10:16

I’ve been the one who has tolerated all the controlling behaviour. I have retreated into myself.
Before I read this I was already thinking that maybe you had a similar feeling to me when my ex got himself an OW. Part of me was pissed off that he was now acting as if I had been hard to live with, when I'd put up with his less pleasant traits without complaining, defending his flaws and putting it down to the compromises you make in a marriage. So now, when he was portraying me as awful, I couldn't even bring up those negative things, as it would sound like I was making a complete U-turn purely to get my own back. Bloody frustrating when I'd put myself second and swallowed a lot more than he had.

I think some of the posters are forgetting that you are currently in shock, and furious and hurt by him suddenly ripping your life apart, and that this might just possibly have a tiny effect on your description of him in your OP. I imagine that if anyone had asked about your marriage last month, you would not have made it sound quite the same.

My ex was also the more outgoing one, who dominated conversations. When we met friends or talked to neighbours, I felt I came across as less friendly and chatty. There would never be any gaps in the conversation, which I liked - but he often left no time for others to reflect, and it would just be him talking. To be honest, it's been quite liberating being on my own: I have to make more effort to talk to people, but the conversations are better quality. I feel like I have found the old me again. I've also been forced to socialise more, and be more active, and it's made me realise I should have done that years ago.

For a while you're going to feel like everything's been upturned, you don't know what is what, all your values have been questioned, but as you gradually put things back in their new places, I bet you'll feel stronger and better than you have for years.

sonjadog · 02/02/2019 10:17

It does sound like you and he are completely incompatible and that he has been biding his time until the kids were grown up. No matter the rights and wrongs of it, it must come as a big shock that he wants to end it and it will take a while to adjust.

Good luck in the future. I hope (and think) that in a little while you will find that splitting up was actually a good thing and that you are happier living away from him.

crimsonlake · 02/02/2019 10:31

I am sorry to read this and partly I understand where you are coming from. Some people like to analyse everything and have deep meaningful conversations about every single subject that is brought up. As you say it is impossible to just have general chit chat and that is what you need after a busy day at work. As you have both got older you have both changed and possibly have different needs that the other cannot fulfil and neither of you are meeting each others needs. You are very lucky that you have a good job and are financially independent, once you have got over the shock I have no doubt that you will go on to have a very contented, happy life.

TacoLover · 02/02/2019 10:36

I’m not really that interested any more but I never really have been.

Why do you care thenConfused

TacoLover · 02/02/2019 10:42

You don't even love him, I'm confused as to why you wanted to stay in the marriage?

JennyHolzersGhost · 02/02/2019 10:43

That’s the spirit, OP! Best of luck. Come back and start a new thread for moral support. This place can be great sometimes. Ignore the h8rs Grin

ravenmum · 02/02/2019 10:48

@TacoLover - are you really asking someone why they are upset at being dumped after 32 years? Plus, read the thread.

Smallhorse · 02/02/2019 10:51

Just because you don’t sound compatible doesn’t mean you won’t feel devastated . I’m not sure why so many can’t grasp that. Your poor heart. It has clearly been a terrible shock.

However it sounds like , if he goes through with the leaving , you could emerge from it all as very good friends , with solid family relationships with your children .

Good luck op x

Bluntness100 · 02/02/2019 10:55

I'm not sure about "all this controlling behaviour" to be honest. You come across as a very determined woman, who does exactly as she wishes when she wishes.

Controlling is not him hanging with the kids, getting you to join in, trying to show you affection, making conversation, he is not abusive because he is extroverted, because he likes cars and music, becsude he gets passionate about politics. This is not abuse. It is not controlling. He has a right not to sit in his house in silence watching rhe tv, he has a right to spend his time with his kids, and yes he has a right to expect some level of affection from his spouse.

I understand you're hurt he has left you. But I think it would be very sad for you to rewrite your life with him and decide he was abusive. Sad for you, or him and for the kids.

Simply you are different people, you have grown apart, and you do reject him and barely tolerate him, and that is not easy for someone to live with year after year.

It does not matter if other introverts would struggle to live with an extrovert. Being an extrovert does not make you a bad person. There is nothing wrong with it.

So don't re write your life together to make him out to be an abusive controlling spouse, because you're angry and hurt he has left you
That does no one any favours, and your kids will think less of you for it.

ravenmum · 02/02/2019 11:08

I agree that there's a difference between dominating and controlling behaviour. I can also imagine how it would feel if your spouse took over all the family activities and you were left on the sidelines. I think that OP might be focusing on that right now as she's being blamed and wants to defend herself by blaming him right back.

This is why I hate the blame game. You can see it right here on the thread - people saying the husband is great and the OP is to blame.
Taking sides. We all feel the urge to do it, knowing full well that life is not that simple. It's horrible to be blamed when you have just been dumped.

rightreckoner · 02/02/2019 11:09

I think he has done you a favour although I get that it’s a bitter pill to swallow when you feel you have retreated all these years in order to allow him to be as big a person as he needs to be. Perhaps you just thought you would carry on as you are, living different lives, and that would be sufficient.

But it’s not sufficient for him and it actually isn’t for you either. It will take you a long time to open up and remember what it is you want. But you have that opportunity now.

Perhaps counselling will help you. It would be a shame if the topsy-turvey feeling - where he (the pain) is leaving you (the accommodator) - gets in the way of your future happiness.

You sound as far from Gwyneth Paltrow as it’s possible to be but might you aim for a conscious uncoupling ? A kind and loving recognition that you both could and should move on ?

Wishing you all the best OP. You’ve been gracious and restrained on this thread.

TacoLover · 02/02/2019 11:13

are you really asking someone why they are upset at being dumped after 32 years Plus, read the thread.
I have read the thread. I'm confused as to why she even wanted to stay married to someone she doesn't even love.