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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

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user1479305498 · 02/01/2019 21:55

The sexual comment also showed bugger all class!!

MsDogLady · 02/01/2019 22:50

Worried, you must be reeling. He has broken your trust and treated you in such a despicable manner.

What kind of father publicly humiliates his child’s mother? What kind of husband publicly demeans his wife by telling his former lover (and everyone else) that she is still the BJ winner? By commenting on her bikini pics that he has searched for?

They are having an Emotional Affair. They have invested a great amount of emotional energy in each other. Dozens of messages (that you know about), him building up her confidence, her calling him her Rock and referring to the next chapter. Comments with hearts. Plans to meet.

He is showing you such blatant disrespect. He is showing HER that he devalues you.

In my opinion, you had a right to look at the IPad. Your right to know about the status of your marriage trumped any misgivings over looking. If he cared, he would have been remorseful when you expressed your discomfort. He would have cut contact. Instead of changing his password, he would have offered transparency.

I hope you find your anger, Worried. I think he will continue to lie, gaslight, and stonewall. He seems compelled to keep her in his life. YOU can take control and refuse to accept this kind of mistreatment. I wouldn’t stay with my husband if he did this.

Lorddenning1 · 02/01/2019 22:58

Fucking hell what is going on with this thread at all, think you all need to lay off the gin, pouncing like a pack of wolves

bethy15 · 02/01/2019 23:06

I have no advise, but just wanted to wish you well here.

It's clear he still has feelings and is infatuated with her. To go through all of her photos on FB and comment and then message her about the specifics of the photo (location and when etc) shows he is immersing himself in her.

The most telling thing is that you had a bump in your marriage when she got married. It clearly bought things up for him, well that and the BBJE comment. I think he's wanting more with her.

It seem like she's his ideal, the thing he's clung onto throughout all of his life, which isn't good for you, but it doesn't make it less true.

Also, I know you said he said no more kids, but sometimes with different partners, people make different compromises, like an ex who wouldn't marry getting married, or someone who didn't want kids suddenly having kids with his new partner.

It's not fair he deflected it onto you and your 'issues' with her her, when from the beginning of your relationship, she's been a presence and now she's very much in your life.

Perhaps counselling may help, but honest counselling on both sides where he actually lays his cards on the table about what he feels for this woman.

Good luck OP.

everydaymum · 03/01/2019 00:48

I agree that this is an 'emotional affair' in that he has feelings and is acting on them whilst married to OP. However these feelings have been around since before OP. It doesn't make it any easier to deal with, but I think OP is the 'other woman', with his ex being the main woman this man's life.
Even if this current situation goes no further, OP will always wonder about it and will fear it happening again. For her sake she's better off leaving, as husband is displaying no respect for their family or marriage.

Worriedandveryconfused · 03/01/2019 07:18

I am still reading and I’m grateful for people taking the time to post to try to help, even if most of the messages aren’t what I want to hear. I haven’t said anything yet, I need to think about what I want to say and how to say so I don’t get myself confused or forget half my points like I usually do when trying to have an important conversation (with anyone, not just DH). I slept terribly though, I spent the night swinging from thinking they’re just chatty messages and a bit of flirting, not worth throwing ten years and a happy family away, to not being able to get the picture of her “sucking his cock” as a PP so starkly put it, out of my head.

He did some work at home last night on the laptop and I couldn’t help thinking that for all I knew he was just messaging her, but he did do some work because he printed some reports off that he needs today and I felt guilty for doubting him. He’s going to the city she’s moving to for work on Monday for a couple of days, she isn’t living there yet so I’m not worried they’re meeting up but the thought of them spending every evening messsging without me around to interrupt him makes me feel sick. He always FaceTimes me and DD when he’s away overnight though so it’s not as though he doesn’t think about us. I don’t know what the hell to think or say or do at the minute, nothing makes sense any more.

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Nnnnnineteen · 03/01/2019 07:31

Op, you dont have to do anything. Despite some of the lengthy rants on here, this is your life, not a soap opera. You know what you have read, you know what it may mean. You do not have to grow a skin like a rhino and kick him out if you do not want to. Just look after yourself, get your head together and think about what you actually want to do. But If you need to be strong, choose strong over scared no matter how hard it is.

category12 · 03/01/2019 07:32

Hi op, glad you're still here, sorry for my part in some of the in-fighting on your thread.

Sorry you're feeling so low and conflicted. Flowers

I'd advise you to have the conversation and not let it pass, tho. It's tempting to let inertia take over, but he really needs at least a shot across the bows about this.

I would call him out on the bbje comment again, tell him you've figured out what it means and you feel hurt he fobbed you off and was dismissive of your feelings about it. See if he comes out with some kind of Bluntness-style explanation. See if he acknowledges how shitty it feels to be on the other side of.

RebeccaCloud9 · 03/01/2019 07:53

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but She may not be living there yet but that doesn't mean she can't visit. The longer this goes on, the harder it may be to nip it in the bud, and a night away together may be the thing to tip it into full blown affair territory. I know you are reluctant to say anything now but can you do it soon?

Icantfindausername · 03/01/2019 08:15

I'm so sorry to read what's happened. You must be going through hell. It will get better.

I think you need to have a serious chat with him and tell him exactly how you are feeling, what you think BBJE means, tell him you want to trust him but his wobble years ago and the way he's hiding things makes you feel the way you do. If it was all above board why can't you read the messages.

Ask him to imagine you were texting your ex and hiding the messages it's not acceptable and frankly you deserve better.

If it is all innocent he will do what he can to reassure you and he will let you see messages etc. If he's hiding something then he'll keep it all secretive but either way your best knowing.

If he admits he has feelings for her still as hard as it will be I would set him free. You will never feel secure in your marriage and you don't deserve that. But you don't know that until you talk to him.

You need to put your cards on the table and ask for him to help you with this.

I hope you manage to sort it out.

And if he did go back to her I'm sure it would all crumble as things have changed so much and she's prob just an old fantasy in his mind. He could be one that learns the grass isn't always greener.

Respect yourself and stay strong.

xxxx

UnicornSlaughters · 03/01/2019 08:33

This is not one of the century's greatest love stories. At best he's in love with a fantasy of the past. There's a reason these two people didn't end up together. They obviously didn't care enough to make it work. People don't just drift apart when madly in love. Please stop putting yourself down and comparing yourself to her. Your husband chose you, and he needs to be reminded of that fact.

Tell him you know what BBJE means, tell him how hurt and humilated you are. Then let him talk.

RebeccaCloud9 · 03/01/2019 08:34

Yep, exactly. She is just This rose tinted illusion and a reminder of the past, this is not reality and he needs to snap out of it!

bethy15 · 03/01/2019 09:27

The longer this goes on, the harder it may be to nip it in the bud

I don't think there is any nipping this in the bud. He's been hung up on this woman for over ten years, he's clearly got feelings for her and idealises her.

I agree with PP, just because she is officially not moved into the area yet does not mean she will not be there on Monday with him.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 03/01/2019 10:09

I don't think there is any nipping this in the bud. He's been hung up on this woman for over ten years, he's clearly got feelings for her and idealises her.

Sadly true, it’s not a bud, it’s grown into a tree already, taller and stronger than the tree grown between him and OP from the way he’s acting :(

OP, take your time. Get your head straight. Weigh it all up, there’s no rush. If he’s gonna physically cheat or leave for her then he’s gonna do it and you can’t stop that.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 03/01/2019 10:23

Vietnamese, you're out of order. So transparent with the faux sad face too. You don't know any of that nonsense that you've just spouted and it's just gratuitous. Stop it.

SandyY2K · 03/01/2019 10:28

This may sound simplistic... but knowing you have no control over his choices, whatever they are...will serve you well.

I reiterate that you need to:

•Focus on you (self care)

• Look into getting a job/volunteering/study

• Try and get involved in a sport/gym/hobby/interest

• I'd also recommend individual counselling. It's helpful to dig deep and gain a better understanding of your inner self. A good counsellor will guide you on the journey of self exploration and create a safe environment for you to reflect.

I would personally let him know that you know what the BBJE is... then let the cards fall where they will.

I can understand that he would remember that night in question...but yo comment on it in such a public way was disrespectful to you.

I've also done what you did...by writing down my points so I didn't forget.

My H had some communication with an Ex that I wasn't happy about. It's too outing to say what he said to her on here.
I asked him to cut contact with her...he said they were friends blah blah blah.

I know if I'd said to an Ex what he said...he wouldn't have been happy. He would have said I was giving signals that I wanted something sexual to happen.

I explained what an emotional affair was to him. He denied it was that. He was refusing to go NC. Until I said fine... I'm not in touch with any of my Exes...but if it's ok for you... then I'll do the same.

A couple had friend requested me and I ignored them. He wasn't happy about my proposal...said it wasn't the same...that I was digging people up... and deliberately going to seek out an Ex....whereas he'd never stopped contact.
I also told him his refusal to cut contact would make me emotionally detach from him...because I felt unsafe and wasn't going to risk heartbreak .... and that when the kids were older I'd leave.

I was deadly serious about it. The thing that made him understand.......was putting the situation on a public forum (it wasn't MN, he would have been slaughtered here) and getting the views of total strangers ...both male and female.

They all told him he was wrong.

Robin2323 · 03/01/2019 10:29

This is not one of the century's greatest love stories. At best he's in love with a fantasy of the past. There's a reason these two people didn't end up together. They obviously didn't care enough to make it work. People don't just drift apart when madly in love. Please stop putting yourself down and comparing yourself to her. Your husband chose you, and he needs to be reminded of that fact.
'This '
I know a woman who's been on both sides of this.
They are 'ex's' for a reason.
In the cold light of day this relationship wouldn't last 6 weeks.
No threat there.
However it is still inappropriate.
Like pp have said focus on yourself and having a good life.
Stay calm. You hold all the cards.

You can get through this.
This may even put her ghost to rest once and for all.
Hugs Thanks

Bluntness100 · 03/01/2019 10:33

Viatenmese has been on thr thread throughout, gleefully sticking it to the op, whilst acting like she's just trying to help.

Lweji · 03/01/2019 10:33

It's true that it's out of your control, OP. If he wants to cheat, he'll cheat. And if he wants to leave you, he will.

This is why your two courses of action can only be two.
a) prepare yourself for the possibility of him leaving. Get paperwork in order and if you think that would be an issue, find a job, etc. Now, this is good advice regardless of the current situation. He could die, or leave you for any other reason, or you could decide to leave him at any point.
b) make it his responsibility to take steps to prevent temptation or to be honest with you about his feelings and his plans. When you talk to him, you don't have to have things to say prepared. The conversation can keep going as necessary. Over days or weeks, even. But the base should be that I'd rather be with someone who has chosen me and that we're free to leave at any point.

The thing is that neither of us can foolproof our relationships. We can only hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
You can't nip it in the bud. You can't control his actions.

Worriedandveryconfused · 03/01/2019 10:39

They split up about a year after finishing university, shortly after they both started working. As far as I know it she was put under a lot of pressure to go home and care for a member of her family who was very ill. There were no job opportunities for DH where she lived and she didn't want him to throw his career away. They tried to keep it going long distance for a while but she ended it reluctantly to focus on looking after her relative and I believe there was some other stuff going on at home that I don't know the details of. That's what what I understand from mutual friends who knew him then and reading between the lines of the bits and pieces he said when we talked about it (when I'd found her letters and cards and stuff years back). I believe DH didn't deal with it particularly well and he had a few short term relationships based mainly on sex. I suppose the truth of it is I would probably have just been another one of these if I hadn't got pregnant but he did say after I'd told him and we were talking about what we were going to do that this was the sign he needed to tell him he had to grow up and settle down. And up until now, apart from that one wobble when she told him she was getting married, he has been a good husband and father.

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DeepanKrispanEven · 03/01/2019 10:40

You sound very invested in the OP’s DH having done very little wrong

Vietnamese, you do sound incredibly invested in the reverse.

Worriedandveryconfused · 03/01/2019 10:47

Somehting a PP said upthread has been niggling at me and I've put my finger on what it is. They said something about "exchanging chatty messages about DW and DD". From the messages I saw, we were hardly ever mentioned. She occasionally asked after DD but otherwise they never talk about us. Is that a good thing, that DH isn't talking me down behind my back? Or should I be worried that they don't talk about me at all, even on days they've exchanged messages on my birthday or our anniversary? I don't know what to think. How do people cope with this stuff without going mad?

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lonelyplanetmum · 03/01/2019 10:51

Just wanted to say sorry you've started 2019 with this. It's just so entitled of your DH to think he can behave in this way. I'm sure he wouldn't be accepting if you behaved like that.

I also don't get the need to change phone passwords etc- I don't see how such a high degree of privacy is compatible with the intimacy of marriage but I know people have widely differing views on this.

Would it be foolish to invite her over for lunch or something one weekend with you DH and DD and make overtures of friendship with the real agenda of seeing her off? Probably counter productive.

( Alternatively I know it would not be the mature counselling adult type approach but it's tempting to find a pic of an ex or indeed any pic of any anonymous model and share it on FB with the date and the comment BBJE. You could share it just with DH and or his friend but they then wouldn't know how widely it was shared. See how they like it. I know that's immature and doesn't solve anything but I'd be tempted .)

Lweji · 03/01/2019 10:51

he has been a good husband and father.

And he needs to decide if he wants to continue to be, or if he wants to risk it.

bethy15 · 03/01/2019 10:55

It's never a good thing if he's sending another woman messages on your birthday and your anniversary. There's no good there.

Why would he need to be contacting her on your anniversary? And to then not even mention what day it was when they're being so chatty about everything else.

He's pretty much acting as if you don't exist between the two of them.