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This is Crap.

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NotGoodieTwoShoes · 17/12/2018 14:13

I have obviously name changed for this. I'm struggling to understand why this has happened after 8 years.
For the past 8 years I have been involved with a man who is, at 71, nearly 10 years older than me. It is not a primary relationship for either of us but has enhanced our lives in a way I would not have thought possible, and has enabled me to stay in my main relationship which is sexless, as is his. Early on we agreed we would maintain a low level of email and telephone contact and meet up every 3 months
for lunch, an exhibition and an afternoon of sexual activity. We live over 50 mile apart.

We have always been close and loving, and concerned about each other and described it as love with a small "l". He got a bit distant with me over the summer and so I suggested our early autumn meeting be just for lunch as I was concerned he had cooled off a bit. He was quite agitated on this day and told me he had been involved in a relationship he was regretting. He had developed a friendship in a local wine bar with a woman 20 years younger than him who seemed lonely, when his wife was away for the night this woman invited him back to her house and they started a sexual relationship which continued for, on my estimation, a couple of months. He would visit her when she was "working from home" for lunch and sex, and they continued to enjoy evenings out each Friday in the wine bar. She is a single parent of 2 daughters (late teens) and works in education.

She became very demanding and wanted him to text and email her when he was away on a family holiday, was jealous if he talked to other women in the wine bar and kept on wanting to meet up with him even when he said sex could not be on offer. This relationship was being conducted almost on his door step, as they live in a small town/village in a rural area,it eventually dawned on him that his wife (who is on every local committee going) was highly likely to find out, so he stopped the meetings but is still plagued by texts and phone calls.
When he told me I thought only of what a difficult situation he had got himself into and how upset he was.
After a day or two I started to feel that he had given this woman everything that he would not give me, even if it was for a short time. I was upset that she was 10 years younger than me and "very attractive" I remembered that about a year ago he mentioned her to me in the context of a possible 3 some, which astonished and upset me.
We met again this week and he seemed very upset that I would not just forget about it, not overly apologetic. During this meeting he was trying to minimise the relationship he had been quite open about at the previous meeting.
He has been a total shit to her, I think she seriously thought that she was a contender for a proper relationship and that he might leave his wife, now he is upsetting her by reducing contact week by week. He says the "silliness" will be ended by January as he will have cut her off entirely by then.
I've come to care about him a lot, he makes my life more bearable, is funny, charismatic and although he has a number of health problems that mean the sex is not amazing I still enjoy it. He is quite good looking and a minor entertainment celebrity - on the site "nearly famous" as an actor.
My thoughts were that this would all come to an end in the next few years, that we would both be too old for that sort of relationship but now I just feel so upset that after all this time he would do this to me.
I sort of feel I would be cutting my nose off to spite my face if i ended it, I feel I should be trying to re-boot my attractiveness to establish an unassailable no 1 position. I keep thinking of him cycling to her house for a sandwich and a shag and feeling quite sick.

I'm not expecting any sympathy on here but i can't get a counselling appointment I can attend before the new year and I'm just eaten up with it today. That's all.

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Orange6904 · 20/12/2018 12:04

You can dress it up however you want but he's a user. I feel for the unknowing parties, doesn't matter what age you are, betrayal of trust hurts.

Redglitter · 20/12/2018 12:09

Youre really in no position to complain. Hrs cheating with you, you really cant get indignant when he then cheats on you.

showmethegin · 20/12/2018 12:13

For what it's worth I wouldn't tell his wife. "Excuse me, I'm having an affair with your husband but now he's cheating on me too". Worlds smallest violin.

Kennycalmit · 20/12/2018 12:33

I felt sorry for you to begin with. Now I just think you’re a fool

he doesn’t care about you. He is using you

What part of that don’t you understand? This man doesn’t give a shite about you, his wife or this other woman. The only person he cares about is himself! He has everything he could possibly want - you chug along to meet up with him whenever he clicks his fingers. Communication is on his terms. You give him whatever sex he wants. That’s all you are to him - someone he shags 4 times a year. He will not give you any more, he doesn’t want to give you any more!!

If you aren’t happy in your primary relationship then leave but my god you are making yourself look desperate and ridiculous. Ask yourself this - why on earth would he give you more commitment/exclusivity or whatever you wanna call it, when he’s already getting everything he wants without the hassle?

Why are you checking up on a man who’s married? He’s not being unfaithful to you, it’s his wife that he’s being unfaithful to.

I feel this woman means more to him than you ever have done. He’s already offering her more than he’s ever offered you, and don’t lie to yourself that it’s only because she’ll tell his wife.

MaybeDoctor · 20/12/2018 12:53

I believe in marriage and monogamy, especially where children are involved, but recognise that this is clearly not an easy or entirely natural state for humans. Or why would adultery be so prevalent?

Long relationships/marriages can move into entirely different territory to relationships in their first 10-15 years. So there may be good reasons why the OP feels she cannot leave.

OP, the thing that gets me is: the sex isn’t even that good for you. What is the point, really?

subspace · 20/12/2018 13:48

If primary partner is so disinterested in discussing your sex life and is nothing more than a room mate then tell him you want an open relationship. He'll probably not even look up from behind the telegraph and say that's nice dear go ahead.

You have no kids, there's no reason why you two couldn't split amicably and maintain the same friendships and lifestyle, hell, even stay living in the same house as actual room mates. You'd then be free to pursue decent dick honestly.

Of course you won't tell his wife. That runs the risk of somebody telling your partner.

NotGoodieTwoShoes · 20/12/2018 13:55

I am just about to start a new thread which I will link to this one as i am knocked sideways by some developments this afternoon. Basically everyone else was right and I was wrong, see you there.

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LilyMumsnet · 20/12/2018 14:38

Hi OP

Probably best to keep it all on one thread (unless this one gets full, of course).

subspace · 20/12/2018 14:40

What a drama llama you are. New thread, snooping on your affair partner, gossiping about him with his other, other woman...

I hate to make it awkward but any thoughts on the whole, tell your partner you want to shag other people and either open the relationship or just be friends, thing?

KlutzyDraconequus · 20/12/2018 14:46

I read the other threads 'Update'

Quite simply op, your levels of self respect and boundaries are worryingly low. You need to work on that and stop begging for scraps from a man using you as a mastabatory aid.

subspace · 20/12/2018 14:59

and have some more respect for the other humans around you. Like your partner^

NotGoodieTwoShoes · 20/12/2018 15:18

I won't be seeing him again!!!! or contacting him again, though I think the other OW, who for anyone who did get to read the update has in fact been seeing him for 3 years and says he loves her and she loves him was extremely nice. I have bowed out and left them to sort themselves out in whatever way suits them.

i din't publish the update for any other reason than feeling even more astonished now than before. lesson learned about trusting people you have been warned against.

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Ellisandra · 20/12/2018 15:18

All this angst and yet the sex is shit for you. ED and wants to dress you in uncomfortable shoes that you don’t enjoy? Great Confused

Time indeed for that counselling.

No amount of “oh older people” and “unconventional relationships” disguises the fact that it sounds like his wife doesn’t know.

That makes him a total arsehole.

It doesn’t reflect well on you either.

Heartofglass21 · 20/12/2018 16:22

So your secondary relationship has another woman on the side, in addition to you and his wife? If you are a genuine relationship anarchist, why has it upset you so much? Did you think you were more to him than a quarterly shag?

Perhaps you should be a bit more conventional, get divorced from your disinterested husband, and start dating on a 1:1 basis. Anything's better than being third best, surely?

Calzone · 20/12/2018 20:02

🙄

Redglitter · 21/12/2018 06:26

has in fact been seeing him for 3 years and says he loves her and she loves him

So the cheater cheats - what a shock.
Sounds very much like karma to me

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