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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

OP posts:
DBML · 02/01/2019 13:10

I’m sorry op. Your husband is acting like a teenager in love and this woman is giving him the green light. He’s not thinking of you and it doesn’t sound as if he’s thinking about your little girl either.

You need an open and candid talk with him. Tell him you know what he’s doing. You believe you know how he’s feeling. You need him to be honest and upfront. Tell him everyone knows what BBJE means and how humiliating it is for you, to have your husband say that to another woman publicly on FB.
I just told my husband about that and his reponse “what a dick”.
To avoid an affair, your DH should cut contact so that that temptation isn’t there anymore. It doesn’t sound like he would do this though and is stuck in his fantasy world, where his ex is as you say ‘the one that got away’ rather than just an ex.
I wish you all the best op. The only thing you can do is talk to him.

baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 13:13

"cheers, come and get it big boy" No way would she have said anything as blatant on her Facebook page, come on. Keeping on the private messaging after that, using him as a shoulder to cry on and the level of contact they're having is inappropriate.

Yes but she could have said it in Private message too. She didn't. They talk about day to day stuff. I would assume that would also mean discussing his wife and daughter. Hardly verbal foreplay

It's all very well saying the OP has the marriage and memories etc with him, but she's also always felt the shadow of his previous relationship with this woman throughout.

yes but thats not defined the relationship, or been due to any wrong or dubious behaviour by the husband. Ask anyone who is in a relationship with a divorcee or widower or heck, anyone with a past. Everyone feels a bit of a shadow. We could all get hung up on who the first kiss with, the first sex, the first child, etc etc. I have a few exes on my facebook. I still speak to some. They have liked pictures, chatted, complimented etc. One I was engaged to for quite some time, and we had a very amicable break up. Does my OH have anything to worry about? Does he heck.

Friendlyoldwasp · 02/01/2019 13:14

Never be someone's second best
^this

HairBnB · 02/01/2019 13:16

Fair point @baileys6904, but would you have lied to your OH if he had asked you about your exes on FB? Would you have changed your password on your ipad? If you had, would you OH have had anything to worry about then?

simplepimple · 02/01/2019 13:17

The trouble is he is likely to have idealised the relationships they did have in the past and they haven't had to deal with the negative side of a committed relationship over some years.

Op you've already compromised so much to maintain your relationships with him - perhaps this is actually a doorway to a better future for you especially as you'd like more children - there will be someone out there better suited to you.

Fairenuff · 02/01/2019 13:17

Imagine a group of men talking about this.

Hey guys, I'm pissed off. My wife is back in touch with someone she used to shag and she just told him in front of me and all our friends he was the best sex she ever had. They've started talking about meeting up soon. What should I do?

Ah chill, mate. Why don't you invite him round to dinner and try to make friends with him.

ShartOfGold · 02/01/2019 13:18

@Fairenuff Very good point!! Why are women such pushovers?

Nanny0gg · 02/01/2019 13:23

@Fairenuff

Exactly.

Can't believe the posters suggesting she has her round for dinner!

WTAF?

baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 13:28

Yes, he said a dickhead comment about a blow job, and that MAYBE needs addressing, but its a past relationship.

It only ‘maybe’ needs addressing? What on Earth do you expect from your intimate partners if this is something that only needs addressing?

Commitment and mutual trust. If either of them was upto something, this would not have been an open comment on a photo. It would have been a private message. It wasn't hidden at all, despite the OP being a fb friend and having full sight of what was posted

Not to mention the fact OP did address it and was LIED to.

No, she wasn't. She was told something different to what was decided on MN. There could be truth to both versions

Christ. It’s not a past relationship at all. It’s very much in the present. And it may we’ll dictate his future (or be his future from the way it’s going so far).

*apologies, to clarify. Its a past romantic relationship. How people are automatically assuming these two are going to be running of into the sunset with each other quite so easily, I don't know and I think its dangerous to the OP and her family.

The problem is, a lot of people that post on here by the name of the game, have had issues in their own relationship, through being cheated on, or treated poorly or whatever. And my heart does go out for anyone that has gone through this, and I admire and understand their willingness to help other people that they think maybe about to enter the same journey. Unfortunately there are less people that are in healthier relationships that post on here, so the ones that have had concerns but had them smoothed, or those that have had partners remain completely faithful despite temptation galore etc, are less likely to comment.

All I am trying to say is, based on what the OP has said so far, people are jumping massively to unfounded conclusions, and for 'LTB' advice already, is worrying

CatnissEverdene · 02/01/2019 13:30

What your DH is doing to you is cruel, really fucking cruel.

You don't treat people you love like this.

Flowers
VietnameseCrispyFish · 02/01/2019 13:32

So true, fairenuff. In fact I actually thought the person who suggested that was trolling, they weren’t acting in OP’s best interests and it’s awful to try mislead somebody into an even worse position. Inviting the other woman around for dinner is a sure fire way of taking what’s left of her self esteem and setting it alight. I can’t think of many things more degrading than a married woman inviting her husband’s ex over who he’s publically pursuing and who she (and every mutual friend) knows is his best sex ever to boot. Absolute shame on that poster for trying to suggest that’s a reasonable course of action. What do people get from coming on here and trying to beat someone in a shit position up even further?

Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 13:37

I've read all your replies, even if I can't take them all in. To whoever asked why I'm SAHM to a 10yo, going back to work is something I've had in mind for when DD goes to secondary but up until now we're comfortable without me bringing in a wage and DH has never put me under any pressure, although when we have talked about it he has said I'd probably enjoy getting back into work and using my brain a bit more.

I've never really felt disrespected, once we got over that blip when she told him she was getting married 7 or 8 years ago it did feel like he put her out of his head and been focused on me and DD. He tells me I look nice when we're dressed up to go out, says I put myself down too much and I'm more capable, more intelligent or whatever than I give myself credit for. He's tried to encourage me to make more friends here (we moved to our current place just before DD started primary) and have more of a social life of my own although I struggle with shyness and the school gate mums are all friendly enough but only on a superficial level so I don't really have many what I'd call proper friends close enough to go out with.

From what I pieced together from their messages, I think her marriage broke up because she wanted children and her ex-DH doesn;t. So I don't think my DH can be the answer to her prayers on that score if that's what she's looking for as he's always been clear he doesn't want any more. I don;t think he'd have had any and it's true, although it hurts to admit, that we probably wouldn't have got married if I hadn't gor pregnant. He has been a wonderful dad to DD though and I think once he got his head round what was happening and we agreed we'd get married, he has never given even the tiniest hint by words or actions that she wasn't very much wanted. I shoudl explain it's me who refers to her as "the one who got away", to be fair he never really talked about her apart fom when I found the cards and stuff from her when we first moved in together and I asked who she was and why they'd split up, and then when he had a moody and withdrawn spell which I finally got out of him was because she was getting married. He claimed at the time it was mostly because he knew of her fiance slightly through other mutual friends and thought he was an arse and worried she was getting into a bad situation.

I keep reading what you're all saying but it's not really sinking in. I wish I could feel angry but I just feel bewildered and as if I'm trying to hold onto a thought that keeps slipping away. I feel like I should talk to him about counselling but I'm scared of what I might hear if he does agree to go.

OP posts:
baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 13:37

@hairbnb Sorry, I hadn't seen where he had lied. No, I would never do that, and no I wouldn't have changed a passcode. That should also be in the conversation with the husband, but again, to me, isn't enough justification for the LTB posts on here.

Just to clarify, im not agreeing with everything the husband has done. I understand OP's concerns, but just disagree with the people automatically concluding hes going to leave both OP and her daughter for this other woman, where there is such little basis to say so. So many people are just saying to leave, without even any sort of conversation or talking. There has even been posts to say that its even too late for counselling and this poor woman is going to be left basically destitute and single. Im just trying to say the situation is no way near as dire as some people are painting it, and trying to keep a bit of perspective

ChristmasRaven · 02/01/2019 13:38

@baileys6904

Whilst I see what you are saying, what do you suggest OP does? His reactions so far haven't been great. When there was talk of him meeting up with this ex, all he could say to OP was "it probably won't happen but if it does...." Surely the "right" response from him should have been something along the lines of "if it makes you feel uncomfortable, then I won't meet up with her".

Why has he changed the passcode on his ipad? To stop OP snooping? Yes I guess so, but why is he worried about her snooping?

It's his words and actions following the whole facebook "incident" that people are picking up on. So no, I don't think it is just people jaded from their own experiences. There are genuine concerns in this situation.

category12 · 02/01/2019 13:39

Baileys, you're being disingenuous to suggest there's some innocent interpretation of BBJE. Biscuit

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 02/01/2019 13:40

The inviting the 'friend' for dinner in itself wouldn't be a bad idea IF this were a new relationship. But it isn't. OP herself is the 'new' relationship and it would be cringeworthy and completely inappropriate. Husband and 'friend' would be laughing at her up their sleeves.

Dinner invitations to OW-who-aren't-yet can be effective as meeting the wife humanises them, they may find they like them - and decide not to allow the banter with husband-in-waiting to progress any further. Or it can be a horrible mis-step with husband making unfavourable comparisons of his wife with OW-in-the-making.

I don't think the poster who suggested it was trolling, just that it was misplaced and poor advice.

ballsdeep · 02/01/2019 13:41

How absolutely disgusting and disrespectful. Even saying bbje on a private message is horrendous but on an open forum!! I'm flabbergasted. He has No respect for you and is so swept up by this woman they will soon be sleeping together. They are already having an emotional affair in plain sight on Facebook. I'd get some slef respect and demand he either stops talking to her or leaves

baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 13:42

OP, only you know your husband and your relationship; none of us have a clue.

Don't let people escalate any concerns that you may have to a point you don't recognise them anymore. You know how strong your relationship is, if you need any help or counselling, if you don't etc.

You seem to have open communication and mutual respect thats worked for the last 10 years, so if he hasn't allayed your fears yet, tell him and see what you can come up with.

I genuinely hope you have a happy outcome

ChristmasRaven · 02/01/2019 13:43

Sorry, x posted with the OP there.
OP, I very much hope it all works out for you and he doesn't have feelings for this woman. But I think you do need to talk to him. It's hard to confront the issue but burying it won't help either of you in the long run. I do think the advice of building up your own life is good advice, whatever the outcome of this situation.

Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 13:44

I'm sorry if people think I'm a doormat or a pushover or have no self respect or whatever but believe me you can't possibly think I'm as stupid as I think I am right now Sad

OP posts:
SandyY2K · 02/01/2019 13:45

^
Have the woman your ex was in love with and carries a torch for...who gave him the best oral sex that night over to dinner. Why?

The woman who he searched all her pics.. 'liked' them...commented...heart emojis and the rest over to your house... my word...that is just desperate.

You shouldn't have to befriend your husband's Ex to feel safe.

When your marriage hinges on rebuffs from another women... you're not in a good place.

I'd let him know that you know what the BBJE comment refers to...and say no more.

Get on with your life. Start looking to be financially independent... be someone other than a wife and a mother.

As much as splitting as a SAHM is ..it's not what the spouse who is earning really wants either.

It's them who have to part with marital assets that they earned.... it becomes a financial stress for them.

Child support and spousal support, are not something to look forward to paying. That's what keeps many men in marriages...ad well as the hassle and stress of divorce.

abbsisspartacus · 02/01/2019 13:45

Let me put this in perspective for you I have a one that got away he feels the same we don't communicate online as we know where it might lead and we respect our partners too much for that as time goes on it fades away if we were around each other and communicating online then lines could blur again so we don't online communication is a real bastard as it's so easy to throw something out there

shpoot · 02/01/2019 13:47

Start by talking to him. Tell him how heartbroken you are, try and really get that across to him. Tell him you don't want him to be in contact with her and that he has to delete the publicly humiliating BBJE comment immediately.

I would 100% ask her to leave him alone. It might be the kick up the arse they need. Tell him first that you are going to do this. She needs to get out of your life as he's obsessed

baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 13:47

@category12. No i'm not. I'm saying it can crop up in a completely different context with a completely innocent outcome.

And even at worst and it meant what everyone is saying, is that really enough to split up a 10 year relationship with a child, when there is no physical or emotional cheating? Yes IF it was meant as worst case scenario, disrespectful and hurtful. Enough to call it a day on an otherwise happy and supportive marriage? Id say not

Fairenuff · 02/01/2019 13:50

No-one thinks you are stupid.

Most of us would be totally aghast at the BBJE incident and only an instant and sincere apology with a promise to cut her off immediately would suffice.

Some posters would be prepared to let the incident go and accept that she is just a friend as he claims.

One or two don't have any concern about the incident at all and think you could all be friends.

None of that matters. All that matters is how you feel OP. Are you too afraid of losing him to bring this up with him again? Would you rather suffer in silence? Only you know the answer to this.