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He's broke - does it matter?

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123Jess · 14/01/2019 01:47

I've been dating my boyfriend for nearly 2 years. We're very happy in most respects - we get along great, he's always a great emotional support to me and we generally have similar values etc. However, over time it's become clear just how broke he is. It never bothered me that he wasn't wealthy, but now that I want to start building a family, and it's become clear just how broke he is, it's made me think that I'm likely to be breadwinner + caretaker and that scares me a bit.

To further expand, I'm 36 (almost 37 - eek) and he's 35. I had a fairly long corporate career before moving to more a balanced job. I switched because I worked crazy hours and wanted to prioritise meeting someone and starting a family. My previous income allowed me to buy my own apartment and to generally not worry extensively about money. I have also financially supported my parents for many years.

My boyfriend is currently studying for a PhD (he still has 2 years to go), and following that he will likely become a postdoc which is a very low paid role.

I love him and don't want to delay starting a family given our ages. But then if I'm lucky enough to get pregnant and be looking after a baby, I won't be earning much either as my current job is much lower paid than my old job and the maternity benefits are also not great.

I also recently discovered my boyfriend is not only broke but that he also has a lot of debts. He seemed quite calm about that, whereas it worried me. Don't get me wrong, I've been in debt in the past too, but I've worked hard to pay it off and to save. Right now his earnings are zero so the debt is getting bigger.

The other part that annoys me is that he is sometimes critical of my past corporate career (I'd say this is the only thing he criticises me for). He thinks I only did it for the money (which is partly true) and that people who only care about money are shallow (he's never said I'm shallow but he's generally scathing about those in the corporate world and how messed up capitalist society is).

I come from a very low income, working class background so it's true that I thought I needed to work hard and get a good job to earn money (partly to help out my parents who suffer from ill health). It's almost a point of pride for him not to care about money and to be committed to having a job that's more of a vocation, I guess.

But then a vocation doesn't necessarily pay the bills. I've always wanted a big family (I am an only child). My boyfriend comes from a family of 6 children. We'd always talked about having a big family but when we talked about it again last week he said that each child is like a second mortgage and we wouldn't be able to afford it.

Overall, I'm just feeling like a bit of an idiot. I worked so hard in my younger years, and now I feel like I'm getting older and I'm desperate to start a family. It's all I've ever wanted and I feel like I wasted my 20s and early 30s working. But now I'm back to worrying about money again. Many of my friends are able not to work, as their husbands/partners earn enough to keep them and they are happy not working. I'm not saying that I don't want to work per se but the one thing I'm certain that I do want is a family and this feels like another big obstacle, despite how hard I've worked to amass my own savings.

I've been generally so happy in this relationship (we've had a few ups and downs but doesn't everyone) and was really feeling ready to take the next step towards family. But now I'm starting to have doubts and fear.

Sorry for the long post xx

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Ruddygreattiger2016 · 15/01/2019 20:21

A lot of posters on here are breathing a huge sigh of relief for you op, you have been amazing. Go and get that exciting new life!FlowersWineCake

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 15/01/2019 21:09

Wow,OP that took balls. Take time out to reflect and recover peacefully Flowers

OhTheRoses · 15/01/2019 21:16

Ah. Well done op. I gave up men 30 years ago after ditching a good but wrong 'un. My hopes of a thatched cottage and cats were dashed soon after.

Go well. Live well. Make a life that's about you and for you. When you accept you and how important you are a man may come along. If not you have all that you need, excluding the stress of a dysfunctional relationship.

another20 · 15/01/2019 21:48

Wow Jess - that shows some focus and determination - well done. You have done the best thing, even though it will be tough for a few weeks - but keep positive - you could have decades of bleak heartache if you had children with him. Now you have the opportunity to have the stable, fulfilling, wonderful motherhood that you so deserve. X

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 15/01/2019 21:52

Star Star Star

NameWithChange · 15/01/2019 22:14

🎉

NameWithChange · 15/01/2019 22:15

Sorry, didn't meant to be facetious - genuinely pleased the mist has cleared and you have put your needs first for now.

Wotev · 16/01/2019 04:36

I have never been pleased to see a breakup of a relationship on MN. But I'm pleased for you. Genuinely.

justilou1 · 16/01/2019 05:26

You’ve got guts, kiddo! I think you needed to hear what you already knew anyway. While I think in the long run, it would be easier to raise a kid on your own than to raise a kid and a man-child, I bet things work out in the most amazing ways for you.

Oblomov19 · 16/01/2019 05:38

Well done OP. You did the right thing. Thanks

PlumpSyrianHamster · 16/01/2019 08:23

Well done, Jess. I hope you get your child. Don't wait for him to turn it around. Get cracking on going it alone.

Mix56 · 16/01/2019 08:23

You did the right thing, it will hurt however

friskybivalves · 16/01/2019 09:04

Delurking to say well done too. If you look back at your thread title, OP, it asks: 'He's broke - does it matter?' And everything you have explored since posing that question suggests that his financial status was only the start of the issues with your relationship. Simply, he is not, as my DH would say, a keeper!

ravenmum · 16/01/2019 10:08

Sounds like you've approached this in a really mature manner. And what he said sounds more promising for his prospects, too, if he really does get focused.

losingfaith · 16/01/2019 21:45

"He always says he can live on a very low income" given he is in debt that statement is a fantasy.

I'm in a corporate job. I earn a decent wage. Do I love it? No I'd love to do something else but it pays my bills and enables me to save / fund my life.

A close relative overlooked this situation and it really. And back to bite her. They eventually split up as he didn't step up so the worry was always on her shoulders and she was always paying for everything.

If you're worried about fertility rather than proceed into something you're not sure about, perhaps look at freezing your eggs.

losingfaith · 16/01/2019 22:06

Sorry my pages didn't update and it looked like it reached the end of the thread...

Hope you're ok op.

lilybetsy · 17/01/2019 12:27

well done ! fantastic. I really hope it works out well for you OP x

MistressDeeCee · 17/01/2019 12:44

Broke men never want a broke woman though, do they.

I'd run a mile. Financial destitution is no joke when you're a parent and I would not allow him to inflict that on me and future generations. Worse still that you'll be starting out with his debts and shit credit rating around your neck. Raising children is not cheap.

Oh and if he's that scathing of your former corporate career, sack him off so he can find a non-corporate partner in his own income bracket.

Hell would freeze over before he did that tho...

There's a whole world and life out there. You could actively get up and make a positive effort to meet somebody decent and be a mum in the next 2-3 years.

The fact he's pursuing a PhD doesn't make your man any less of a cocklodger.

hellsbellsmelons · 17/01/2019 13:06

Well done OP.
A bit of time for YOU now.
Have a nice weekend with your friends and stop with the guilt.
You can't save these people.
Focus on you and your next steps.
My best friend had her donor baby a few years ago.
Best thing she ever did.
She did it in the UK.

I know another couple who went to Denmark.
You get 3 attempts over there for the same money as 1 attempt here in the UK.
So look into it properly.

But.... as you say. Anything could happen over the next months / year.

CallMeSirShotsFired · 17/01/2019 14:57

MistressDeeCee Broke men never want a broke woman though, do they.

very astute comment.

Oliversmumsarmy · 17/01/2019 17:48

*Or he could get you pregnant and apply for indefinite leave to remain.

You can't do that just because you got someone pregnant. You have to be married and even then there's an initial spouse visa. There are also some pretty stringent requirements and the visa is costly*

Not necessarily. There are ways round this.

Without going into detail as it would be too outing but I have a friend who ended up in exactly this situation and without any proof we can only suspect what happened to her might not have been an accident.

All the rules and regulations go out of the window if one party becomes disabled

EngagedAgain · 18/01/2019 21:26

Some people might not think money is important especially when younger, but when you're older, and suddenly realise you got yourself into a jam, and you're tired of the struggle it's not much fun. Money can't buy health, or happiness but it does make life easier and brings more choices.

Oliversmumsarmy · 18/01/2019 21:34

It doesn't matter if someone doesn't have money if they are hard working and have ambition.

This guy sounded like he was broke lazy and couldn't be arsed

aroundtheblock · 30/05/2019 14:05

I joined mumsnet to reply to your dilemma because I've been in exactly the same boat. You need to leave him and you will find a new man even if you think you're running out of time. How dare I be so direct, i know! I work as a career coach and I see women in financial agony because they married the wrong man. A man who cannot provide when you have several children will drive you insane. Money is very important, its essential to raise a family and offer children the things you want to. You have been wise, you worked hard in your 20s and early 30s to get on the housing ladder and get savings, you are responsible, you support your parents. You will be dragged down by this man who sneers at money. I know he's intelligent and probably going to do a post-doc in something worthwhile and he may get promoted etc but the academic field is a nightmare and you need to have got your Phd in your twenties to get a professorship. You want lots of kids, you need someone who can earn decent cash when you're minding the sprogs. It's going to be tough, but you have to leave him now.

Jingers5 · 30/05/2019 14:16

Your boyfriend is like adding another child to the mix. You would have to support your future children and him. Sounds like this is not the right guy for you longterm. There are better men out there who will meet your needs.