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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

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MissLouLaLa · 03/01/2019 14:47

@worriedandconfused

I’m very glad that you found the post helpful, sending you lots of positive thoughts. I hope you don’t mind me trying to step back and look at all your issues holistically, but the bits that came out of the post for me and that I resonated with is that feeling of being in an emotional pressure cooker with no idea as to how to release the valve.

I noted that your mind is still swirling at the moment and thought that some yoga might help this video is a free yoga instructor and the video is a short ten minute sequence for self compassion, if you have time and a desire to do it, maybe it might help with getting some of the tension out of your body.

I totally appreciate this isn’t for everyone but right now the thing that is leaping out to me is that you could probably do with some self-care because your emotions are high and low. Creating space to think by taking care of ourselves gives great renewed focus and energy.

This moment must be so so tough, please give yourself some compassion and love. Writing thoughts down really does help. You are your own best guide as to how you want to approach this.

We are here for you.

SwordofGryffindor · 03/01/2019 14:52

If my DP said anyone else looked gorgeous in a bikini - no matter who they where - I'd kill him. Your husband is disgusting.

SwordofGryffindor · 03/01/2019 14:53

Why did you marry him always knowing you would be number 2?

SwordofGryffindor · 03/01/2019 14:59

OP if there's more code words like BBJE use urban dictionary hun

Petitprince · 03/01/2019 15:03

What was the wobble when she got married?How did it manifest?

Notonthestairs · 03/01/2019 15:12

He's been incredibly disrespectful.

In your shoes I'd lay out my cards again.
I'd start a conversation, when your DD is bed and it's just the two of you. First of all I'd tell him I know what the acronym means and I am disgusted that as a married man he'd put that on her FB, I'd also ask how he would feel if I had written similar on an exes FB - and I'd make sure he bloody answered that one. And then I would reiterate that the relationship is making me very uncomfortable (particularly given the comment in FB). I'd also say that my feelings are mine and he may not agree with them but he doesn't get to diminish or denigrate them.

I wouldn't invite her for dinner - I look like a right mess when I am cooking and the pressure would be unbearable. And I wouldn't want to meet her because let's face it they will be reminiscing and who wants to be the third part there.

So then it would be a question of saying "Fuck this up and it's all on you. There will be no going back. "

Because if somebody is going to cheat they will. All you can do is make it clear that it would be the end - and mean it.

Separately you sound lovely but lacking in confidence. I'd recommend an evening course - I did one and met some lovely friends. I'd also start thinking about jobs, studying and hobbies that are just for you. I joined a women's running group as a complete beginner - again gradually met some great people. Invest in yourself.

ittakes2 · 03/01/2019 15:14

I'm sorry but you deserve someone who loves and cherishes you. And your daughter deserves to see you being loved and cherished and for her to know what a healthy relationship looks like. I also suspect he is living in a fantasy land of what a relationship with this woman would be like. Yes he dated her before but they are both different people now.
He is having an emotional affair and disrespecting you. Set him free - if he wants back he needs to work for it or you are better off single and free to meet someone else.

flossietoot · 03/01/2019 15:24

Haven’t read all the posts but I think there is a lot of over reacting- yes, the messages are inappropriate but they don’t necessarily mean he is planning on leaving. He may just have an extremely flirtatious relationship with ex as they go back a long time.

Janedoe123 · 03/01/2019 15:31

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Habadabadoo · 03/01/2019 15:32

Invest in yourself
No matter what the circumstance of anyone's life this is one of the best lines I have read on mumsnet.

HairBnB · 03/01/2019 15:36

@Janedoe123, what would your reaction have been if your DH had told you that the flirty messages between you and this person you adored, that had gone on for more than 20 years, was causing him a great deal of upset?

Villagelifer · 03/01/2019 15:37

I'm really sorry for what you are going through OP. You must be confused and upset but I don't think you should doubt yourself. If it feels wrong it's because it's wrong. Relationships don't have to be this complicated.

I take your point about not throwing away your marriage. Unfortunately it's not up to you to make things right, you can only set your terms (which you shouldn't have to).

If it was me I would talk to him and explain how upset and disrespected you are feeling.
If he loves you and cherishes your life together he should suggest and make changes, respect you, your marriage and normal relationship boundaries.
I also wouldn't have her on Facebook. She's not a friend and it gives the appearance that their relationship and contact has your blessing.

QueenOfTheCroneAge · 03/01/2019 15:40

I also wouldn't have her on Facebook. She's not a friend and it gives the appearance that their relationship and contact has your blessing.

Excellent point, @Villagelifer

Janedoe123 · 03/01/2019 15:41

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bethy15 · 03/01/2019 15:46

Jane Doe, just because you didn't act on it or leave does not mean many, many others do not, or at least try to act on it.

Fairenuff · 03/01/2019 15:47

We both married and had children, however, despite the flirty messages etc, we both always knew subconsciously we would never act on it.

You didn't know it consciously then?

bethy15 · 03/01/2019 15:49

What was the wobble when she got married?How did it manifest?

This is what I have been wondering. What happened in the marriage and how did he behave etc?
What was it that made them have a wobble? His behaviour towards OP and their DD?

The fact they had a wobble over her marriage is very telling in all of this.

DadJoke · 03/01/2019 15:56

If he tries gaslighting you, have him read this thread.

LoisWilkerson1 · 03/01/2019 15:56

If my dh publicly told another woman that she'd given him his best BJ he would be out the door. Sorry op.

Janedoe123 · 03/01/2019 15:57

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Lweji · 03/01/2019 16:04

Janedoe123

Out of interest, did you regularly meet alone, or was it just messages and with friends and family?

IMO, the danger here is that the OP's husband and this other woman may well start meeting alone. They may not intend to cheat or start a relationship, but if so, I think they are being naive.

notapizzaeater · 03/01/2019 16:05

The BBJE jibe alone would have me packing his bags, so none of the ones you've given him are as good as this one, it's sooooo disrespectful to you, how would he like it if you told him he wasn't as good as Xx ?

HairBnB · 03/01/2019 16:06

@Janedoe123, I know we're all different, but if I thought that my actions, whether intended innocently, were subconscious, or whatever, had caused my long term DP and parent to my DC so much hurt, I would never want to do them again. Ultimatum or otherwise, there would be no repeat of the behaviour that caused the hurt and I would go out of my way for as long as it took to undo the damage I'd done.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 03/01/2019 16:06

Janedoe123 it’s almost a red herring whether the DH is actually planning to leave or not. Nobody knows but him: what IS known by the OP is how he has acted so far. He could never leave the OP and she’s still discovered she’s with a man who lies to her, disrespects her in front of mutual friends, sends lecherous compliments to another woman about her body in a bikini, and the rest. I think it’s certainly worth warning OP he may be considering that so she isn’t blindsided if it happens. But whether he does or not isn’t the point realistically. He’s still done everything else.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 03/01/2019 16:08

Janedoe123 if you’re asking MN to remove your posts for fear of someone you know seeing them (or your DH coming across them on your phone?) I think that says it all really about how he’d feel about the relationship between you and this other man throughout your marriage. How awful.