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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

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BiffChipandNipples · 03/01/2019 12:13

I am so sorry that you are going through this. MN can be harsh, but I hope if anything, they have reassured you that this isn’t in your head. No matter how much your dh plays it down.

I would be so angry with the FB comment. I would let him know that you know what it means and then I would tell him that It is difficult to give a decent blowjob to a man with such a tiny dick, because your previous boyfriend gave you much more to work with. In fact, it is so small that sometimes you feel like you are eating his pussy. Maybe his ex likes that and that is why she was able to give him the best pussy eating (sorry) blow job ever. Tell him you are just being open and honest because he has been so open about his feelings towards his ex. Maybe it is time you started opening up about your exes.
Apologies for being crude but I am fuming on your behalf.

I agree with people who say you should find things that interest you and get out more. Build your confidence and open up your social circle. Going to work isn’t just about the money, it is about meeting people and having your own thing.

While you are financially ok, rediscover your interests and let your dh fund it for that matter. Getting your ducks in a row doesn’t necessarily mean you will split up. It just means protecting yourself and your daughter. Gain confidence in yourself for yourself and know your options should the shit hit the fan. You will feel better for it.

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MollysLips · 03/01/2019 12:29

They're Charles and Camilla, and you're Diana.

You can't really say the "rug has been pulled" out from under you when you knew right from the start that she was his lost love. What did you expect would happen, really? Probably exactly this, which is why you've always been wary and hyper-alert to his feelings.

When he said your pregnancy was a "sign" that he had to grow up, he really probably meant it was a sign he should give up on the dream of winning her back. But he didn't.

I'm so, so sorry this is happening to you. I'm almost sorry he's been an amazing husband and Dad! It'd be much easier if he'd been a dick throughout.

But you're going to have to let go now. Don't try to keep him. Don't try to control him or his actions at all. Detach. This is happening, to YOU. What do you feel YOUR best options are?

Weightsandmeasures · 03/01/2019 12:41

I've read a few of VietnameseCrispyFish's posts and can't see what the fuss is over what she has said. I haven't read all just around 7 of them so maybe there are some where she's gone nuts with her comments but from what I've read they seem sensible and not at all disrespectful.

SandyY2K · 03/01/2019 12:45

@BiffChipandNipples

How on earth do you think such comments about his penis size would help the OP. That's purely and utterly childish.

If she wanted a divorce...then yes..she could do that.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 03/01/2019 12:46

Thanks Weightsandmeasures. I don’t get the pile on, I’ve supported the OP and been respectful the entire thread (and not said anything that hasn’t also been echoed by others). I think sometimes someone targets a poster and then others pile on (it happens not too infrequently). Sadly can’t really report them cos they’ve not been abusive, but I’m not going to engage.

Worriedandveryconfused · 03/01/2019 12:51

I dont k is about you but when I’m angry I tend to snowball and throw every feeling into the kitchen sink when I finally crack and it can leave one looking a bit irrational.

This is absolutely me, I feel like I can't keep hold of any one strand and go off on tangents and forget half of what I wanted to say.

Thank you again. There is some really good advice here about thinking about what I want, not just frm this situation but life in general.

DH has sent me a couple of nice texts while he's been on his lunch at work. Part of me is pleased that he's thinking about me and messaging me rather than her, part of me is wondering if this is just an attempt to keep me quiet. I wish I could just dump it all out of my head anmd forget about it Sad

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myrtleWilson · 03/01/2019 13:00

You've been typing with all the vigour of a relationships tricoteuse Vietnamese.

BlueEyedBengal · 03/01/2019 13:18

He's working into an affair and you need to be making plans on making him leave. I think he's already having an emotional affair and totally shafted you in the process. To say in front of the world that it was the best blow job ever and her agreeing is saying she is better than you. It going to happen and they will have no regrets or guilt about you and your daughter protect you and her and make plans to make him regret disregarding you will hold all the cards.

Hezz · 03/01/2019 13:23

I think that i would wait til he gets in then say, someone told me today on a public firm that I gave him the best blow job ever.

Wasn't that nice of him?

And see what happens from there

Hezz · 03/01/2019 13:23

*public forum

Bellendejour · 03/01/2019 13:25

OP these may have been mentioned before but a couple of really good blogs are Chump Lady and Baggage Reclaim - I would start reading these today.

Chump Lady outlines the ‘pick me dance’ which you seem to be falling into - competing with the OW and being grateful for any attention you are given over her.

Baggage Reclaim talks about having woefully low expectations from a relationship and living off ‘crumbs’ like a couple of nice texts when he is routinely messaging his ex and making crude comments on Facebook.

You should be angry not grateful right now, these blogs are a good starting point to analysing your own behaviour and how to change this, quite apart from his. (I used them when working through my own relationship issues).

I think you would definitely benefit from some solo counselling too, and then all the life change stuff around work, interests, exercise will really help.

Good luck Flowers

ClaireElizabethBeauchampFraser · 03/01/2019 13:28

I asked my dh about the Facebook comment and he said it was horrendous, absolutely awful! Your h is an absolute wanker to write that on a pic with his ex on Facebook. He clearly doesn’t give a fuck about you, your dd or who knows that he would rather be with his ex!

I think I would be confronting him over the Facebook comment again and asking him to leave. I couldn’t spend the rest of my life with a man who was constantly wishing he was with someone else. It would absolutely destroy my self esteem.

If you let him go, then the onus is on him to win you back. Then you are his choice. If he chooses his ex then he has never deserved you! You deserve to be a mans first choice! Not his consolation prize!

Waddsup12 · 03/01/2019 13:28

I feel for you.

I have a similar but way less problematic issue and even then it's quite hard to navigate.

In our case, my DH is the "one that got away", tho in truth she had an affair and left him. Now 20 odd years on, she's circling around him, getting ever closer job-wise and with some dramatics chucked in.

Even with me and him discussing it, it's really hard! I occasionally think I'm being a bit neurotic but I don't trust her an inch...

Be kind to yourself.

QueenOfTheCroneAge · 03/01/2019 13:40

@Bellendejour has made some excellent points. Being grateful for a couple of texts from him at lunchtime, after he has put "BBJE still" to his ex on FB, and publicly commented on old bikini pix of hers should have you in full on rage mode.

Find your anger! don't allow him to disrespect you and your marriage like this, by his fawning and slobbering over an old GF.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 03/01/2019 14:01

Chump Lady outlines the ‘pick me dance’ which you seem to be falling into - competing with the OW and being grateful for any attention you are given over her.

bellendejour ChumpLady is great. Really valuable for people who are on the receiving end of infidelity to understand the dangers of the ‘pick me dance’, all it does is reinforces your position as consolation prize (as a PP mentioned). The crumbs thing is so true too; when your self esteem has been knocked and you’re terrified of losing someone, before the anger sets in, it’s all too easy to focus on the crumbs of comfort thrown your way as you feel they’re signs you might keep the person after all. When in reality, you deserve far more than crumbs. And when the shock wears off, you’ll hopefully remember that.

I echo QueenOfTheCroneAge and bellendejour: find your rage. You are worth so much more than being thankful your husband is sending you messages in between the ones he’s sending fawning over his ex or complimenting her in her bikini and her sexual prowess. I think as the shock wears off you’ll either find your anger and take action or be so sad you’ll try and sweep it under the carpet. But if it’s the latter it’ll eat away at you Sad

Where’s your head at atm OP? Are you weighing up whether/how to address this with him? You’re doing well to be making it through the day with such an awful shock to deal with.

Fairenuff · 03/01/2019 14:07

Vietnamese good idea to ignore the thread policers. Lots of them on this one for some reason. Your posts are fine imo.

How do people cope with this stuff without going mad?

OP you have lost two main ingredients in your relationship - trust and respect.

It's pretty hard to have a relationship without those and you will tie yourself in knots trying to second guess what he's doing and whether he's talking with her.

I would arrange a time with him when you can sit down together without any other distractions and have a chat. Maybe see if dd could stay with a friend or relative overnight and see if the two of you can look at this the same way.

Tell him that, no matter what he thinks or feels about it, you feel that that public BBJE comment was hurtful and disrespectful. It has made you think about his commitment to you. Just try to focus on that one thing to see if he can accept how damaging that comment was.

If not, move on to the contact he has with her. Explain to him that, no matter how innocent it is in his eyes, it has caused you to lose trust. Acknowledge that it was wrong to snoop on his messages but it is also wrong for him to now hide them from you because you found something. See if he can accept how damaging that is to your relationship.

If not then just accept that, for now and have some time to think about what you want to do about it.

Until you get his reaction to how hurt you are you really won't know how he feels.

If he says OMG, I'm so sorry, I had no idea this was affecting you so badly. Yes, to me it's just an old friend but of course I won't contact her if it's hurting you. I'm sorry that you feel you don't trust me now, I'll let you have access to my messages and you can look at them whenever you want. You and dd mean the world to me and I would never want to jeopardise that - then all well and good. You can start to rebuild respect and trust.

If he minimises, refuses to accept your feelings, blames you for your feelings, argues, tries to keep contact going with her, etc. then it's probably not going to work out between you.

You won't know until you talk to him and in the meantime you will go mad with worry.

Bluntness100 · 03/01/2019 14:16

If he says OMG, I'm so sorry, I had no idea this was affecting you so badly. Yes, to me it's just an old friend but of course I won't contact her if it's hurting you. I'm sorry that you feel you don't trust me now, I'll let you have access to my messages and you can look at them whenever you want. You and dd mean the world to me and I would never want to jeopardise that

Jeez, you watch too many movies. Who says that shit?

TheWiseWomansFear · 03/01/2019 14:19

I don't think anyone should get married when they view another woman as the 'one who got away' in the sense that they wished they had married them... I wouldn't have been able to get over feeling second best.

Also BBJE means Best Blow Job Ever

Fairenuff · 03/01/2019 14:20

Well not you clearly Bluntness because you'd be fucked if you'd let your partner see your messages so you'd leave someone like OP in a headfuck rather than reassure them.

Bluntness100 · 03/01/2019 14:27

I didn't say I'd be fucked if I let him see my messages, I said I'd be fucked if I let my partner, or anyone, who I could and couldn't be friends with or contact.

You however can let your partner tell you what to do all you want. Or you can tell him/her.

Each to their own. I just don't like control.

TheWiseWomansFear · 03/01/2019 14:29

When I need to say I'm unhappy with something, it helps me to ask him to be quiet until I'm done and read off of a written down list of points.

bethy15 · 03/01/2019 14:39

DH has sent me a couple of nice texts while he's been on his lunch at work. Part of me is pleased that he's thinking about me and messaging me rather than her, part of me is wondering if this is just an attempt to keep me quiet.

Does he usually send you messages such as these? Or is it if he's done anything wrong?

And there' no proof he's thinking of you instead of her, it's possible and plausible he's thinking of her as well.

Snoz · 03/01/2019 14:39

That has to have been the cruellest thing he could have posted. BBJE? It'd be the last one he'd be getting from me.

The last of anything really.
I really feel for you. My heart would break if I was in your shoes.

Jenala · 03/01/2019 14:42

If he says OMG, I'm so sorry, I had no idea this was affecting you so badly. Yes, to me it's just an old friend but of course I won't contact her if it's hurting you. I'm sorry that you feel you don't trust me now, I'll let you have access to my messages and you can look at them whenever you want. You and dd mean the world to me and I would never want to jeopardise that

Jeez, you watch too many movies. Who says that shit?

This is almost exactly what DH said to me...

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