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This is Crap.

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NotGoodieTwoShoes · 17/12/2018 14:13

I have obviously name changed for this. I'm struggling to understand why this has happened after 8 years.
For the past 8 years I have been involved with a man who is, at 71, nearly 10 years older than me. It is not a primary relationship for either of us but has enhanced our lives in a way I would not have thought possible, and has enabled me to stay in my main relationship which is sexless, as is his. Early on we agreed we would maintain a low level of email and telephone contact and meet up every 3 months
for lunch, an exhibition and an afternoon of sexual activity. We live over 50 mile apart.

We have always been close and loving, and concerned about each other and described it as love with a small "l". He got a bit distant with me over the summer and so I suggested our early autumn meeting be just for lunch as I was concerned he had cooled off a bit. He was quite agitated on this day and told me he had been involved in a relationship he was regretting. He had developed a friendship in a local wine bar with a woman 20 years younger than him who seemed lonely, when his wife was away for the night this woman invited him back to her house and they started a sexual relationship which continued for, on my estimation, a couple of months. He would visit her when she was "working from home" for lunch and sex, and they continued to enjoy evenings out each Friday in the wine bar. She is a single parent of 2 daughters (late teens) and works in education.

She became very demanding and wanted him to text and email her when he was away on a family holiday, was jealous if he talked to other women in the wine bar and kept on wanting to meet up with him even when he said sex could not be on offer. This relationship was being conducted almost on his door step, as they live in a small town/village in a rural area,it eventually dawned on him that his wife (who is on every local committee going) was highly likely to find out, so he stopped the meetings but is still plagued by texts and phone calls.
When he told me I thought only of what a difficult situation he had got himself into and how upset he was.
After a day or two I started to feel that he had given this woman everything that he would not give me, even if it was for a short time. I was upset that she was 10 years younger than me and "very attractive" I remembered that about a year ago he mentioned her to me in the context of a possible 3 some, which astonished and upset me.
We met again this week and he seemed very upset that I would not just forget about it, not overly apologetic. During this meeting he was trying to minimise the relationship he had been quite open about at the previous meeting.
He has been a total shit to her, I think she seriously thought that she was a contender for a proper relationship and that he might leave his wife, now he is upsetting her by reducing contact week by week. He says the "silliness" will be ended by January as he will have cut her off entirely by then.
I've come to care about him a lot, he makes my life more bearable, is funny, charismatic and although he has a number of health problems that mean the sex is not amazing I still enjoy it. He is quite good looking and a minor entertainment celebrity - on the site "nearly famous" as an actor.
My thoughts were that this would all come to an end in the next few years, that we would both be too old for that sort of relationship but now I just feel so upset that after all this time he would do this to me.
I sort of feel I would be cutting my nose off to spite my face if i ended it, I feel I should be trying to re-boot my attractiveness to establish an unassailable no 1 position. I keep thinking of him cycling to her house for a sandwich and a shag and feeling quite sick.

I'm not expecting any sympathy on here but i can't get a counselling appointment I can attend before the new year and I'm just eaten up with it today. That's all.

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noego · 17/12/2018 14:43

It seems as though you have developed feelings for this man more than you are allowing yourself to admit or have become co-dependant.
Did you set any ground rules when you both decided on this arrangement? It seems this other woman was on his radar if he was intimating at a 3some with her. Now that he has taken the steps to sleep with her and found her to be unstable he is falling back on you. If she hadn't been unstable then you might have been the one that was being dropped.
This is the danger of these kind of arrangements. There has to be a lot of maturity and understanding up front when entering them.
You'll probably get flamed on here but as an RA I can understand your naivety and sadness in this.
Find someone single who knows how to be sympathetic to your needs. I don't think this person is!! It strikes me as he is using you.
Flowers

NotGoodieTwoShoes · 17/12/2018 14:56

Thank you noego, I've spent a lot of the last 8 years thinking more of him than he probably does of me, trying to be happy with the crumbs from his table and now discovering someone else has been sitting there with the whole cake. I have never ever told anyone of his existence before posting this. He has built up my hopes of a night away, even a pub lunch or an evening out so many times. Yes, if she had been more discreet I think it would be me being dumped. He says it has just struck him that she lives too close and may not be trustworthy, she is a bit of a drinker too. Obviously he has been unfaithful big time to his wife with her, but he has been unfaithful to me too and I'm struggling with it.

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noego · 17/12/2018 15:04

So now you know the truth. Like I said in PP I'm an RA so don't hold with conventional relationships.
It's up to you. Can you continue the relationship knowing this? Or is it time to move on and find someone else?

merville · 17/12/2018 15:08

Sorry to be so blunt but why are you surprised that a cheater cheated?

Did you agree to an exclusive Feb/to be exclusive affair partners?

Apparently not if he actually suggested a threesome at one point.

merville · 17/12/2018 15:09

Fwb not Feb.

Trinity66 · 17/12/2018 15:09

What's an RA? Presumably someone who doesn't believe in monogamy? That's well and good but don't be a scumbag and pretend to you OH that you do and fuck around behind their backs. If you don't believe in monogamy tell that to the people you're having relationships with.

Does you DH know about your affair with this guy OP, I'm assuming that mans wife doesn't either. I have zero sympathy for you

merville · 17/12/2018 15:10

Either you didn't or you assumed/hoped so and he did not.

If you didn't agree to be exclusive then v strictly speaking he did nothing wrong (apart from being a serial cheater on his wife).

something2say · 17/12/2018 15:11

It reads to me that you like and love him more than your husband, but to me he doesn't sound very nice really.

He's unfaithful, he's cheated on you too now, he sits there while you're hurting and doesn't care, and now you're on here upset and he's the cause but not the solution.

I'd say, you're 61. You've got 20 years of love left to enjoy. Sack off both of these men and find what you are looking for xxx

MawkishTwaddle · 17/12/2018 15:11

He sounds like a shagger. A very immature one, at that.

You can do better than a mucky old luvvy. Get rid.

merville · 17/12/2018 15:12

You could continue with him, struggle to get past his other affair partner, worry about his next affair, do the pick me dance etc etc.

Or you could get out of the situation and go cold turkey. Won't be easy or pleasant but probably the best possible thing for your health and happiness.

GrandmaJane · 17/12/2018 15:13

Ah, sweetie, sack him. It’s the man he is. Don’t worry about this newish woman, she’s nothing to do with you. Ask only “Am I happy, now, with this relationship as it is?” And if you’re not, text him that it’s over - no reason necessary - delete him from everything and plan some nice things to do without him.

merville · 17/12/2018 15:14

Men like this are often charming, have magnetism, charisma, a big high status (money, fame, social standing etc.). He's a cliche.

Heartofglass21 · 17/12/2018 15:14

RA?

Kennycalmit · 17/12/2018 15:22

How did you meet him?

Deep down can you honestly say you’re surprised? I mean, you’ve been having an affair (yes, that’s what it is) with this man for 8 years. He’s been lying to his wife for all that time, he’s kept you a secret for 8 whole years - can you really say you’re surprised he’s done this? Do you really think that this is the only time he’s been with somebody else other than you (and his wife)? I doubt it. You and her are probably one of many. If he can travel 50 miles for you every 3 months he’s probably travelling elsewhere every other month for other women aswell. You can’t believe him when he promises he hasn’t either.

He’s given you crumbs for 8 years. You’ve pretended to be fine with it. You aren’t special to him, you said yourself he promises you things but doesn’t deliver such as overnight stays etc. You suit him because you’re a safe option - you live far away from his wife and village so therefore the chances of him getting caught are incredibly slim.

I’m not judging you because I know life isn’t always black and white but I’m being honest. I don’t blame you for not wanting a divorce and all the hassle in your 60s. I just don’t think you mean that much to this man as you’d like to think. He gets a nice day out and sex every 3 months without having to put in much effort and he knows he’s very unlikely to be caught out. It’s easy for him.

near50andgotiddintesco · 17/12/2018 15:34

He’s a cheater and he’s cheated on you because he was getting sex easier then you were offering it.

Sorry. But you can hardly be surprised.

NotGoodieTwoShoes · 17/12/2018 15:45

I suppose I felt it was love because he is not particularly well off (less well off than me) and not in a position to give me more than his company from time to time. I really could have coped with him having a one night stand or a fling with someone else not in his village. If he was lonely or wanted more i'd have given it. What I don't understand is that the day after they first slept together and he got home and thought it was a bad idea he didn't call her and say "it was wonderful but it can't happen again" he trotted round there in broad daylight for second (and at least third and fourth)helpings over the next few weeks. I wish he hadn't told me because I'm now wondering if she got dressed up for him, how they did it etc. etc. and it is really getting to me. Up until now it has enhanced my life, now I'm really unhappy. I've recently had a bad experience with a toxic relation and I went no contact with one branch of my family to keep my sanity, but that has badly backfired on me. If i finish it with him I just feel I'll make myself more unhappy.

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Trinity66 · 17/12/2018 15:59

The only person he's cheated on is his wife, not you

Itiswhatitisso · 17/12/2018 16:12

I completely understand, and it's a weird feeling. You, like me, aren't jealous of his primary relationship - but you feel that you have some exclusivity with him outside of that.

I had to be very honest with myself that i couldn't be one of many others, we had to be exclusive, even though it's all strange because afterall, we are cheating on our partners!

If he can't give you what you want, then don't put up with the hurt and find someone else who can.

noego · 17/12/2018 16:12

RA = Relationship Anarchist.

OP, if you have an NSA affair partner they are exactly that. If you build it up to anything else you will end up unhappy.

Find someone who can deliver what you need on equal terms. It is easier.

stabulous · 17/12/2018 16:15

Bin him. He sounds absolutely dreadful.

Trinity66 · 17/12/2018 16:17

RA = Relationship Anarchist

Thanks Grin

That's fair enough but I think misleading someone who's thinks they're in relationship is just unfair & nasty

FlosCampi · 17/12/2018 16:19

Oh I had guessed RA meant reciprocal arrangement ie both are extra marital affairs!

noego · 17/12/2018 16:22

@Trinity

That's fair enough but I think misleading someone who's thinks they're in relationship is just unfair & nasty

Do the research before you comment and judge. It's not for everyone but its okay for me and my relationship partners. I am single BTW.

ZoeZebra1 · 17/12/2018 16:23

Does the person you are in a primary relationship with know about this man?

beerandpopcorn · 17/12/2018 16:24

@MawkishTwaddle
Haha!! Mucky old luvvy 😂😂