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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

OP posts:
Bluntness100 · 02/01/2019 15:57

"Highly likely" is what you said, Bluntness

What part of highly likely means absolutely does to you?

What part of it does not indicate that it's possible he was complimenting a sexual act?

Off you pop. Back to English classes.

Jens303 · 02/01/2019 15:57

I do feel for you but in my experience people believe what they want to believe & you know in your heart of hearts the truth

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 02/01/2019 16:01

Why the derailing and arguing?

There are no relationship experts on this thread. We all have different views on OP's situation. Contrary to what some think, most of us have nothing but sadness for the OP and want her to protect herself.

WorriedandConfused, if you're still reading this bear pit of a thread, maybe see if you can talk this through with a real life friend, one on one.

I wish you the best. Thanks

category12 · 02/01/2019 16:05

It's highly likely it's the opposite of a fantastic sexual experience, that's why it's a joke between them is what you said, Bluntness. Not as likely or possible, but highly. based on your earlier imaginative interpretation of what the comment could mean despite her response making very little sense in that context. But sure, it's my reading comprehension at fault. Hmm

baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 16:07

I apologise @category12, youre right. He confirmed it and discussed it with her, but yes he didn't tell her prior. Based on this, I have an awful lot to tell my OH then. Ive made so many throw away comments to exes from years ago, about catching up, and getting a coffee n that. Obviously I actually meant a bonk.

Id actually typed out a long convoluted reply but then thats not actually helping the OP is it? So many people are just going straight to LTB (and why wouldn't they, its not their relationship after all). I just hope the OP can take some of the positives from peoples post, and make decisions based on whats right for her.

Again, OP, please find the strength to speak to your husband. You don't even have to mention the ipad again, merely that you've been thinking about it more, and its still upsetting you. Maybe try and a time where DD is in bed, and you can both sit down and have an easy, non rushed conversation, to get everything off your chest, and draw a line under it. If he doesn't change his behaviour, you have your answer, but at least if he knows how gut wrenchingly upset its made you, he has the opportunity to show you that you are number one is his life x

GrandmaJane · 02/01/2019 16:08

I cannot understand the people trying to minimise this man’s behaviour.
OP, first get your head round the fact that he’s a faithless git, whether he’s had chance to put it into action or not. There might not be a future for your relationship.
So, sort out where you stand, inform yourself, make ‘Plan B’ for you and your child/ren. Say nothing further to him.
When you are as ready as you can be, tell him you want full access to all his devices so you can update yourself on the actuality of his relationship with her. If he complies and shows remorse for the worry he has caused you, be wary but give him a chance. Otherwise, show him the door.
Don’t pretend it isn’t happening. That won’t help long term.

Lweji · 02/01/2019 16:09

Ive made so many throw away comments to exes from years ago, about catching up, and getting a coffee n that. Obviously I actually meant a bonk.

It depends. Do you still keep cards, etc from those exs?

Bluntness100 · 02/01/2019 16:09

Why the derailing and arguing?

Well it started with me saying it wasn't ok to take this to the level of saying he was planning to leave her, that he would have babies with this other woman etc and some posters have felt the best form of defence is attack.

Because that always worries me sigh.

Op. I hope you're ok. Don't take the catastrophising your relationship to heart. As some comments show, there is nothing to indicate the horrible things they are writing that is about to happen in your life will.

Lweji · 02/01/2019 16:11

I agree with this, though.

Again, OP, please find the strength to speak to your husband. You don't even have to mention the ipad again, merely that you've been thinking about it more, and its still upsetting you. Maybe try and a time where DD is in bed, and you can both sit down and have an easy, non rushed conversation, to get everything off your chest, and draw a line under it. If he doesn't change his behaviour, you have your answer, but at least if he knows how gut wrenchingly upset its made you, he has the opportunity to show you that you are number one is his life x

category12 · 02/01/2019 16:12

Baileys, but what if it was an ex who your partner was insecure about that you were making plans to catch up with? Wouldn't you think there was something to discuss? This isn't coming out of nowhere, he knows perfectly well OP feels threatened by this woman, and that their marriage suffered when he went into a spin about her getting married to someone else. Confused

Chaoticpenguin · 02/01/2019 16:16

The Fabebook comment and now locking iPad is concerning.
What bothers me is that he as already said they may meet up to your face also they may not! He messing with your head. He’s already said she’s the one that got away. Looking through years of her photos is really creepy.
It’s not a physical affair yet and my never be but I think if she offered he wouldn’t say no from how he’s acting.
I’m surprised at his lack of understanding as to why you would feel uncomfortable in him continuing the friendship. With everything he’s said he should understand that this is not acceptable.
I won’t tell you to leave as that’s your decision but in the end it may not be.
She may not be interested but he’s stepped a line and what if another ex or any woman that he becomes besotted with enters his life. He’s crossed this line and may now carry on as he’s had no repercussions of his behaviour.

I can’t believe he lied to you about what the best blowjob ever was. He must think that you are not intelligent as a simple google on abbreviations would show you the meaning.

I wonder what their recent messages have spoken about? He should just show you if he’s got nothing to hide and it’s a genuine friywhich we all know on his side especially it’s not.

She is more chatty as you say but she’s responded on fb with naughty and winks which is a slight come on and not appropriate with a married man. It’s also seen by many on your profiles so just a bit creepy.
Like others have said I would get things in order if the worst happened.
Maybe after talking and opening up he may see the light so to speak and wake up and you can both work on your marriage. I really hope so but with what you have said I’m not sure that he will.

Wish you all the strength xxxxx

MadameButterface · 02/01/2019 16:17

“Why are you ignoring the fact they have had plenty of opportunity and never even met up yet, that past this her marriage is good?”

She may well be more of a limerent object to him than a genuine affair partner; it may also be that it’s all one way traffic, but that still doesn’t mean his behaviour is not harmful to the marriage or disrespectful to the op. Sometimes calling someone’s bluff and showing them what they stand to lose is the only way to snap them out of silly behaviour.

And it would do op zero harm whatsoever to

  1. know her rights as a sahm of quite a lot of years
  2. think about long term career prospects and plan for financial independence
  3. get herself out socialising

So not really sure what warrants a big kick off here.

category12 · 02/01/2019 16:20

“Why are you ignoring the fact they have had plenty of opportunity and never even met up yet, that past this her marriage is good?”

Also she was married up until recently. She's now single again.

MistressDeeCee · 02/01/2019 16:24

Yes, I've read your posts, Baileys, and you're minimising. It is inappropriate contact: the BBJE comment, her telling him he's "her rock", the constant flow of messaging, all the while he is perfectly aware of how insecure OP feels about this woman

Agreed.

Your self-esteem would have to be on the floor to think this kind of nastiness is acceptable.

Or be a "man by any means necessary" type of woman.

Not to mention he's no respect for this woman either - letting folks know she gave him the best BJ, on her FB page? Like a dog wanting to be seen marking it's territory.

He's also massively disrespecting OP, including publicly.

There's nothing to "work out" he needs to be told it's not on and to stop fucking about being a prize dickhead.. No tiptoeing around him, he's embarrassing himself and his wife.

Fairenuff · 02/01/2019 16:26

The way I see it OP is that you are frightened of confronting him because you don't think he will respect your boundaries so even if he says he will stop contacting her, you won't be able to trust him.

When he goes away every month for work, you will be wondering if he is with her. You can't check his messages so you will forever be thinking about what's going on between them. Is he confiding her, is he planning to leave.

It's in your head now and it's not going anywhere. This has already been bothering you for a year. I don't see how you can carry on in this relationship without trust as it's making you miserable.

So even though you don't want to, meeting this head on is the only way for you to find any peace. You have to tell him how you feel and his reaction will tell you all you need to know.

Unless he does something off his own back to reassure you and show real commitment you will know for sure that you are not a priority to him.

You have two choices a) try to ignore and forget about her or b) talk to him.

baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 16:27

@lweji I do actually have a 'memory box'. Havent looked at it for ages, but yes have kept old valentines cards, notes, little momentos etc. Don't get me wrong, I am more than inlove with my OH, I just haven't got rid of the box. Each thing in there reminds me of how I felt at that time, more than how the other person made me feel. maybe thats the difference. Although, my OH isn't threatened by it. If he was, I would probably get rid of it but I would be reluctant, more due to the fact that some things are like 25 years old. I do understand what you mean though.

FFS @Category12. Wouldn't you think there was something to discuss? Yes I would. Thats why I keep saying to talk to the husband about how its making her feel. Im not sure if you are being deliberately obtuse, or just trying to cause issues, but I am getting tired of replying the same thing to you. If you are just trying to derail, im done with it now. Thanks

baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 16:31

@mistressdeecee absolutely nothing wrong with my self-esteem but thanks awfully for your 'concern'. If youd read my replies as well, you would have seen that ive said its disrespectful, inappropriate and a dickhead comment.

But, you know, don't let facts get in the way of a good ol' passive aggressive dig ;)

Aarghhelpplease · 02/01/2019 16:34

I hope that you are ok worriedandveryconfused. You know your husband and your marriage so are the best judge as to what to do. It could be he’s got carried away with some kind of emotional fantasy and would never do anything else, it could be something more. The problem is you won’t find out until you talk and I mean really talk through everything with him. I am sure there will be things discussed that you never wanted to hear but I think in your head you have imagined the worst scenarios anyway and to not speak to your husband and just have those scenarios playing in your head over and over just seems like torture to me.
Take Care and do what’s best for you.

category12 · 02/01/2019 16:42

Baileys, I keep replying because you keep minimising what's going on. You went into a whole sarcastic spiel about not always telling your partner about possible meet-ups despite it being in a completely different context. Hmm

poglets · 02/01/2019 16:46

OP, I can't advise you on what best to do about your husband. But I do know this, you need to make an appointment with a solicitor straight away. You need to understand your position, get advice on how to strengthen it. You should take all copies of paperwork and children's documents and keep them in a safe place. Finally, you should start building up a fund of money that only you know about.

You don't work and you should think about returning to employment ASAP, unless you receive advice to the contrary from a solicitor.

I'd also decide now to invest time in your other networks, friends and family. Make your mental and physical health a priority. Also, consider taking courses and training when you can, while still married, to put yourself in the best position if your marriage fails.

I am afraid your husband's behavior is not a good sign. Look to the practical now and make yourself number 1. Good luck.,

crystalsapphire · 02/01/2019 16:50

I'm sorry OP but in real life, every time I've seen a situation like this, the husband has left the wife to be with the OW, especially when the children are a bit older. You should prepare yourself financially and emotionally for your marriage ending, unless you will be OK with him having an affair. Of course, there will be exceptions, and your marriage might be salvageable, but taking the actions to get yourself financially independent may actually help, as he'll realise you're not willing to be a doormat and may start to invest the time in you and your DD, rather than this ex. There have been so many comments on this OP, not because people want to be horrible, but because I think most of us have watched a female friend, or ourselves, be totally blindsided by something like this, and know that the overwhelmingly likely outcome is that he is going to leave or have an affair. I'm so sorry Thanks

Bluntness100 · 02/01/2019 16:51

He’s already said she’s the one that got away

To be fair, the op has clarified he has said no such thing. It's her that's used those words, not him, to the op, he's very complimentary about th op etc, their sex life is good and their marriage is. And the memento thing was a decade ago, it's not recent. The wobble on her getting married was eight years ago. None of it is recent other than the recent messages where he is being flirty and complimentary and other than the naughty warning, this woman has not responded in kind.

Does the op have a problem with her husband, there is no doubt. He is flirting and coming onto an old flame. This doesn't though mean the old flame wishes to jump his bones, or that he wishes to leave the op.

She does need to talk to him though and I'd start by telling him I knew exactly what bbje meant and that it was deeply disrespectful to both her and this woman for him to post it publicly. Because even if it is a joke, many people will assume it's what people on here are assuming, he's telling her publicly she gave him th best blow job ever.

MistressDeeCee · 02/01/2019 16:56

Bailey's don't be silly, I was agreeing with what another poster had replied to you, nowhere have I addressed you directly.

I can see some people are in bunfight mode but Im entirely uninterested as it's pointless.

What's the matter with you anyway...? Who'd want to waste time being passive aggressive to you..? You're just words on a screen, same as everybody else so there's no need to centre yourself.

It's not your dilemma.

baileys6904 · 02/01/2019 17:01

Sorry @mistressdeecee, have re-read and can see now it was a generic "you" rather than a directed post.
And I agree, its not my dilemma, hence my 'prickles' raising. I do completely apologise

desperatesux · 02/01/2019 18:02

I agree, it may not be your choice that the marriage ends. I can understand you not wanting to blow up your life over this but the biggest issue isn't that he views her as the "one that got away" but that he seems to have little to no regard/love for you. He doesn't seem remotely concerned about you at all or that you might kick him to the kerb over this. This means that he simply doesn't care whether you do or not or views you as such a doormat that the chances of you taking a stand seem totally remote to him. You can fix a lot of things in relationships but not caring isn't one of them. Usually i think people are far too quick to announce LTB and while I wouldn't suggest it yet you really need to prepare for it.

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