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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 02/01/2019 13:53

OP, I think this has been bubbling under the surface for a bit and even for you, there are so many unknowns. Nobody here knows your husband, only you do, we're responding to your statements.

It may well be that your husband married you because you were pregnant, it may be that he wouldn't have married you otherwise. But it may equally be that he would have married you regardless. Pregnancy is no reason for marriage these days when a couple doesn't want to marry.

Your update that she wanted children and that's why her marriage broke up doesn't fill me with confidence though that he wouldn't have another child with her. I wouldn't rule it out. He's acting so poorly that his judgement is completely skewed.

What is very clear though is that your husband feels quite comfortable with this relationship that he has with his ex. He responds to messages on FB, makes comments and it seems they have a whole dialogue that you're not part of. That's really not ok.

The comments that he's made about this woman are also very disrespectful to you. He shouldn't be making them in the first place because he married. As PP have said, she isn't really your issue because if he was a decent man, he wouldn't be engaging. He is engaging - and she's responding. She wouldn't be if he didn't make these overtures to her.

I don't care about your husband or what happens to him. He is going to do what he wants to do; we all do to some extent. He sounds very selfish to me. Anyway, the important person here is you. Your daughter will be fine regardless but that's only if you are fine. That's what you have to do - protect yourself so that you will be fine regardless. Whether your marriage works out or not, gain independence from your husband, both emotional and financial. When you are not dependent on somebody, you immediately become more confident (and attractive to them).

As your husband has seemingly encouraged you to do this, then I would take him at his word and start now - and prepare your ground to cover all eventualities. You will be fine.

Your husband though is not loving or kind or any kind of decent He is a twat and you deserve so much better.

baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 13:55

I'm sorry if people think I'm a doormat or a pushover or have no self respect or whatever but believe me you can't possibly think I'm as stupid as I think I am right now

*and this is what I was concerned about- so many posters completely blowing things out of proportion till you have an OP that feels completely deflated and even worse than she did when originally posting!

@worried, I think you need a conversation with the hubby. I personally don't think you are any of those things at all, and im sorry that you have had any insecurities blown out of the water. I also personally think you have a lovely relationship with just this thing causing a bit of a hiccup. I also think that with conversations and boundary settings, the hiccup can be resolved and you can enjoy your family.

Contrary to some posters thinking, most husbands actually stick with their wives cos of love, not just child support and hassle. Just talk to him about how hes making you feel

Santaclarita · 02/01/2019 13:55

You aren't stupid at all. Your husband and this woman are. He's mainly to blame though, he should never have made the bbje comment. But she also if she had any respect shouldn't have replied. Anyone who saw that will think badly of them both.

Beaverhausen · 02/01/2019 13:56

Stop being so passive OP your dh is planning on taking things further with a woman who has no qualms in accommodating him.

I would meet up with her and set the record straight and tell her how pathetic she.looks going after a married man.

I would also go to a solicitor get all the information you need ie how much he stands to lose etc and make him choose his family or a ghost from the past.

ChristmasRaven · 02/01/2019 13:57

OP, you are not stupid. Not at all. Of course you want to trust your husband. One thing you do know is that nothing has happened physically between them at this point. That's what always makes these situations so hard. Emotional cheating is a very grey area. I really do feel for you. Ultimately you can't control what he does, but you can control what you do. So think about you right now. Work on you to put yourself in the best possible position to be able to deal with anything that happens. Build up your own inner strength. This could be an infatuation that comes to nothing. But if you feel stronger you may feel more able to express if you are unhappy with the situation.

baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 14:01

OP, you are not stupid. Not at all. Of course you want to trust your husband. One thing you do know is that nothing has happened physically between them at this point. That's what always makes these situations so hard. Emotional cheating is a very grey area. I really do feel for you. Ultimately you can't control what he does, but you can control what you do. So think about you right now. Work on you to put yourself in the best possible position to be able to deal with anything that happens. Build up your own inner strength. This could be an infatuation that comes to nothing. But if you feel stronger you may feel more able to express if you are unhappy with the situation.

100% agree with this

SandyY2K · 02/01/2019 14:02

OP based on your updates...I really think you'll feel better about yourself if you get out more.

Your interactions shouldn't be limited to your DH and DD. Step outside of your comfort zone.. take an evening class ... find a hobby. These things broaden your horizons and make you more interesting.

Consider doing some volunteering as a start. I used to help with reading at my DCs primary school years ago.

Or you'll find online hobby groups for almost anything you can think of.

There's so much out there.

The comment he made about keeping your brain active is worth thinking about.

Kids grow up quicky. Your DD will become a teenager soon and start going out with her friends.

Your DH has work and he travels a bit with it. Don't get left behind.

Do something for you. You'll be surprised how it gets noticed.

MrsKrampus · 02/01/2019 14:06

This makes me so angry for you OP. No one is obliged to stay in a marriage but if he wants to go elsewhere then he should have the fucking decency to leave the marriage first! He has behaved appalling. How dare he make you question if your appearance is good enough for him?

Take back the power. Tell him you know what BBJE means, you saw the message on the iPad screen and you're not prepared to put up with it. You deserve someone who is committed to you and quite frankly he has failed to you and your DD. Is this how he wants her to see a man treat his wife? Does he want her to think that's ok?

Ugh! So, so angry for you OP. You deserve a million times more. Kick his disrespectful arse out.

HairBnB · 02/01/2019 14:07

@baileys6904, @worried

I do agree with Baileys here, and as I said in a post much earlier, I think you need to tell DH how his communication with the woman is making you feel. Give him the chance to see it's hurting you and to make amends to you, which really has to be the cessation of all private messaging and plans to meet at the very very least, until your trust is restored, and then much greater respect of your feelings and 100% transparency of any contact with her (or any other woman tbh). If he refuses to acknowledge that he has hurt you, and refuses to change his behaviour, then I do think you're into a different ball game and you need to decide whether you can live being constantly suspicious.

I thought I could live with this "for the sake of DCs" , but in the end I couldn't and I had a breakdown, and then a divorce. DCs would have been better off if I had taken decisive action sooner, and not had the breakdown. But that was by circumstance, not yours.

I would echo that you have done nothing wrong here, you are not stupid, and that you deserve the respect of your DH.

I hope you find a way through this OP

SandyY2K · 02/01/2019 14:10

I would meet up with her and set the record straight and tell her how pathetic she.looks going after a married man

Really? This is poor advice IMO.

Firstly from what I glean.. the OP would not do this. It's not her personality.

Secondly...her DH would be furious.

Thirdly..it isn't the Ex doing the chasing here.

Finally... if she was after him and was confronted like this.... it could make things move a lot quicker.

Women can be competitive like this and the Ex just needs to click and she'll have him in bed.

The risk could be the Ex and DH against the OP... as the crazy jealous wife.

No marriage should hinge on warning off the OW/OM

Bluntness100 · 02/01/2019 14:11

This is just awful.

Op, I'm sorry about the replies on here, I'd urge you to either hide this or request it is deleted due to the damage it will be causing you.

Some posters are relishing hurting you. They are baying for you to end your marriage and attempting to devastate you.

Your marriage is otherwise good. He is flirting with this woman, but nothing has happened between them, there is no indication he wishes to leave you. No indication she wishes to get with him again, and in fact I'm fairly sure if either of them wished this they have had a great many years to make it happen.

Yes the bj joke was not acceptable, if indeed that's what it was, and I suspect it was, but I'm guessing it was an in joke between them at the time. It's highly likely there is an alternate explanation ..for example it could have been a joke between them because it was anything but ie they were both drunk, she puked, whatever, And they then referred to it as the best ever as a joke. No one on here knows.

So either hide this or request a deletion, because some posters won't rest until you confirm you're ending your marriage, splitting your family and are laying crying in a corner.

Good luck 💐

category12 · 02/01/2019 14:12

Baileys, It's not the case I am advocating the OP leaves on the basis of what's occurred, but she needs to look at the realities - he's got this inappropriate contact with another woman going on. I think you do her a disservice by minimising this - she already has him lying to her and turning it into her being jealous, instead of acknowledging he's crossing lines. It's good for someone to have boundaries and say "this isn't OK" and to expect that to be respected by their partner.

NK1cf53daaX127805d4fd5 · 02/01/2019 14:14

He is wooing her and when they meet up it will turn into a physical affair. I'm so sorry but I think you need to get your ducks in a row

ShartOfGold · 02/01/2019 14:15

OP, I wasn't referring to you when I said 'why are women such pushovers?'

That was more of a 'why should women be prepared to take shit when a man wouldn't' type statement.

I do not think you're a pushover at all.

DyingMachine · 02/01/2019 14:16

I think you're stronger than you give yourself credit for - it's just that you want/need your husband more than he wants you. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but a man who is in love with and committed to his wife would not behave in this way.

Unfortunately you are in a position where you rely on him financially and this is probably skewing your perception somewhat. Ask yourself, if you were equals in terms of finances, would you still feel the same way or would you address this situation with the ferocity that it deserves?

You need to be strong, not passive. Of course he will minimise everything and somehow turn you into the guilty party but the BBJE comment was so out of line. You do not dredge up old details like that unless you have an ulterior motive which I am convinced he does.

mikado1 · 02/01/2019 14:21

This is really upsetting for you OP. Tbh 'building up her confidence' is not his job, as her ex but your DH, that's what he's admitted to and in this context that's too much imo, and I'm all for having good friends of the opposite sex. Way too much contact, fact, inappropriate comments, fact, and a plan to meet, fact. Too much. He's either all in or all out.

baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 14:22

@sandy2k, again completely agree with this. Volunteering definitely a great idea- it really gives you a buzz to notice the difference you're making, more internal 'value' and different things to think and talk about.

@hairbnb, im so sorry that you had to go through this, and I hope youre feeling valued and happier now. Your husband most definitely didn't deserve you, and I hope you have come out happier and healthier on the other side

I too had a completely soul destroying relationship. not sure whether I found the strength or just lost the will but ultimately ended the relationship. After a few years single, and learning more about how bloody strong and amazing I can be when I need to be (lol), I have finally landed myself in a strong, loving, respectful relationship and do feel this is my happy ever after. My God, I went through enough to get here mind, and my OH can make stupid comments without thinking it through (maybes not en par to BBJE but still bad enough) and only when I walk him through what I feel and why, does he absolutely feel like an arse, apologise and , more importantly, change his behaviour.

I don't expect him to be perfect, I expect him to realise he's not and correct himself when needed. I think thats the least every woman deserves

ShesABelter · 02/01/2019 14:22

I'd go absolutely scripto about the bbje. On an open page infront of everyone is so disrespectful to you. To be perfectly honest I never even think about my past lovers sexual performance but he's obviously still got that fixated in his mind and that's concerning. I'd be saying to him how about we invite x round for dinner so I can get to know her since you are conversing so much, perhaps she can even give me tips on how to perform the bbje since you can't get it out your head clearly all these years later. Fucking arsehole. I honestly would consider this an emotional affair and can only see if heading one way sadly.

auntsarent · 02/01/2019 14:22

I would hire a private investigator. It would give you all the information to make a decision with. I’d be worried about being blamed for splitting up my family over what he could argue is simply jealousy of s friendship. I’d wait until I had proof either way

thewreckofthehesperus · 02/01/2019 14:22

So she’s the great big elephant in the room, the only way around this is to call him out on it.
Would he be happy with you having this level of contact with another man, especially an ex?
How about openly telling this man on social media in front of his friends and family that he was the best sex you’d ever had (can’t believe you’re not more pissed off about this, the level of dis-respect is mind boggling)
The fact he’s keeping it secret and changing passcodes shows he knows he’s doing wrong and that he knew you wouldn’t be happy but he’s continuing to do it anyway. Think of the upset this has caused you and ask would you have ever put him in this position. I bet the answer is no because if you love someone and are in a relationship with them then they are supposed to be your first priority.
Exchanging messages telling her how gorgeous she is and reminiscing about sex is dangerous territory, He’s her rock? She needs to go find her own because she might be his ‘friend’ but she’s no friend to you and no friend to your relationship.
I’m a great believer in trust your gut, if it feels off then it probably is. Tell him he needs to prioritise and pull back completely, if he refuses then you have your answer.
As hard as that is one person alone can’t save a relationship, trust me I’ve been there and its soul destroying. You deserve someone who loves and values you for you.

category12 · 02/01/2019 14:25

OP, I think you should use this as motivation to get back into work or study, it sounds like you need a boost to your self-confidence whatever else is going on.

areyoubeingserviced · 02/01/2019 14:26

Op, just wanted to say something about this woman wanting children
Mark my words, if your dh and this woman embark on a relationship, he would be willing to have another child
My friend’s ex dh always claimed that he didn’t want children. Twelve years later he left her and now has two kids with the OW

Aaarrrggghh · 02/01/2019 14:27

@Bluntness100
Top advice!

Hellozzz · 02/01/2019 14:27

Look it doesn't mean your marriage is over, I hate the term an "emotional affair"; he hasn't slept with her, he hasn't been unfaithful as in had sex with each other.

But I think you need to sit him down and talk to him and say that you feel this relationship is coming between you and if it gets out of hand or he can't handle it - there is a chance your family might implode.

Marriages have ups and downs, sometimes you need to remind him what he has today.

If he says it is nothing and you are being unreasonable, then ask him to invite her round and let her see the family unit in action. Remind him of the family unit.

You also need to decide what you want.
MN is very black and white sometimes, and life isn't really like that.
This is not acceptable and either he nips it in the bud or he might lose his family.

baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 14:32

@category12 are you actually reading anything im posting, or just skimming through. I have repeatedly emphasised the need for her to talk to him about how it has made her feel, rather than the preemptive LTB posts.

And with respect, its not inappropriate contact. The contact for the most part has been entirely appropriate. Its a stupid dickhead comment which even so could have been blown out of proportion on here and very little else.

Also, I haven't seen where he lied. The passcode changed, yes thats wrong, not a lie. The BBJE meaning was dismissed, not lied.

Again, to clarify, The Op needs to talk to her husband about how he is making her feel. He may just have been ridiculously thoughtless rather than anything more sinister

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