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I want to get my feelings about dh off my chest; bit of a long drawn out rant, sorry, feel free to ignore!

244 replies

Mossy · 01/07/2007 13:40

I've been trying my best to get over the way dh acted towards me in the last few weeks of my pregnancy and now ds is born but I'm finding it difficult so just wanted to get it off my chest.

For the last few months of my pregnancy dh withheld sex; he later told me this was because he had found the whole huge, stretchmarked, lying on the couch exhausted in a comfy dressing gown thing a huge turnoff.

As soon as I went one day overdue he started heaping the pressure on for me to be induced. In the end I bowed to the pressure at +15 days (my decision too, as I could see my maternity leave ticking away, but if I'd had more support from him I may have stuck it out longer) and it was horrible.

When ds was born, for the first week he was the doting father, changed nappies, cuddled him, bathed him etc. but as soon as the crying started dh's interest just waned and it was all down to me; especially as this co-incided with his paternity leave ending.

When ds started wanting to bf round the clock at about three weeks (as it was the only thing that would stop him crying) dh's solution was to try and pressure me to ff him.... not so I could get a rest, oh no. So that I could "at least sweep the hall and wash the dishes" because it was the first thing he saw when he came in from work.

Dh was convinced I had pnd and this was the reason why I was in tears most of the time, nothing to do with his complete lack of support and his going on about the housework not being done, and pointing out that I should be doing exercise by now to lose the weight and stop scoffing chocolate in such copious amounts.

So I went to the Dr. and got put on 20mg Prozac a day.

It made it a lot easier for me to deal with ds' constant crying, and with me finally getting some excellent rl bf support, and with him simply getting older (11 wks) his crying has calmed down and he is much happier. So now the housework does get done.

Dh thinks that ds' increased happiness is because "happy mum = happy baby" with the implied criticism that ds was unhappy because I was.

Dh and I sleep in separate rooms, initially this was a week-day arrangement to enable dh to get enough sleep for work, and then we'd sleep in the same room at the weekend and I would feed ds but dh would settle him after a feed. But now it's every day, with the clause that at weekends, dh will take ds off me for two hours to enable me to lie in.

Initially this was bonding time; dh would take ds for a walk around the park in his baby carrier thingy; the last few weekends now ds is happier and less demanding, it has been dh lying on the couch watching telly with ds in his baby bouncer being "good" (i.e. quiet).

Dh does do all the cooking. But even this is because if I cook I might - horror of horrors - not cook everything from scratch and might for example occasionally use a jar of sauce to save time.

And now he keeps making pointed comments about money, and that my maternity leave comes to an end "really soon" (September) and I had better start looking for a job soon (I don't plan to go back to original job).

Now ds is a lot easier to look after, and I can whizz around getting the house work done. It's not difficult, and as for the nights, I just put myself to bed earlier and have learned to feed lying down. So it's not as if dh's actions are putting me out any more. But I just wanted to rant. Not particularly after advice as such; the only question I have really is, what the hell has happened to the loving, supportive dh I had for the first seven years of our marriage?

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krang · 05/07/2007 15:32

Well, according to Wikipedia I am 'a fictional supervillain who appears in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles universe.'

However, I am also one of the aliens in the Simpsons who comes up with my favourite ever political slogan: "We must go forwards, not backwards! Backwards, not forwards! And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards victory!"

And my sister also calls me this for no reason.

Oh dear, I have two tattoos. Now Amen won't want to shag me.

Back to the thread...let us know how it goes, Mossy.

TransfiguratingLily · 05/07/2007 17:50

Krang that is a brilliant political slogan, I love it

krang · 05/07/2007 19:10

The official Labour party slogan for the last election was 'Forward not back!'

Life imitating art...

Mossy · 06/07/2007 08:41

UnquietDad... Tenth Planet, that's a Hartnell one isn't it? I must confess I haven't seen it! Worth a watch?

Foxy, yeah she is. Hmm. Not sure about that really! Still might be nice to have a companion who is a tad older and not constantly moping over the Doctor?

Krang lol at "twirling towards victory".

Gosh I can't even have a thread to rant about dh on without somehow it turning geeky!

Last night dh made some funny comments; like, I had done lots of walking to various places yesterday with ds in his sling and I said, "my legs are killing me, I've walked almost non stop this afternoon!" to which dh said, "it's good to get some exercise, you're certainly not doing any sit ups or anything like that that you said you would".

I have decided not to rise to it for now, and just to ignore him.

A few other comments as well, I think he is trying to bait me, so I'm just letting it go over my head.

And then he said one nice comment too, on the back of a piss-take mind, can't remember what he said but I said, "actually I am a good Mum to ds" and he said, "yes, you are, you have lots of patience with him and you really look after him well."

Where did that come from?

Jekyll & Hyde, like I said!

Anyway I hear ds is no longer satisfied with his cotmobile, better go and rescue him!

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rookiemum · 06/07/2007 09:10

Mossy I have come to this one late, but you sound like you are coping really well with all of this,

I was angry with my DH when DS arrived, not because he was being half as much of a pr*ck as yours appears to being, but mainly because of the not wanting to do anything with DS. Posted on MN about it and finally the realisation came that many blokes don't actually want to spend much time with babies, they find them boring. Much better when they get a bit older now, DS is 15 months and DH is soo much better with him

So could you try the option of going out for a bit and leaving DH to it. Yes you are right he will probably stick Ds in the bouncy chair in front of the TV and worst case scenario you may come back to a dirty nappy, but the payback of having some time on your own might be worth it.

In those early days when I did this I would go to the shops, buy some nice accessories and a couple of clothes items in a bigger size than pre pregnancy because realistically your body won't get back to its pre pregnancy size so you might as welll get some nice clothes that fit. You could go to cheap shops so it needn't be expensive. I found this really boosted my self esteem.

I know its only a superficial thing and doesn't address the underlying issues but it might help you feel a bit better about yourself.

krang · 06/07/2007 09:11

But geeks are brilliant. I am one myself. And I married one. Our respective Blood Elves will be battling the Alliance in Azeroth tonight...

Well done for not rising to the bait. I get the impression at the moment that your DH is a bit confused. Good. Perhaps your lack of response is really making him think a bit about what he's saying.

And well done for saying what a good mum you are. I think we are all brilliant mums and we should spend a lot more time telling ourselves and other people how brilliant we are and less time worrying about our weight.

rookiemum · 06/07/2007 09:11

Sorry I meant to say that your body won't get back to its pre pregnancy size for a while, I didn't mean to imply it never would !

Anniegetyourgun · 06/07/2007 13:52

Krang! You're Horde, good for you. What realm?

krang · 06/07/2007 14:28

Sporeggar. Me and DH are well into our RP! How about you?

Which I reckon makes me the geekiest person on this site. Not only do I play an elf, I also insist on talking like an elf.

Mossy · 06/07/2007 14:54

RP? What's that?

I play AD&D (second edition) but in rl and not online. My dh is also a bit of a geek, but not as geeky as me, sadly.

Rookiemum have started expressing to build up a bank, so that at some point I can leave dh with him for the evening / night! Then he will see just how difficult it can be and maybe start to show me some respect.

Yes, I am just in my pre-pregnancy clothes, but have a huge roll of fat around the stomach which I don't think anything is going to shift. But to be quite frank, I'm not too arsed at the moment and dh? I'm passed caring tbh.

Yes I hope that just not rising to him will make him realise he's being a prick.

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foxcub · 06/07/2007 18:53

Mossy LOL at your relationship thread turning into a geeks convention!!!

Big Hugs from me anyway

foxcub · 06/07/2007 18:54

Re Catherine tate - wasn't I just saying on the Dr Who thread that it was time he had a Ginger Companion again?

...and my wish came true!!

Anniegetyourgun · 06/07/2007 20:25

Sorry for late reply, Krang (can only MN in lunchtimes and when I get home). I'm on Ravenholdt - RPPvP - so I get killed a lot (I'm pretty hopeless at pvp). Confess I'm not a great roleplayer but I try not to spoil anyone else's, and you tend to meet a nicer breed of player on RP servers.

Haven't forgotten you, Mossy! My theory is pretty similar to yours, that your DH has a sort of "essence of wifeness" image that you aren't currently measuring up to because unfortunately you're a real human being and furthermore this is the 21st century (something which few men of my acquaintance seem to have quite grasped). In his eyes you've metamorphosed into "A Mum", and there's only one way mums should be. What's wrong with you that you don't look like Nanette Newman and float around smiling with the baby under one arm, pushing the vacuum cleaner with the other?Wonder if counselling can help him get past that. It's not a leaving situation, it's a getting through his thick skull situation IMO.

I'm a recent convert to the advantages of ADs, but it sounds like you absolutely should not be taking them because you were in fact not clinically depressed at all. I suggest another word with the GP and a graceful withdrawal from medication.

spongecake · 06/07/2007 22:23

mossy, just a quick one- but totally amazed that your dp mentioned your lack of exercise etc. what, is he some kind of adonis/ male supermodel? i think i would be temted to snap that i was bf and what was his excuse for eating all the pies? apologies if he IS adonis

good luck this w/e, fingers crossed for you and your baby (and your dp)

UnquietDad · 06/07/2007 22:31

foxcub - "you mean STRAWBERRY BLONDE"!

TransfiguratingLily · 06/07/2007 22:54

lol at 'essence of wifeness'

thelady · 06/07/2007 23:07

DH and I are reading a book together in preparation for our first. On the recommendation of a few friends who've been through it all....

It's "Baby-proofing your marriage" ISBN 978-0-00-724363-1

amazon link

I really hope you get this sorted!

loubes28 · 06/07/2007 23:29

Your husband sounds like a jealous bully.I have had many similar problems in my marriage(15 yrs 2 children).I completely ignore any adverse comments because I know he is just jealous and says these things to belittle me and make himself feel better.Thinking of something pleasant/funny helps.If you ignore it he is less likely to do it and it wont cause an argument.Seeing it as a fault in him might make you feel better.Hope you do.
Cutting down the arguments really helps and is less draining
As your children get older he will want to get more involved.

divastrop · 07/07/2007 17:17

just caught up with your thread after being away.

i am concerned about the weight-loss comments,imo your oh should only ever be concerned about your size if you are morbidly obese and he's afraid you will get ill.it took me 3 years to get back to my pre-preg size after dd1,but that was only after i'd dumped xp and no longer had to listen to his depressing comments about how disgustingly fat i was.
anyway,if he really wanted you to do some excersise then he'd be putting all his effort into looking after the baby to make sure you are well rested,then seducing you with a romantic meal and lots of tlc and telling you how wonderful you are.

i lost all my dd2 pregnancy weight pretty quickly with nightly 'workouts'

wherever i go i am surrounded by geeks.i myself would have been a 'band geek' when i was at school.

kittywits · 08/07/2007 07:16

Mossy, what's he up to now then ?

Mossy · 08/07/2007 12:36

Dh gone out to play squash with his mate, ds finally, finally! asleep, so here I am.

I'm really not sure what I've done.

Last night I had it out with him. I tried very hard to be calm and collected but ended up crying. But I did tell him exactly how I felt about those first six weeks.

I told him how I'd felt a complete lack of support, how his snide comments about me being "off work" and how when I went to a Mums and Babies group I was a "lady who lunches" for which he was paying, and so on, had hurt me, how his thing about the weight loss was an incredibly nasty thing to do when I had severe baby-blues and I even said, probably ott I know, but I told him that I felt that if I did have pnd, it was partly due to him.

He countered that he didn't think he'd been that bad at all in the first weeks, that in fact I'd been a nightmare to live with and he'd put up with me, etc. etc. He also said that even though I was being a nightmare he still found something positive to say about me (the comment about being a good Mum the other day) and said I didn't say anything positive about him. Was that, he asked, because I couldn't think of anything positive?

And I said yes it was.

But last night we did seem to end on a positive note, I said that if we wanted to get our relationship back on track we really should not be sleeping in separate beds any more, at least not at weekend. After a lot of resistance from him I talked him into coming into the "big bed" with me; soon as ds woke for his first night feed, he was off.

And this morning he's been talking about how hurt he feels, how if I hate him that much we shouldn't be together, etc. etc.

So I'm not sure what I've done, but, and I know this is going to sound really horrible, but you know I'm glad I hurt him in a way, because maybe he finally knows that not everyone thinks he is Mr. Perfect.

I don't know.

(And to top it all off, Jekyll wasn't on last night; I think 'cos of Live Earth!)

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divastrop · 08/07/2007 13:33

(((((hugs)))))

i dont know what to say really.when your dh says you have been a nightmare to live with,do you feel theres any truth in that(eg i know i have been a pita to dp alot with my paranoia and constantly questioning him about the same things,but i am aware of it and that its part of the pnd)or is he just saying it cos he's been a twat and he's trying to make himself feel better by blaming you?

why doesnt he want to sleep in the bed with you,i dont understand?most men dont wake up when babies cry anyway.

how is he with you during the day,do you have cuddles etc?i know some men may feel uncomfortable making love when the baby is in the room,but if hes not showing you any affection whatsoever thats out of order.

better go have screaming windy baby on my lap

Rantmum · 08/07/2007 14:15

Your dh is behaving like a spoiled teenager IMO.

I think that the idea of going to counselling is a good one if you can get him to go.

Alternatively, maybe you need to plan to leave him with his baby for a day (on wkend) - you go off and do something fun for you. Express milk in advance and have a mobile telephone on hand. Let dh discover how tough being alone with a baby for 1 day is!

I can't offer any advice, but I do know from personal experience that this is not "NORMAL" male behaviour - some men understand how vulnerable and exhausting being a new mother is, so there is no excuse for this behaviour. Of course it is hard to be a father for the first time too, but it is too much to expect a woman to be sympathetic about that, after the trauma of childbirth etc, if her partner does not extend some understanding first. This is about him learning to be a man rather than a boy and it does sound like he is having some trouble with that.

IMO there are times in EVERY relationship where one or other of the couple has to accept that he/she is going to have to take on increased responsibilities of one sort or the other; right now you have to do all of the childcare and he is having to do more housework as well as paid work. That is tough for both of you, but playing a blame game helps no-one and can destabilise a relationship when it is already a bit vulnerable due to all the changes a new baby brings.

Sorry, just thinking as I type, probably not very helpful, but I am thinking of you. And congratulations on the birth of ds!

suezee · 08/07/2007 17:34

i really think that secretly your dh has issues of being replaced by the ds, cos lets face it men do not emotionally mature past the age of 10.And the only way they know how to get your feelings is to act like the bully in the schoolyard.

Judy1234 · 08/07/2007 18:05

He sounds very difficult.
What about this plan - you find a well paid full time job so that evens out the inequalities and you feeling burdened with all the domestic things; you have the baby sleep in the spare room and move back in with him and have more sex but get up when it cries.