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Married to someone with Asperger's? Support group here! (Thread 3)

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ChangerOfNameAspieThread · 29/12/2018 14:44

This thread is for partners seeking to understand the dynamics of their relationship with someone with ASD. It is a support thread, and a safe space to have a bit of a rant. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner.
(ASD partners welcome to lurk or pop in, but please don't argue with other posters and tell them they are wrong.)

Some resources from the threads so far:
www.theneurotypical.com/effects-on-differing-nd-levels.html
www.maxineaston.co.uk/cassandra/
I've probably missed some, but will try to gather them later and put in a comment for the next thread!

Previous threads:
1st thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3281058-Is-anyone-married-to-someone-with-Aspergers
2nd thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3325419-married-to-someone-with-asperger-s-support-group-here

OP posts:
Peachy2019 · 01/02/2019 17:40

Sorry typos...posting on the hoof!

friendlygal79 · 01/02/2019 18:16

Really feel for you all! What is really sad is that none of us really want to end our relationships. We obviously once loved or love our partners but living with them is extremely complex and exhausting. We also feel the guilt in discussing these issues even with one another.
My h brought up the holiday issue this morning asking me if we are going to go with the children. I did not ‘dress it up’ or ‘sugar coat’ it. I told him straight. ‘I do not want to embarrass myself by arguing with you on a holiday and ruin everyone else’s holiday’. I told him that I will not tolerate his rudeness his moods or his non participation. I have never felt as strong as I feel at the moment and I intend to continue. He has been brilliant since and iv had no problems with him for a few days

For all of you concerned about your children on the autistic spectrum, I have a DD with Asperger’s syndrome whom I could not be more proud of. There were a lot of challenging years whilst she was growing up but We engaged in all services I could access. She is now an adult with two children. She is the most amazing person you will ever meet. She is loving, caring, will do absolutely anything for anyone. If I am ill she is the first person to provide the relevant medication to me, take me to any appointments etc. She is an amazing mother, she drives and works. She has a wide friendship group and is always the person that people go to assist them with their problems as she has so much empathy. This just proves to all you amazing mums that with your support and positive parenting your little ones will reach their full potential and achieve their goals

Love to you all! 🥰🥰🥰

YenZen · 01/02/2019 19:31

@Peachy2019 I'm not thinking of leaving at present but I do wonder if someone else better suited to him (perhaps an Aspie?) would make be better for him as she wouldn't feel like she is missing something, like how I am feeling? Are Aspies happier with Aspies?

YenZen · 01/02/2019 19:32

@friendlygal79 I feel really reassured to hear that about your DD. May I ask, what specifically did you do in her childhood? And on what basis what she diagnosed or what were her symptoms?

YenZen · 01/02/2019 19:33

I think it would be really nice to have a group blog where we could write about our experiences more in-depth. If someone has time to set one up, I would be happy to contribute.

Moffa · 01/02/2019 22:27

Yenzen that’s a good idea although I fear it would be a long blog! I’ve got a decade of stuff to add in Shock

Pina - yes I think the appetite loss is because I’m scared of all the unknown factors of the future. All I care is that my kids are ok. I’m the lightest I’ve been since I got married which is a bonus!

Hope you all have nice things planned for the weekend. I’m meeting my SIL tomorrow and I can’t wait!

Wine for everyone tonight! X

PinaColada1 · 01/02/2019 22:38

@peachy yes I do torture myself about the woman DP will have next. I know he will replace me ASAP, he cannot be without a woman. I think it will be incredibly painful as I have done much of the groundwork which will make a new gf life easier, so she will not complain about things like no curtains, and he will summize that she and him are therefore more compatible. It will be so hard! He will choose a younger woman, as he is not that mature, has demonstrated that he can attract younger women, likes that status I think, and they will look up to his intelligence, nice house and job.

He’s desperate I think to be seen as a fantastic guy again and wipe the slate clean. I’ve seen too many of his flaws, and he does not like it. He also has to prove to himself and his family that he can make a new woman happy. So he will try harder than with me. As then he can show the world that our problems were because of me, or our incompatibility.

PinaColada1 · 01/02/2019 22:41

Wine and Flowers for all this weekend!

I’m out tomorrow for a meal with friends.

PinaColada1 · 01/02/2019 22:46

@friendly that sounds like a very assertive, clear chat! Very glad.

You are right I don’t want to leave DP, I just know I have to as I’ve tried and my bottom line is broken. I do feel great sadness. Tonight he asked if we could go to the cinema! My heart breaks a little. He asks maybe twice a year, it’s a big deal. But I’d already hidden away upstairs, as I often do, and he said he was too tired anyway. And it’s all such a small positive when I’m going away for a week soon with DS and he wouldn’t even consider coming too. Sad

Moffa · 02/02/2019 07:11

Pina, I read that they will often move on very quickly because they don’t have the same emotional wiring. Often it will be with someone younger or foreign (as with foreign matches they can blame any behaviour on cultural differences). Interestingly my FIL’s girlfriend is both younger and from a different culture although I think she has already had enough after two years.

I’m sure my H will move on quickly. I know it will hurt because I thought I’d won the lottery of life & love when I married him. That’s why I need to write everything down now so I can remember how this feels.

In the book ‘Broken’ her H moves on immediately & is one of the reasons she needs so much counselling because she can’t understand the immediate emotional disconnection after 13 years.

Sometimes I can’t believe this has happened to me Sad

Can anyone else identify with feeling crazy sometimes? I think at my lowest point I actually wondered if I had died and no one had told me (I’m sorry - I know that sounds weird!)

BrewFlowersCake

Peachy2019 · 02/02/2019 08:48

@pina @moffa ohh my goodness yes, I too think he’ll move on very quickly with someone younger. He’s very attractive and appears handsome, aloof and confident which means he gets female attention easily - the fact that he’s mostly oblivious to flirting and doesn’t come across as a typical player only increases his appeal. To strangers he comes across as chivalrous and so swoony to look at. What’s not to love about that? So confusing. Sometimes I wish I could turn the clock back and never have gone on that first date with him.

Ditto in that he’ll be relieved to wipe the slate clean. It’s like I’ve got way too close, said way too much and he’d be happier now with someone who doesn’t see or feel this turmoil. I know it will take a lot of talking in therapy about this to be at peace with it - right now the idea only reinforces how unlovable and invaluable I am to him.

Very much feel like I’m going mad. If I didn’t feel anything and just shut up and left him alone, we would get on fine, DP says. Nothing that I say will ever convince him that TWO way relationships just don’t look like that. My therapist is keen for me to stop attaching all of this to AS (no diagnosis after all, and no chance of getting one) and to just focus on the result....which is a broken me. Difficult to let go of the “if I just did this.....etc”

Hope you all manage to do something for yourselves today Flowers

Moffa · 02/02/2019 10:23

@peachy I think we might be married to the same man! I think my friends were all very envious when I met him - this charming, good looking man. The ones who still brave visiting don’t see him like that anymore. But I think the FB world think we have the perfect life.

Yes I suppose the downside to attributing everything to Aspergers/HFA is that it provides a reason, whereas the reality is the question ‘can you live like this?’

The thought of being here in 10 years is the catalyst for me. My parents are quite old but they are there now, willing and wanting to help me. This won’t always be an option & having their support, guidance & protection is crucial to me. Plus the DC are young so I have this chance to change their lives too.

Urgh why is it so hard?!

Moffa · 02/02/2019 10:26

I’ve set up a new bank account & I’m eBaying all non essentials. It’s quite liberating! X

nowheretorunorhide · 02/02/2019 12:07

I have got to the point now where I've realised it's not just aspergers behaviour anymore, he is also an emotionally abusive man child. I've decided I want to get out and have contacted the police about Clare's law who have referred me to mash. I've since found out two ex partners have done him for harassment when they have left, so I'm finding out all I can before I plan my escape. He love bombed me at first, then put me down, made me dependable upon him and basically trapped me and took away my independence. I have given this so much and tried to make it work, but I need to get out for me any children. His temper is too much and I wouldn't put it past him hitting me or my children if he really lost his temper. I think he is unhinged mentally and I just can't predict his behaviour

Amicrazyornot · 02/02/2019 12:51

@moffa - just picking up on what you said. I felt/feel exactly the same, like I wasn't existing and no one had told me. Actually thought a few times that it wouldn't matter if I did or not as no one would actually notice. It was one of the things that made me realize that it had to change.
It's only now I'm starting to take control that I feel more alive than I have done in the last 10+ years.
Regarding the thought of H having someone else - I would find it a blessed relief and wished for it so many times. I know I will only truly relax fully when he has "moved on" & I am not such an intense focus.
This weekend is unbearable so far. I can't do things I want to with children as he is always there, wanting to be involved and I don't want to play along happy families.
It is making me seem to be this grumpy old cow - I have to keep reminding myself that this is the most effort he has made with the children...ever & that this feeling isn't forever, it's just temporary.

Moffa · 03/02/2019 08:31

@nowheretorun I’m sorry you find yourself here. Do you think he has HFA and is it linked to the abuse? We’re all here if you need an ear. Well done for taking the first steps.

@amicrazy thank you - glad to hear I’m not the only one. I agree the thought of H meeting someone else would be a relief. He may even have more children. My H has also decided he is going to treat us to his presence this afternoon.

Last night he announced he wanted (more robotic) sex. I’ve never turned him down before (he’s turned me down lots of times, I have a higher sex drive than him) but I think because I’ve emotionally disconnected I can’t do it. I said I was tired. He stormed out and slept on the sofa. I couldn’t sleep for ages - I was envying you lot who have separate bedrooms. Two months to go..... Brew

nowheretorunorhide · 03/02/2019 10:05

I think it is linked to the abuse, but I also think it's just what he's seen growing up and think it's what's normal. I know he'll do everything to break me when I do leave and hurt me. He'll probably move on quick and pick on my insecurities about someone who is skinnier and prettier. He thinks I'm punching above my weight and is happy to tell me that. I'm not stunning but I'm not unattractive and get plenty of of male attention. He told me he would propose if I lost weight, I am a little over weight but not massively and he's over weight anyway.

Moffa · 03/02/2019 10:37

@nowheretorun I understand. I had lunch with my SIL yesterday and we talked (carefully as we had all kids with us obviously - basically both live as single parents!) about our MIL and how we see her and her life so differently now we understand what her life was like. We talked about her H and my H (brothers) and she agrees my H has all the markers of HFA as does our FIL. Her H does not have HFA, he is very obviously more tactile and loving towards her, however he has ‘learned’ behaviour from his childhood. He has a raging temper & can be so rude, among other things.

I think my H has both the HFA combined with growing up in a very toxic environment which contributes the the domestic abuse towards me, so I am in a similar position to you. How old are your DC? X

midcenturylegs · 03/02/2019 11:14

@Moffa and @YenZen I'd be happy to contribute to a blog. Does anyone know how to set up a website? I've a colleague who knows how to do that.

nowheretorunorhide · 03/02/2019 11:36

That sounds very familiar to my partners home life. I think the abusive and rude side has been learnt from his dad. My children are 6 and 3. They are from my first marriage, so no children with him, but he wants them, if I can lose weight first and prove I'm healthy lol (I carried two other with no issues what so ever).

nowheretorunorhide · 03/02/2019 11:37

I'm happy to contribute to a blog. I actually write a blog so I know how to do it

thehamsters · 03/02/2019 11:44

Ranting a bit sorry but just need to write to get off my chest as feeling the constant gnawing resentment and anger overflowing.... I'm so fed up. I resent that this marriage has gone on through my 'best years' , where the kids are young and I'm not an old bag (yet!). I should be loving every minute of life right now.

But I'm so empty inside. He is a child. There's no marriage or partnership there. I tell him what to do, he usually does it but sometimes doesn't, so I always have to check up that he's done it. He feels like he needs a pat on the back of "doing things". I have to remember everything and parent at all times and resolve disagreements between my kids and him.

I work and he works. So it's not like I have more time for this than him.

He's asked me almost every night for sex. For years. I say no almost every single time. (Not because I don't want sex. I just don't want sex with him). He doesn't look bothered but still asks, like it's part of the routine. He's never asked why I don't want it . He doesn't seem bothered to know / hasn't even occurred to him that there would be a reason probably. He's completely self centred. Even if he did ask why, and I talked about maybe trying to have less of a "parent-child" dynamic in our relationship / even if I gave him crystal clear strategies of how to "make it better", he wouldn't bother. He'd just carry on asking but change nothing in the meantime.

He is either elated and hysterically happy, or yelling in a rage. He can flit from either in the space of 5 min. He has no middle ground which is really shit when trying to parent the kids. They've no idea where they stand sometimes.

He's a good person, I think, under this all. He says, repeatedly, how much he loves me and the kids and this is all he's ever wanted. But I think it's just a narrative he tells himself. Like that's what he has learnt is good for a husband to say to his wife . He hugs me and kisses me and wants to snuggle up on the sofa. I can't remember the last time I ever voluntarily kissed him or initiated a cuddle. Literally can't remember . Years probably. How does he not notice that?!? He's never commented ? It's also never stopped him initiating it! I genuinely think he's oblivious because he's the centre of his own world and that means thinking about someone else's feelings etc. Involving some theory of mind.

We've been to counselling. He was interactive in the process but did not do ANY of the "homework" or initiate any work to make things better. I suspect just lazy/ doesn't see it as a real problem (because HEs ok...)

Or maybe it IS me?!? Maybe it's me? Maybe I'm expecting too much? Or I'm so fed up I'm now unable to see any way out of this!? Maybe I should just be content that he does jobs about the house and is usually nice to me.

Moffa · 03/02/2019 11:54

@thehamsters I think you’ve hit the going crazy stage. I think this is where OTRS (Ongoing Traumatic Relationship Syndrome) kicks in. You need a plan for your future. Flowers

Moffa · 03/02/2019 11:58

I love this print by Charlie Mackesy. It summed me up going to my GP about counselling. I think that was my ‘rock bottom’.

I’m so sad you are all here but I’m so glad I am not alone.

closetoptimist · 03/02/2019 12:17

@thehamsters I'm with you in spirit. Im feeling exactly the same. I veer from feeling utterly trapped, with high adrenaline, pain and anger, to resigning myself to the fact that I am probably expecting too much and should just put up and shut up or leave. What are these cursed invisible ties?! Ive just been to my GP and she put me on HRT (48, perimenopausal). Think H thinks its going to be a magic wand. I'm just praying it stops these devastating thoughts and feeling of helplessness.

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