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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

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ButteryParsnips · 02/01/2019 12:05

I'd take the approach ClaireElizabeth laid out above. No more sitting around letting this go on. Nuclear it is.

SandyY2K · 02/01/2019 12:06

OP.. you described a comfortable marriage. It seems you're more into him than the other way round..or it being equal.

We married when I found out I was pregnant

I'm wondering if you'd have married otherwise. Doesn't sound like the baby was planned.

That could account for why he didn't want any more.

DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”.

He was open about this. You still decided to be with him in the full knowledge.

DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid.

Because she meant a lot to him and still does.

We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well

This is just another in the list of clues that she's who he wanted. He was married and had a child with you at this point... but he was upset she wasn't 'available' any more.

my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks

He's quite into her.
I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year

An emotional affair doesn't have to be sexual. They've rekindled their friendship and are getting close again.

but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken
He's got a keen interest in her life.

where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”
Says it all.

Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work.

What a coincidence.. not
let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that.

he's changed the passcode
Yep. So you can't see his messages any more.

an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter"

Speaks volumes.

There's nothing innocent about this.

INeedanInterestingUsername · 02/01/2019 12:08

We married when I found out I was pregnant.

Op, do you think DH would have married you if you hadn't become pregnant? The fact he didn't want further children with you. The fact he's never cut contact with this woman. The fact he was upset when she married. The fact he's 'excited' and meeting up with her now that's she's single again. The fact he/you refer to her as 'the one that got away'. The fact you still have mutual friends that post pictures of these two 'together' and there is 'reminiscing' of 'the good days' despite the fact he's married to you.

I think you've never felt comfortable with her because deep down you knew that he has always been and will probably always be in love with this woman.

We have a good relationship, we have regular sex, we have a nice life, nice house, good holidays.

None of this says he's 'in love' with you. In his mind he's 'being responsible' and providing his family with a good life. If I were you I would find a job and figure out how I will support myself. Get all of your paperwork in order.

I can't even get my head round the thought of leaving or letting him leave.

It may not be your choice. Sorry OP Sad

Lweji · 02/01/2019 12:08

Just to add that I agree with another pp who advised you get a job and your own life.

Even if he stays around, you have a 10 year old, and why would you want to be dependent on a man? Particularly one who carries a torch for someone else?

INeedanInterestingUsername · 02/01/2019 12:09

Crossed posted with SandyY2K

deepwatersolo · 02/01/2019 12:12

Well OP, to put things in perspective, no matter how eager DH would be to go down that route (and DD and your life together may prevent him from going there, if tooth comes to nail), it also depends on the woman. He may not be ‚the one who got away‘ for her.

Hannah1990x · 02/01/2019 12:18

OP this isn’t sounding good at all, he’s completely disrespecting you. As PP say I’d be firm with him and tell him it stops right now and see how he reacts.

SandyY2K · 02/01/2019 12:20

Right now, not one person on here knows what type this woman is. So people need to stop posting and saying the ops husband wishes to leave her and this woman wants to shag him

People can respond as they wish.

That's generally how a public forum works.

The old flame is not shutting down his flirting /inappropriate comments either.

I'm not saying it's her fault... but if a married Ex was behaving like that to me... I'd message him and say I really don't think the compliments, over liking and the BBJE comment are appropriate as you're married and it's disrespectful to your wife who can easily see everything.

If I was still keen on him and wanted him...I'd say I'm not getting involved with you while married. So focus on your wife and if you're not happy in the marriage do what you need to do.

That's what a decent woman would do.

Also..responding "naughty ...but thanks" ...with a kissing emoji doesn't make her look good either. She's lapping it up.

Even if I felt flattered about the BBJE comment... I would never respond so publicly on FB where his wife could see. That's so out of order.

SandyY2K · 02/01/2019 12:23

@INeedanInterestingUsername

Great minds.

baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 12:24

OP, please just take a breath and don't get carried away with a lot of the posts on here that have automatically shot to a worst case conclusion, doing 0 to 100 in one easy step.

This woman is in his past. A long time ago. Hes changed. Shes changed. Sheez, how many times have we all bumped into past infatuations, and within the space of a decent conversation, walked away asking ourselves what on earth we were thinking of.

You say hes complementing her on some pics, but the rest of the messages are about day to day things. Yes, he said a dickhead comment about a blow job, and that MAYBE needs addressing, but its a past relationship. You are his past, present and future. Just because shes single, so what? I presume your hubby has a married status on FB? To the poster that basically said, purely based on your OP, to get your ducks in a row cos hes gonna be shagging her within a year, blimey.

Has your Oh treated you badly? Do you have an otherwise good and loving relationship? Have you spoken to him and explained how you feel? And I mean really feel. Not just be pissed off about messages but explain that you feel threatened that theres unfinished business between them?

Bar the fact that hes in touch with a past relationship that happens to be single (and made a ridiculous half flirt- which she rebuffed), if your relationship is going fine, then please don't spoil it worrying. He married you before she married so had he been that wrapped up, he could have held out. Talk to him

rainbowstardrops · 02/01/2019 12:25

Well it certainly doesn't look good OP. Sorry.
It sounds like your husband still has feelings for her and whilst I doubt anything has happened yet, once she moves closer and he 'shows her around' I'd put my bottom dollar on the fact that he'll try to make something happen.
Whether that's right or way off the mark, you feel uncomfortable with this situation and your husband should respect and appreciate that.
If he doesn't then I think he's made his choices unfortunately.
I'd suggest talking to him. See what his reaction and response is.
Good luck

shpoot · 02/01/2019 12:26

Don't know if anyone has suggested asking her to back off but I'd do that after speaking to him. I'd make it clear he has to choose, his family or some old fantasy. And I'd tell him I'll be asking her to leave us both alone.

You are the wife here. If he wants to treat you like second best then he can leave but for now he's at home. Nip it in the bud

Fairenuff · 02/01/2019 12:27

Yes, he said a dickhead comment about a blow job, and that MAYBE needs addressing

She did address it. He lied to her about it.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 02/01/2019 12:29

I'd have had to reply to the blowjob comment with "Please do tell us all more", they both deserve a public shaming for being so crude and inappropriate.

Stop letting this arsehole take you for granted, OP. Take legal and financial advice to prepare for the worst, find or start training for a career, revamp your style, more time carved out for yourself (gym, socialising, hobbies), detach a bit and create some concern in his mind. You're no one's second best.

category12 · 02/01/2019 12:31

"Naughty .. but thank you" and a blowing-kiss emoji is not a rebuff, particularly when they're continuing to private message. Hmm

If I was the woman in question, I'd have quit the private messaging at that point. It crosses a line.

Kione · 02/01/2019 12:35

OP didn't address the BBJE because she didn't know what it meant and he didn't want to tell her. Now she knows, she can tell him it is so disrespectful. I would have been livid at such disrespect, in public even more. From him and her.

Aarghhelpplease · 02/01/2019 12:46

I would just like to reiterate what other posters have said OP. It DOES NOT matter whether “the one that got away” wants him or not. What matters is how he has treated you not just over this but throughout your marriage. Sometimes a moment like this can help us see everything so much clearer. No one should ever be made to feel not good enough or second best in their marriage. The fact that you say you have always felt like this is just really really sad. You say that you are financially dependent on him. I understand that that makes you feel extremely vulnerable but it genuinely is not a reason to stay with someone. mutual love and respect are the underlying foundations of any marriage even when you are going through bad times. You do need to speak to him frankly and honestly. You have been given a lot of advice you may decide that life without him is unbearable that is your choice but you do have a choice. As someone who was also a SAHM for 10 years until I went back to work I can not tell you how much confidence working brings me I would implore you to find a job for your self you will never regret it. Xx

DyingMachine · 02/01/2019 12:50

The BBJE comment was completely out of order, as was his response. If my husband did something like that, he would be OUT.

Look, your daughter is 10, not 10 months. You could get yourself back to work, you do not need to stay with him to maintain your lifestyle. Your daughter will adapt and learn an extremely valuable lesson in the meantime.

I really don't think it's a question of 'if' rather 'when' this turns into a full blown affair. Personally I would be fucking him off now, but that's just me. You could sit back and watch it unfold, that's your prerogative.

777magic · 02/01/2019 12:53

What he's doing is terrible. I don't think any amount of counselling would change things.

I think it's awful to treat you like this, and it seems he doesn't care about you or DD at all.

The most sensible thing to do in the long run is kick him out. There will be another man out there who will truly love you and care about you and DD. This jerk is a waste of space. I'm sorry you've had to find out this way.

And you know, you know it's wrong, otherwise, why would you even question it? Anyone in their right minds would be questioning what he's doing.

Take good care of you and your little one.

RosaAbsolute · 02/01/2019 12:53

It's not normal, it's not acceptable and I'd leave him over this. It's been going on far too long, he's showing you zero respect and in fact he's treating you with contempt.

just a friend helping another friend

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Your confidence is now so low, probably because of this, that you can't see the blatantly obvious. Would you carry on like this with an ex who looks like a Chippendale and tell your DH to get over it?

LTB.

baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 12:54

"Naughty .. but thank you" and a blowing-kiss emoji is not a rebuff, particularly when they're continuing to private message.

id class it as a polite rebuff. She could have replied "cheers, come and get it big boy" or something just as encouraging if she wanted.

Lets not forget, he married the OP. The other woman married afterwards. If they were so universally tied, then this neither would have happened.

Everyone is just surmising, based on very little actual evidence or definitive comments. The only thing people are focussing on is BJ one, which isn't even confirmed as its intended meaning. They could have had a conversation at uni where they came up with something different, or had a joke about alternative meanings or just a convo where they heard it and couldn't work it out or whatever. Yes, thats a bit vague, but the entire thing is. The private messages weren't incriminating, there is no troubling behaviour; no lack in sex life or affection; no lying; no late nights or disappearing acts.

OP you are the one with the overriding relationship with your Husband. He married you. he has a child with you. He has more memories, more laughs and giggles, more life firsts, more experiences shared, with you. His commitment is with you.

stopitandtidyupp · 02/01/2019 12:54

Never be someone's second best.

You and your daughter deserve better.

I know people say LTB easy on here but I don't know how you can live live this. He would be gone for me.

WhenOneDoorClosesAnotherOpens · 02/01/2019 12:54

Why did OW's marriage break down? Was her DH jealous of 'the one who go away'/your DH?

category12 · 02/01/2019 13:03

"cheers, come and get it big boy" No way would she have said anything as blatant on her Facebook page, come on. Hmm Keeping on the private messaging after that, using him as a shoulder to cry on and the level of contact they're having is inappropriate.

It's all very well saying the OP has the marriage and memories etc with him, but she's also always felt the shadow of his previous relationship with this woman throughout.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 02/01/2019 13:08

Yes, he said a dickhead comment about a blow job, and that MAYBE needs addressing, but its a past relationship.

It only ‘maybe’ needs addressing? What on Earth do you expect from your intimate partners if this is something that only needs addressing?

Not to mention the fact OP did address it and was LIED to.

Christ. It’s not a past relationship at all. It’s very much in the present. And it may we’ll dictate his future (or be his future from the way it’s going so far).