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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

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VietnameseCrispyFish · 02/01/2019 18:10

I cannot understand the people trying to minimise this man’s behaviour.

I think it’s becahse that’s the standard they set in their own relationship. Maybe because they’re the ones stepping out of line and cognitive dissonance is the only way they can live with themselves. Or their self esteem is at rock bottom and the only way they can function is by pretending that shitty behaviour is normal and acceptable and everyone else just has unrealistic standards.

It’s very sad, and sad for OP it’s descended into a bunfight. Take no notice, OP. Some people feel a marriage needs preserving at all costs to your sanity and happiness, some don’t. Neither is right or wrong. Hopefully this thread, if nothing else, has given you food for thought. And you now understand that the majority of women would not see your feelings as being irrational or overly jealous, you’re not overreacting.

ChristmasRaven · 02/01/2019 18:23

I think we should all remember that OP's on the other side of this thread and hurting. If you are still here OP, I echo what some other posters have said. Talk this through with a real life friend or family member. Talk to your husband.

Honestly the more I think about it, the more I'm on the fence. My knee jerk reaction was "he's planning an affair" but you have found messages going back a year. Presumably if any of them had said something significant, for example him expressing a longing to be with her, you would have said that in your OP. Given they have been talking a year he is playing a very long game if he does want to be with her. I just don't know.

I think the one fact that everyone does agree on is that the fb comment was very disrespectful. So I personally would make that my starting point and tell him how hurt you are by it. You can then be guided by his response/reaction.

As I said in my pp. Get yourself into a position of strength, whatever happens. I sincerely hope you are doing ok and have some real life support Flowers

baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 18:36

well said @christmasraven, his reaction to the conversation is what will tell.

@desperatesux, just to clarify, it isn't him that views her as the one that got away. Op states later in the thread, thats how she sees the OW, not how the husband does.

@vietnamese, maybe people have more trust in their partner than to presume that one admittedly horrendous comment means their relationship is going to the dogs or that their partner is planning to leave or cheat. No one has said the comment was ok. EVERYONE has said that comment was disrespectful and inappropriate and the OP needs to tell her husband how it made her feel. Nothing to do with cognitive dissonance or low self esteem, or counteracting the echo chamber of the thread. The comment needs addressing. however it is not a precursor to the husband running off and having another child with the woman. Its that leap in assumption that creating the divide, not the actual facts

Closetbeanmuncher · 02/01/2019 19:10

What an awful position to be in....

The public sexual comment was just awful.... completely unnecessary and humiliating for you.

What concerns me is the way he reacted when she got married....almost like he was waiting for her.

He has put her on some sort of fantasy pedestal, and is unwilling to let her go....Even at the cost of his marriage.

It's like he views your marriage as a consolation prize..Which is extremely hurtful and insulting. I don't think counselling will remedy this, sorry op Sad

I would go back to work asap and put yourself into a position of financial independence....Just in case she decides she wants to take it further.

The only way any of this will change is if she "falls from graces" somehow in his eyes.

I'm really sorry you've been put through this shit-show....Flowers

Disrespectful bellend

Lookatyourwatchnow · 02/01/2019 19:54

I'm so sorry OP, his behaviour is incredibly disrespectful and I can't believe that he has publicly humiliated you on social media with that disgusting comment.

I absolutely do not agree with the suggestion of inviting her round for dinner. That would just be a way of metaphorically pissing on him, which is a red herring as he is the problem rather than her. I think that for his ex, your DH is simply boosting her ego as at the moment he is acting like everything about her is fantastic and is giving her unwavering attention. Perhaps she wouldn't actually enter into a physical relationship with him. But as I said, she's irrelevant because it is his behaviour that hurts and crosses the line and I think that he has crossed the line so far that there is nothing to be regained for you now. I hope his fall from grace fucking hurts.

Bellendejour · 02/01/2019 19:57

Not everyone on here is screaming LTB, a lot of people are just giving OP sensible advice on how to tackle it, improve her position and prepare for the worst if it happens. It’s irresponsible to suggest the thread be pulled when OP is clearly unhappy and in a vulnerable position. Nothing OP has said suggests she’s going to walk out on her marriage tonight. Stop minimising unacceptable behaviour or aligning it with harmless chats with exes about coffee or coming up with ridiculous alternative explanations for BBJE. That’s not what’s going on here and it’s not helpful to OP.

OP I really really feel for you. It’s all been covered by PP but my advice would be:

Confront him about the BBJE comment, the next chapter, the password changing and the recent communication.

He needs to cut contact with her and focus on you and your DD. You’ll need complete transparency over devices/passwords/social media. This is a sad, slow death to me relationship-wise BUT I appreciate your position. He has broken your trust so doesn’t get to have this. If she’s not a totally hideous twat she will understand this too, this has clearly crossed a line and I doubt she’d be happy about this if the situation was reversed.

I agree that you need to focus on yourself and make some major changes. I would personally try to get back into work, at least part time for so many reasons. Or is there a course you’d like to do, one that could help get you back into work or into a different career? Or just because it’s something you would enjoy, just to give you an outlet and an opportunity to meet people, achieve and feel good about yourself. Similarly a hobby, exercise classes (if you don’t do already), get a personal trainer, sign up for a challenge eg race, bike ride. Get fit and strong, work off stress and anxiety.

At the same time he will need to make some serious effort with you and DD, so make sure there is time for your relationship (eg date nights) and your life as a family.

I do think in the background its not a bad idea to plan/prep for the worst, all the ducks in a row stuff, not because it’s a given, but why wouldn’t you. It’s another way to empower yourself and feel more in control. You do seem in a bit of a vulnerable position currently so it would be good to tackle that.

Of course this (esp the transparency and ending contact with her) could push the button on everything but don’t be bullied or gaslighted by him, this is a black and white situation. You are trying to save your marriage. He’s ripping the actual piss out of it.

On the other hand he may shit himself and sort himself out when he sees you’re serious and have grown a major backbone.

Good luck Flowers

Bluntness100 · 02/01/2019 19:59

I think it’s becahse that’s the standard they set in their own relationship. Maybe because they’re the ones stepping out of line and cognitive dissonance is the only way they can live with themselves. Or their self esteem is at rock bottom and the only way they can function is by pretending that shitty behaviour is normal and acceptable and everyone else just has unrealistic standards

Ah, that's a nice snide little remark. 🤣🤣🤣

And you might need to phone a friend because I suspect your wrong on all scores. Again.

MissLanesAmericanCousin · 02/01/2019 20:06

@Worriedandveryconfused, I'm so sorry to hear this OP. And, I'm sorry that you are hurting. I know what it's like to feel second best.

However, I know for me personally, that I would rather not have my head in the sand and play second fiddle to someone else in my marriage. To me, that is no way to live. You deserve to be first choice.

Whatever you decide, I wish the very best for you and your daughter. I hope you find the inner strength to make the right choice. You may find that you are a lot stronger than you thought you were. Good luck. Flowers

Tweety1981 · 02/01/2019 20:11

Tell her to back off . She had her chance and she blew it.

Tweety1981 · 02/01/2019 20:14

Nothing has actually happened. Tell her to sod off and find someone else to build her confidence. Oh and get your sexiest gear out and flirt the socks off your DH .... don’t be all heavy on him .

She needs to find someone single !x

Bluntness100 · 02/01/2019 20:15

Tell her to back off . She had her chance and she blew it

Well that would be good advice if she was hitting on him. But she's not, it's the other way round,

Tweety1981 · 02/01/2019 20:19

Ok I get the
Message .

Beat him at his own crap .!go start some daily and public communication with someone attractive .. let him freak out and get his shit together .

blankiesandunicorns · 02/01/2019 20:23

Tweety - judging but how the OP sounds, I don't think that's something that she is going to do and not particularly dignified either, there's a child involved in this.

If you're still there OP, I hope you speak to someone in RL. Sending you Thanks

Tweety1981 · 02/01/2019 20:23

I once dated someone who was a complete twat and was flirting with the waitress (she was got bless her ) .

Anyway the waiters were also seriously hot... so I went to the loo and then saw them going into the kitchen ... followed them and started helping them sort the knives and forks .. and a good flirt .. his friends worked out what was going on and told me

The twat I was dating was so pissed off lol ... anyway I nonchalantly came back and finished my meal which he paid for ..

Of course I married someone else lol

Ishiede · 02/01/2019 20:24

I’ve had this and an emotional affair is worse than a one night stand. It is totally out of order and you have every right to be upset. It’s disrespectful to you and your daughter. It took me years to get over this kind of betrayal. Sending you love

lucky88 · 02/01/2019 20:24

Have not read whole thread just opening post

...he loves her... lots of messages to her, means he is thinking about her a lot. And she's not pushing him away.

Sorry but it doesn't sound good.

Tweety1981 · 02/01/2019 20:25

Let’s face it ..

We don’t know if this guy is for real and actually chasing this woman or whether it’s just some university heart break he’s living for a bit . I completely understand that it might be an immature option but sometimes it’s easier to let someone know what they are doing by doing it yourself and letting them realise what they are losing you treating you in this way

Ishiede · 02/01/2019 20:26

I wonder if they also talk on the phone and not just messaging

Tweety1981 · 02/01/2019 20:29

Sorry I missed that .

Right .

If he thinks he loves her he needs to choose . He needs to know he will lose you and you need to show him that you CAN and WILL
Move on ...

Don’t act like you are going to be waiting in the background for him to come home .

Doobee · 02/01/2019 20:34

Well if anything does come of this and he does start messing around with her, the first thing I’d be doing is messaging to let her know clearly that he’s said he won’t ever have anymore kids. He might lie about that to get her into bed so it’s worth her being told the score

Doobee · 02/01/2019 20:36

If she’s on your Facebook then it’s worth a general status update including something about how sad you are that your husband never wants or can’t have any more kids but how grateful you are for the DD you do have.

Singlenotsingle · 02/01/2019 20:57

It's not really a compliment, is it, to be best remembered for giving the BBJE? He obviously has it in mind to have another Shock

SuperSuperSuper · 02/01/2019 21:02

I'm so sorry OP.

I can understand the emotional power of the "one that got away". It's no reflection on you but I'm sure that is no consolation.

I think you'll always be the one he settled for, sadly. Whether you should carry on in this vein, or whether the decision will be taken from you when he meets her in the city, I can't say.

I think that you should start widening your social circle and maybe find a job, so that you're not entirely emotionally reliant on him and DD. Whatever happens, this would be a sensible thing to do.

Good luck.

Tiredemma · 02/01/2019 21:15

The BBJE comment would see him out of the door. I couldn't tolerate the blatant humiliation.

Dieu · 02/01/2019 21:21

I'm so sorry, OP. I know how devastating this must be for you. He sounds infatuated. What a couple of bastards they are.

When I discovered messages between my ex husband and the OW, I was struck by how chatty and innocent they seemed. I'd have expected it to be all sexy chat, but it wasn't like that at all Grin I guess it almost makes it worse when the connection isn't just physical, but emotional too.

Hope you're ok x

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