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This is Crap.

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NotGoodieTwoShoes · 17/12/2018 14:13

I have obviously name changed for this. I'm struggling to understand why this has happened after 8 years.
For the past 8 years I have been involved with a man who is, at 71, nearly 10 years older than me. It is not a primary relationship for either of us but has enhanced our lives in a way I would not have thought possible, and has enabled me to stay in my main relationship which is sexless, as is his. Early on we agreed we would maintain a low level of email and telephone contact and meet up every 3 months
for lunch, an exhibition and an afternoon of sexual activity. We live over 50 mile apart.

We have always been close and loving, and concerned about each other and described it as love with a small "l". He got a bit distant with me over the summer and so I suggested our early autumn meeting be just for lunch as I was concerned he had cooled off a bit. He was quite agitated on this day and told me he had been involved in a relationship he was regretting. He had developed a friendship in a local wine bar with a woman 20 years younger than him who seemed lonely, when his wife was away for the night this woman invited him back to her house and they started a sexual relationship which continued for, on my estimation, a couple of months. He would visit her when she was "working from home" for lunch and sex, and they continued to enjoy evenings out each Friday in the wine bar. She is a single parent of 2 daughters (late teens) and works in education.

She became very demanding and wanted him to text and email her when he was away on a family holiday, was jealous if he talked to other women in the wine bar and kept on wanting to meet up with him even when he said sex could not be on offer. This relationship was being conducted almost on his door step, as they live in a small town/village in a rural area,it eventually dawned on him that his wife (who is on every local committee going) was highly likely to find out, so he stopped the meetings but is still plagued by texts and phone calls.
When he told me I thought only of what a difficult situation he had got himself into and how upset he was.
After a day or two I started to feel that he had given this woman everything that he would not give me, even if it was for a short time. I was upset that she was 10 years younger than me and "very attractive" I remembered that about a year ago he mentioned her to me in the context of a possible 3 some, which astonished and upset me.
We met again this week and he seemed very upset that I would not just forget about it, not overly apologetic. During this meeting he was trying to minimise the relationship he had been quite open about at the previous meeting.
He has been a total shit to her, I think she seriously thought that she was a contender for a proper relationship and that he might leave his wife, now he is upsetting her by reducing contact week by week. He says the "silliness" will be ended by January as he will have cut her off entirely by then.
I've come to care about him a lot, he makes my life more bearable, is funny, charismatic and although he has a number of health problems that mean the sex is not amazing I still enjoy it. He is quite good looking and a minor entertainment celebrity - on the site "nearly famous" as an actor.
My thoughts were that this would all come to an end in the next few years, that we would both be too old for that sort of relationship but now I just feel so upset that after all this time he would do this to me.
I sort of feel I would be cutting my nose off to spite my face if i ended it, I feel I should be trying to re-boot my attractiveness to establish an unassailable no 1 position. I keep thinking of him cycling to her house for a sandwich and a shag and feeling quite sick.

I'm not expecting any sympathy on here but i can't get a counselling appointment I can attend before the new year and I'm just eaten up with it today. That's all.

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HeebieJeebies456 · 18/12/2018 15:18

he's probably got a lot more women on the go that you don't know about OP....ditch both partners that are dragging you down and go find a more satisfying life and relationship.

Redglitter · 18/12/2018 15:47

Oh dont be so pedantic. You haven't said you're married you did however say . It is not a primary relationship for either of us

So you either have a husband or partner. Either way they deserve better than you lying to and cheating on them.

Its not you who deserves better its them & your OMs wife who do

Trinity66 · 18/12/2018 16:11

Its not you who deserves better its them & your OMs wife who do

Hear, hear! I can't believe the amount of sympathisers this person has. If she were a man posting she would be ripped to shreds (and rightly so aswell)

I have had a conversation with my AP that although in many ways it seems like given we are already cheating on our partners, I still would not wish to be anything other than exclusively his only AP.

and why do you think you deserve loyalty but your OH and his don't? Do they not understand you, is it?

PerverseConverse · 18/12/2018 16:16

Eeuww.

Does he have shares in Pfizer?

Calzone · 18/12/2018 17:04

🤢

NotGoodieTwoShoes · 19/12/2018 09:19

Another day, more thoughts. WE all know that when someone tells us not to do something it makes us want to do it all the more, and that telling someone a relationship is not good for us makes us move towards it rather than away. The first few responses i got yesterday encouraged me to think about myself and what I wanted and needed and how i had got to this point with this relationship. By lunchtime i was almost thinking of ending it, I could see in its present form it was not good for me or really what I wanted.

I found the first few responses being unpleasant about him, his age and disabilities quite funny, but then I thought it was cruel, that was not what I wanted h;i;m judged on and i'd only mentioned them as reasons i thought he would be exclusive in his EMA with me. By the afternoon I didn't want to end it at all, but to reshape it from a position of strength,. I hope this will happen, and given the fact we only meet quarterly I will give it another two meetings. if things are not better then I will end it. I really am going now, back to my old name and spiritual homes in The Tack Room and Style and Beauty. Thanks for your help.

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PerverseConverse · 19/12/2018 09:52
Biscuit
MawkishTwaddle · 19/12/2018 09:55

You’re barmy.

Happy Christmas.

stabulous · 19/12/2018 10:12

😶

This is Crap.
NotGoodieTwoShoes · 19/12/2018 10:18

I wish, no not Patrick Stewart.

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Bugbabe1970 · 19/12/2018 10:32

He's using both of you, and who knows, he might also be involved in more affairs.
I'd get myself checked out at the GUM clinic OP.

stabulous · 19/12/2018 11:09

Mate you can do better then this; really. He's having a whale of a time and you're here on Mumsnet in the midst of a thread where your switching decisions are polarised.

merville · 19/12/2018 11:33

On lawd, why don't you just get a self flagellation ship and be done with it.

merville · 19/12/2018 11:34

Whip not ship, fkg autocorrect

merville · 19/12/2018 11:35

He doesn't want an exclusive affair with you.
You don't seem happy with a non exclusive one.
There's no point, it's not going to work out for you.

merville · 19/12/2018 11:36

You won't get a position of strength. You'll just make yourself (more) unhappy trying to.

Itiswhatitisso · 19/12/2018 11:52

I think you need to have a very open and honest conversation about what you both need. 4 times a year may suit you well, but if he wants more he will supplement with someone else perhaps?

TemptressofWaikiki · 19/12/2018 11:54

You deserve everything you get. Well, except sympathy.

NotGoodieTwoShoes · 19/12/2018 12:10

He has always been the 4 x per year enthusiast. I will be asking to add some interim meetings which would just be a gallery and lunch or to meet up in London where we both visit. I will be discussing exclusivity with him for our EMA, we have never discussed it before and if he will not offer that now I will end it. I do think he has seen the error of his ways and realised that his original idea about an affair - being a bit like participating in a squash ladder - is far from the mark.

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MawkishTwaddle · 19/12/2018 12:48

Can I just ask, what do you actually get out of this relationship with him?

I mean, you could take yourself to a gallery and have a nice lunch four times a year, without having to dress up in a crotchless gimp suit or whatever, and star in a rubbish little amateur porn film with Captain Viagra.

I don't get it. I mean, whose conversation is that good?

minmooch · 19/12/2018 14:02

If your primary relationship is sexless What I don't get is why you want a relationship with a man who has ED that doesn't always respond to medication and expects you to participate in sexual activities you don't even enjoy. I mean what is the actual point?

If you are going to cheat on your partner I'd think you'd st least want some decent sex?

merville · 19/12/2018 14:25

You can ask for exclusivity but he may not be honest.

You wouldn't know he wasn't being.

He lies to his wife, you only knew about the younger woman because he told you (which he might not do again now that he knows you're not ok with it), and he won't want to lose his long-term reliable stalwart sex partner who does whatever he wants sexually (even when it does little for her).

You said you've come to love him, I don't think he's come to love you and you're just going to get more hurt etc here.

NotGoodieTwoShoes · 19/12/2018 14:59

Well, I am feeling a better understanding of myself after thinking about this and reading the comments. I am very certain that if he is "unfaithful" to me again I will not continue with the relationship. I don't know why I want to be with him, I just find his presence electric. He only has to smile at me and I feel happy and excited. Those 4 days a year are something I look forward to so much. None of this is logical. I think he has scared himself silly by getting involved with someone living so locally and he doesn't have that much scope to behave badly a distance away as it actually takes quite a while to get to the nearest large town to his village. He spends a lot of his days working with a colleague on a new project.

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TemptressofWaikiki · 19/12/2018 16:02

You are seriously deluded. And you lack complete empathy for his actual wife. You know, the one who is being cheated on! He is not being ‘unfaithful’ to you. It’s one thing to be poly-amorous or have sex with someone else than your ‘primary’ partner but you discuss it and give said partner an informed choice if they are ok with it. I seriously cannot believe the nerve to come on here to whine about the person you are cheating on your partner with. You fucking deserve it! With bells on. Doesn’t feel good does it…? Well, you are doing it to someone else. Hope your ‘primary’ finds out and kicks you to the kerb.

NotGoodieTwoShoes · 19/12/2018 16:20

TemptressofWaikiki I fully understand your views, as I have acknowledged to several other who share them. I don't suppose there would be any "kicking to the kerb" by either partner if they found out, too many changes for those who like the status quo. Situations are different with older couples and clearly sex is not a big issue for my partner or
his wife. A maximum of 12 hours a year seems to be little to ask for.

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