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He’s left me after 32 years

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Shylawyer · 01/02/2019 13:38

Long time lurker. I’ve been with the same man for 32 years, married for 19 of them. We have two grown up children (22 and 18). Last night, out of the blue, he left me. He says he’s still in love with me but feels that I’m just in love with the idea of him, but not the actual him and he can’t accept that situation. I have no idea what he’s talking about. Admittedly, we don’t do a lot together these days, and our sex life hasn’t been great for years. I’m not really that interested any more but I never really have been. He's known that from the outset, and if it is about the lack of sex, it’s the first time he’s said anything about it in three decades!

On my side, I feel left out of his life. He spends hours with the children playing in bands, going to their gigs, and messing about in the music room he built with them (he’s from a musical family and the children have inherited it). They (and their friends) waste hours in there playing guitars, drums, singing - it’s an endless racket. They constantly embarrass me by giving me a tambourine or some other foolish thing to make a noise with. I feel that they’re just laughing at me.

If they’re not in there, they’re messing about with old cars. He has always had an interest in fixing and restoring them and the children have been dragooned into helping. They all waste even more time fooling about with an old convertible and a horrible old 4x4. Very often, I sit in the house alone watching television while they’re outside in all weathers. They think it’s hysterical when one of these old wrecks breaks down and one or other of them has to be rescued by the others. I find this really embarrassing rather than funny. I can’t understand why they are so blasé about it.

If I can finally get him to spend time indoors with me, I have to share him with his mobile phone. He is passionate about politics and is constantly posting on forums about homelessness, the state of the NHS, Brexit, education - you name it. He’s a very liberal person and he always has some worthy cause or other to get excited about. Radio 4 is never off. Again, I have no interest in any of this and his constant pestering to get me into conversations that can turn into serious debates is quite tiring.

He is a partner in a large accountancy firm and we don’t have any money worries that could cause this behaviour. I’m a solicitor so have a demanding job myself. My career is very important to me and I work long hours but when I get home, he will not leave me alone. He is constantly fussing around me, wanting to talk - and when I’m cooking, he is constantly putting his arms around me, or kissing my neck until I have to shoo him away. He tries to help but he’s pretty clueless in the kitchen and I can’t keep things on time if he’s under my feet. So I shoo him out of the kitchen and then he sulks for hours and spoils the meal.

He says the straw that broke the camel’s back for him was my refusal to fly away to our friends’ place in Italy over the Christmas holidays. He had (once again) organised it as a surprise when he knows I hate that sort of thing. I like time to plan and prepare - not just jump on a plane and head off. He’s done it so many times and I’ve always made it clear I won’t play along with his half-arsed arrangements. But still he does it! It’s maddening.

We have a lovely home, a good life and he is throwing it all away for no reason that I can understand. I don’t know what to do. We’ve been together since I was a teenager and he was just 21. How can he say that it’s my fault that I’m not in love with him and he can’t live a lie? I do love him. He claims he needs me to love him the way that he loves me and in his opinion, I don’t. He’s acting like a lovestruck teenager. I feel that I’ve more than demonstrated my love for him by putting up with living with a man who acts like an overgrown child for all these years. How can I talk sense into him? I’m at my wits end.

OP posts:
tirisfalpumpkin · 01/02/2019 15:28

The follow up posts from the OP do paint a bit of a different picture - it seems there’s an element of husband lolloping through life doing all the fun stuff leaving a trail of chaos that OP has no choice but to participate in.

I think OP is getting an unduly hard time for her honesty, and for not painting herself in an entirely positive light, which can’t have been easy. It’s not really helpful to speculate if it’s a reverse either - smells a bit like troll hunting. I have responded in good faith on the assumption that Op is genuine, and I think she and DH have a serious compatibility problem.

averythinline · 01/02/2019 15:30

You dont sound very well suited -

however I know a lot of people that would not want a 'surprise' holiday trip either....especially if none of the wider things like childcare etc had been sorted.... 'surprises' are often more to do with the ego of the person giving the surprise - look on Mnet for how many peple would hate a surprise party .....never mind a half thought about holiday...

I equally wouldnt want a 2hr lecture on brexit over dinner either.....and both dh and I are r4, politically interested etc etc - maybe we are sad fuckers but what one of the best things about my relationship is taht we are very comfortable with being silent/quiet together - maybe not the 2hrs but I do remember with an ex getting to birmingham and saying ...ooh do i get to speak now...

he sounds quite wearing actually and all about 'him' ....I am very affectionate but not whilst i'm cooking - maybe I'm on the spectrum too but 1 thing at a time :)
maybe its just an introvert /extrovert thing ....but apart from the music stuff he doesnt sound as great as all that....

maybe there is an OW or maybe its mid life crisis thing but you may
you may find your life a lot less stressful - and you may both be happier if you werent together...

Tawdrylocalbrouhaha · 01/02/2019 15:35

I'm overthinking this now and wondering whether the OP's husband's ebullience and general fabulousness might have eclipsed her sense of fun over the years? Like when I (who generally have plenty to say) find myself in the company of a friend who is extremely talkative and lively and interesting and opinionated and centre-of-attentiony, and I find myself being less talkative and interesting because there just isn't room for everyone to be fabulous at the same time?

springydaff · 01/02/2019 15:36

If this isn't a reverse I wonder if the OP might be autistic?

Why do you talk about the op in the third person, as if she isn't here, reading every word? It is dehumanising.

Op you're not suited. You really aren't. You're not a killjoy or, for goodness sake, toxic: you are just totally different people. I can quite see how he would drive you - and anyone - mad!

It's hard to think of being alone but I really think, once you get over the shock, you'll enjoy it and maybe have the opportunity to pair up with someone with whom you are much better suited.

You two are a complete mismatch. You should have gone your separate ways years and years ago.

Do get some therapy to work this through Flowers

Shylawyer · 01/02/2019 15:39

I am and always have been very shy. My parents are both very shy. At first DH was the difference I needed. I couldn’t have got through uni without the confidence I got from him. I have supported him in many ways too.

We used to laugh at lots of the same things and we still do. I love those moments. And we do still enjoy intimacy. It’s true that I don’t want sex as much as him but often when I have been in the mood he has done something that has killed it. He has a terrible temper and whilst it blows over quickly, it can be terrifying.

I don’t mean to paint DH as an ogre because he isn’t. And in defence of myself I have tolerated a lot of childish behaviour that I won’t bore you with the details of but being constantly late, missing the kids birthdays, and all of the usual misdemeanours have been endured over the years. I don’t want to sit and watch television in silence. I want to watch it without it being discussed as if we were the Guardian tv critics. Same with films. Same with the theatre. We never seem to be able to enjoy these things in the moment. He has to dissect and critique them all the time. At first, this was exciting and I loved him for his opinions.

But it has never stopped. If anyone is the fun sponge it’s DH. Everything has to be analysed. There is never just enjoying something and not commenting on it or deconstructing it. Doing my job I want to be able to switch off and just let rubbish books and films into my life and not be told off that I read too much chick lit. There is never any silent reflection in our house because of DH. I have re-read my posts and tbh I do sound a bit of a pain. I’m not.

I’m just tired and a bit shocked. Maybe all this is for the best.

And DH isn’t a meal ticket. I’ve had a few eye-opening comments but that hurts the most.

OP posts:
springydaff · 01/02/2019 15:42

Don't be hurt by ignorant comments op Flowers

ravenmum · 01/02/2019 15:46

he hasn't got much love and respect for me either.
If neither of you has much love and respect, I'm with the others.

Our time together seems like such a waste for both of us if it ends like this.
It's a shame that he's chosen to apportion blame, certainly. It's human nature to want to blame people, but not actually necessary. If you both want different things from life, that's as much his fault as yours - i.e. no-one's fault really. But you've not just spent all those years twiddling your thumbs. The time hasn't been wasted. Don't let him take all the value out of the past.

It is a shock, and not nice to be blamed, so of course you'll be feeling bad now - but don't automatically take the opposite position to him just because you disagree with his blaming, and just because it's his idea. Have a good look deep into your soul and see if it might not actually open up new doors to both of you, the chance for you both to find someone on the same wavelength.

TwoGinScentedTears · 01/02/2019 15:47

ShyLawyer you know what, you are getting a hard time here. I hope my previous comments weren't hurtful.

But maybe you could see this as an opportunity to do all the things you want (watch tv and films normally, go out and natter through dinner etc) with someone who wants to do that too. Be it a friend, or in the future another partner.

Maybe he's doing you a favour-there's a different life out there and it's yours for the taking!

Lottapianos · 01/02/2019 15:48

'And DH isn’t a meal ticket'

I have no idea where that came from. You were perfectly clear from the beginning that you have your own career and are financially independent.

I know springy, some people round here have absolutely zero empathy Hmm

ThursdayLastWeek · 01/02/2019 15:51

Shylawyer I just want to send a virtual hug. No matter the circumstances, after 32 years it’s going to be a hell of a shock. Please be kind to yourself and try not to take these comments to heart.

FWIW I really agree with you about the eccentric percentage - some of what you describe sounds very wearing.

MWNA · 01/02/2019 15:52

He sounds exhausting.
I'd hate to live and parent with someone like that. But then I'm autistic and accept my idiosyncrasies. Are you?

I think once you get over the shock, this might not be such a terrible thing to have happened.

RomanyRoots · 01/02/2019 15:54

I understand the not liking surprises sprung on you.
just because another person enjoys those type of things doesn't mean their partner does.
I'm extrovert and love surprises, so family organised a surprise party for big birthday. my dh would have hated this is more private and introverted.
Over the 30 years we've been together we know one another well enough to understand this. The OP dh has had just as long to know she doesn't like this kind of thing.

Bluntness100 · 01/02/2019 15:55

The follow up posts from the OP do paint a bit of a different picture

They nearly always do. When faced with posters saying you're behaving badly, The op in most instances starts to skew the story to make them look better and the spouse look worse as a way to garner support.

Op, thr bottom line is you don't. Accept him for him, you simply toekrate him because you don't wish to be alone and like your lifestyle as a couple, he annoys you. And he knows it and doesn't want to be married to someone who barely tolerates him and is only with him because they perceive it as better than being alone and like the lifestyle.

fresh · 01/02/2019 16:06

I'm Shock at the treatment of the OP. Can none of you realise that a woman in shock at the end of a long marriage might not have the capacity to craft a perfectly-worded, entirely unbiased post?

FWIW OP, you have my sympathy. Relationships change over the years and it takes both of you to be able to see it and have the courage and capacity to discuss it and change (or not). Doesn't sound to me like you've had the chance to do that. But it also doesn't sound like there's much of a way back without it. Take some time to work out what you want once the shock has worn off. Flowers

juneau · 01/02/2019 16:16

Your update gives more info that would've been good to have initially - his nasty temper, for instance. I really do think though that you might be happier apart OP. Everything you've said just underlines how different the two of you are. And he clearly doesn't make you happy. 32 years is a long time, and if he's the only man you've ever had a relationship with it's understandable that this scary and upsetting, but I honestly think you might prefer life without him in, in the long run. It sounds like he exhausts you and that your preference for a quiet life doesn't suit him. Opposites may attract, but they don't always make the best long-term partners. One final thing - you sound quite socially isolated - you're going to need to talk about this so what about finding a relationship therapist who you can visit on your own and try to make some sense out of what has happened?

Bluntness100 · 01/02/2019 16:17

Actually.i can understand the ops shock.

Op, correct me if I'm wrong, but you thought you had both settled into a way of being, you were aware there were issues but you felt you both accepted them and were in it for the long haul.

And he's shocked you by saying, actually I don't want to live like this, and you can't comprehend why he'd rather be alone, than deal with the niggles to keep the family together and your lives entact. Now you face living alone, and you didn't envisage this. You're trying to point out, you lived with his shit, so he should live with yours, but much of your reactions you feel are because of how he behaves.

Your family actually sound fabulous, passionate, fun and engaged, music, cars, all of them close and I assume your kids are now legally adults.

Maybe he's just been trying too hard For too long. And with. The prospect of the kids leaving home he is starting to think he can try again, meet someone who does like the things he does, who want to go on surprise weekends away, argue politics, have sex, whatever,

There may already be another woman, there often is. Men don't usually leave unless they have some place to go, and I wouldn't be surprised if You suddenly find he is dating again very quickly.

pococops · 01/02/2019 16:47

OP, I too would find your DH exhausting and draining by how you describe him Flowers
Could it be you're an introvert and he's an extrovert and over compensating?
Perhaps time to decide if you can both compromise or if you've becomemore mismatched as time has gone on..

Captainj1 · 01/02/2019 17:18

I’m amazed a partner in a large accountancy firm has any significant spare time to waste 🤷‍♀️

IroningMan · 01/02/2019 17:20

Read this back. Try and disconnect and read it back. It reads like you have nothing in common and no connection.

You say you feel disconnected from his life but then you also say you can not tolerate him trying to talk to you or showing you affection or even trying to help in the kitchen. So what's he supposed to do? He goes and spends time with the kids and it's wrong, he talks to you and it's wrong, he tries to help and it's wrong.

You also call all his hobbies and interests stupid and call him childish, useless, boring and an embarrassment. Read it back and replace his hobbies with yours and imagine how you'd feel if he wrote these things about you.

The biggest thing that comes across here is that you appear to have utter contempt for all his hobbies and interests and him as a person. Your post reads like you don't even like him let alone love him.

If even half of this comes across in real life I'm surprised it's taken this long for him to leave.

I know it seems like a massive shock but please read it back slowly and imagine him saying these things about you.

SwordofGryffindor · 01/02/2019 17:22

Of course you don't have many friends.
Your husband is a talkactive kind man who you shut down .
You probably shut friends down too.

Giesabreak · 01/02/2019 17:34

How old are your kids, OP? And what's your relationships with them like?

pointythings · 01/02/2019 17:37

You sound like you want completely different things out of life and out of your relationship. You were different people who complemented each other to start with, but now you've grown apart - I think it's time for an amicable parting of the ways so you can both live a life you enjoy.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 01/02/2019 17:52

I can't believe the shitty responses OP is getting but that's how it is these days. Pile on to give a kicking. Pathetic. Ignore them OP. They can't resist calling you names and deriding you as a person because they are lacking themselves. Let them salivate over your husband being a single man... Urgh

tirisfalpumpkin, springydaffs and fresh have a different perspective and I agree with them. You sound articulate and cognisant. It's not a crime to have a rant about family here, obviously you're not posting about the fun times and the glorious times because that's not what your thread is about. So many posters here can't read or comprehend yet launch their bitter spite regardless.

I wouldn't want to live with a clown or somebody who seeks every opportunity to blether on about politics. I don't expect he has enough respect for others to keep his loud voice down either.

You obviously had something together and you've raised your children together. Let your marriage come to a respectful end and let your children have their relationships with both of you. I doubt very much that they see you as anything but a loving mum, regardless of what the harridans here say. They are not taking sides and I'm sure they value both parents.

There are other men out there for you and in the meantime, a bit of quiet introspection would be good for you maybe? Who knows what the future holds but life is too short to be tethered to somebody whom you have grown up away from.

This could be a very positive thing, even if it doesn't feel that way at the moment. Thanks

Whisky2014 · 01/02/2019 18:00

Jesus. This can't be real?

OP, you dont like anything your husband does and you seem to resent your kids liking what he does and being involved In the sake things. He shows you love but you "shoo" him away. He doesn't spoil dinner, you do!
What do you actually like about him?
Why are you afraid of being on your own if you actually get irritated by him and the kids all the time?
Old cars breaking down isn't embarrassing. That's a peculiar choice of word. A faff, hassle, inconvenience, yes. But not embarrassing surely?
Sounds like he tried in this relationship and you just haven't. He's made the right choice I think. And i actually think you'll be just fine on your own.

Whisky2014 · 01/02/2019 18:02

And i think the kids giving you a tambourine is them trying to include you?