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This is Crap.

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NotGoodieTwoShoes · 17/12/2018 14:13

I have obviously name changed for this. I'm struggling to understand why this has happened after 8 years.
For the past 8 years I have been involved with a man who is, at 71, nearly 10 years older than me. It is not a primary relationship for either of us but has enhanced our lives in a way I would not have thought possible, and has enabled me to stay in my main relationship which is sexless, as is his. Early on we agreed we would maintain a low level of email and telephone contact and meet up every 3 months
for lunch, an exhibition and an afternoon of sexual activity. We live over 50 mile apart.

We have always been close and loving, and concerned about each other and described it as love with a small "l". He got a bit distant with me over the summer and so I suggested our early autumn meeting be just for lunch as I was concerned he had cooled off a bit. He was quite agitated on this day and told me he had been involved in a relationship he was regretting. He had developed a friendship in a local wine bar with a woman 20 years younger than him who seemed lonely, when his wife was away for the night this woman invited him back to her house and they started a sexual relationship which continued for, on my estimation, a couple of months. He would visit her when she was "working from home" for lunch and sex, and they continued to enjoy evenings out each Friday in the wine bar. She is a single parent of 2 daughters (late teens) and works in education.

She became very demanding and wanted him to text and email her when he was away on a family holiday, was jealous if he talked to other women in the wine bar and kept on wanting to meet up with him even when he said sex could not be on offer. This relationship was being conducted almost on his door step, as they live in a small town/village in a rural area,it eventually dawned on him that his wife (who is on every local committee going) was highly likely to find out, so he stopped the meetings but is still plagued by texts and phone calls.
When he told me I thought only of what a difficult situation he had got himself into and how upset he was.
After a day or two I started to feel that he had given this woman everything that he would not give me, even if it was for a short time. I was upset that she was 10 years younger than me and "very attractive" I remembered that about a year ago he mentioned her to me in the context of a possible 3 some, which astonished and upset me.
We met again this week and he seemed very upset that I would not just forget about it, not overly apologetic. During this meeting he was trying to minimise the relationship he had been quite open about at the previous meeting.
He has been a total shit to her, I think she seriously thought that she was a contender for a proper relationship and that he might leave his wife, now he is upsetting her by reducing contact week by week. He says the "silliness" will be ended by January as he will have cut her off entirely by then.
I've come to care about him a lot, he makes my life more bearable, is funny, charismatic and although he has a number of health problems that mean the sex is not amazing I still enjoy it. He is quite good looking and a minor entertainment celebrity - on the site "nearly famous" as an actor.
My thoughts were that this would all come to an end in the next few years, that we would both be too old for that sort of relationship but now I just feel so upset that after all this time he would do this to me.
I sort of feel I would be cutting my nose off to spite my face if i ended it, I feel I should be trying to re-boot my attractiveness to establish an unassailable no 1 position. I keep thinking of him cycling to her house for a sandwich and a shag and feeling quite sick.

I'm not expecting any sympathy on here but i can't get a counselling appointment I can attend before the new year and I'm just eaten up with it today. That's all.

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TemptressofWaikiki · 19/12/2018 17:01

Well, the fact that your side guy is terrified about his wife finding out about the other side chick tells me that it is a far bigger issue than you make it out to be. How about you, why not ask your actual partner then?

Noviceoftheweek · 19/12/2018 17:13

The whole thing sounds sordid and grubby.

Graphista · 19/12/2018 17:55

"I don't suppose there would be any "kicking to the kerb" by either partner if they found out, too many changes for those who like the status quo. Situations are different with older couples and clearly sex is not a big issue for my partner or
his wife. A maximum of 12 hours a year seems to be little to ask for."

Great - so tell your partner, be honest and you can carry on... Oh wait, except if that were true, if you really believed that then in 8 years you'd have likely said something to your partner, confident they wouldn't dump you and everything would be dandy.

Age is no excuse, cheating is always a betrayal, but I think you know that.

Redglitter · 19/12/2018 18:59

Still amazed at people saying the OP can 'do better' Shes having a bloody affair with a married man AND cheating on her partner

Considering OW are usually persona non grata on here im stunned at how much sympathy is being given

TemptressofWaikiki · 19/12/2018 19:18

@Redglitter Exactly! I am gobsmacked by the total CFery of the OP to whinge about being cheated on by the person she is cheating with. What the actual fuck! It's a bit like a thief complaining about someone stealing from him what he has stolen...

Calzone · 19/12/2018 21:24

I’m dying to know who you really are on here......

Still sordid
Grubby
Nasty.

NotGoodieTwoShoes · 19/12/2018 21:52

Who I really am? I've been on mumsnet for over 10 years, post mainly in the tack room,style and beauty and give the odd bit of legal advice. I have reported your post as nothing but abuse, quite happy for constructive criticism.

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Calzone · 19/12/2018 22:10

🤷🏼‍♀️

Calzone · 19/12/2018 22:11

I’ve never been reported before..... 🤞🏻

I still stand by what I said though.

The situation is sordid and grubby.

TemptressofWaikiki · 20/12/2018 00:59

Yep, totally agree with @Calzone. There are so many posters who are going through hell due to cheating partners and if this is for real, then you are unbelievably self-centred.

alvinp · 20/12/2018 05:44

This thread has some really considered and articulate viewpoints. And some unnecessarily judgemental ones.

OP, I've been cheated on and it was devastating. But I understand why things aren't always that simple. I have known older couples where there is an unconventional arrangement, and people are generally happy. Sometimes leaving things unsaid can work, there may be few of any benefits from breaking that equilibrium. If people are being kind and caring, why should others judge?

minmooch · 20/12/2018 07:14

We all know that life isn't always that simple ........

But for the op to be surprised that the man she is cheating with, who is cheating on his wife with her, is also cheating on his mistress is just plain madness.

It all sounds so sordid and disrespectful on all sides.

Op - your other man is a serial liar and cheater. He has told you that, shown you that. You now know that he is (if you hadn't already as he was lying and cheating when with you). Stay with him if you must but that is what you will have signed up for.

He is disrespectful to his wife and both mistresses.

For some reason I'm guessing that your 'primary' could be a woman, not that it matters, but that is my only explanation for you agreeing to unsatisfactory sex 4 times a year. I just don't get it.

subspace · 20/12/2018 07:46

I'm wondering at what point does the needs and desires of your primary partner come into consideration for you? He (I've assumed a malemale) doesn't know you are cheating on him and presumably wouldn't consent to an open relationship. Your affair partner's wife didn't know and consent either. I have the utmost respect for people in open relationships, but that's not what yours is. You can 'splain older people's sex lives and the concept of forbidden fruit all you like, but you're still doing a morally reprehensible thing and won't get much sympathy here.

NotGoodieTwoShoes · 20/12/2018 09:23

Well, there has been a big development. I said to M (not his real initial) that I would like to talk to him by phone before Christmas, as i was hopeful things were sorting themselves out. The week before when we met for our usual quarterly meeting he told me that OW was now rationed to a couple of texts a week and that if they met in public she was not allowed to talk about "them" only general stuff, he was also not going out sociialy to any where local without being accompanied by a family member.

Anyway, he suggested we chat on Tuesday as he had work meetings in London on Wednesday and Thursday ( I know about them, they wre genuine) and a lunch to go to on Friday. When I said "lucky you, a christmas lunch" he told me that it was with his rambling club and that they liked him to go as he presented the annual joke awards, and that he was looking forward to it because there had been trouble getting the usual venue (don't know where that is). I know he has done this in the past but I smelt a rat, so I telephoned the chair of the rambling club and asked about the lunch. She said that the lunch was last week!!!

I texted him to ask if he was sure about the lunch on Friday and then of course it came out that he was taking her out to lunch. She had just said to him when they were in the wine bar that it would be nice to meet for lunch before Christmas, and he thought she might tell his wife if he said no, so he said yes, and realised i would be very upset (too right, there would have been no sex last week if I'd known he had this planned) He seems to think I won't tell his wife, and I probably won't. We had a huge argument on the phone last night and he pleaded with me not to let it get out as his children would be upset (one is late twenties and lives a long way away, seldom goes home. His daughter is adult and has recently been in a relationship with the local drug dealer.) I am waiting to see what his email this morning brings.

subspace. For the last 25 years of my relationship I have been trying to get a response. This is met by my partner hiding behind "what car" saying he has just found a copy of the daily Telegraph in our hotel room and he wants to read that. I think the worst birthday treat away was when I spent a fortune on lovely tasteful underwear to be met with "no now, I 'm reading the wine list for later" When I try to talk about it he just says he is a prude and not interested in sex. He declines counselling and the away a book I bought about slowly getting back into sex through non sexual massage etc. We don't do much domestic stuff ourselves as we both work full time but really we live together like flatmates.

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KlutzyDraconequus · 20/12/2018 09:29

we live together like flatmates

Then leave him.

That's the thing with cheating arses.
If you're not happy, leave, noone is forcing you to stay.

Grown ups acting like Jeremy kyle guests, it's pitiable, seedy and grim as fuck.
You may as well be the guys wank sock, that's all you are to him, a tool for his gratification.

Merry Christmas

Itiswhatitisso · 20/12/2018 09:30

Oh, I know what it's like to have a dead bedroom, or at least one on life support.

And I understand why we both have found other people to meet our needs. But honestly, this guy is treating you with no respect. Lying to you? Making what you do sexually all about his fantasies and needs?

It sounds like he sounded like a safe bet to you, a man with few other options so no competition from other women. You can do better.

Itiswhatitisso · 20/12/2018 09:40

Leaving isn't always easy. If you have children and a life that will be ripped apart with you as the 'bad' person because the only thing wrong was an absolutely awful sex life?

I can't do that- but when you meet someone who is going through the same thing and together you can forge something that meets your needs.

We would never leave our partners for each other, it's no threat to our primary relationships, but he's the friend I need.

bluebell34567 · 20/12/2018 09:52

totally agree with KlutzyDraconequus.

Myotherusernamewastakenagain · 20/12/2018 10:28

Name change fail?

KlutzyDraconequus · 20/12/2018 10:37

Leaving isn't always easy.
True, but only in the case of violence or domestic abuse.

If you have children and a life that will be ripped apart with you as the 'bad' person because the only thing wrong was an absolutely awful sex life?

This is the shitty end of the shitty stick that people use to justify their shitty behaviour.
Unless there's an agreement within the relationship that means both parties can sleep with who they like, cheating is scummy behaviour.

So what if the sex life is bad?
Does that really excuse lying to someone every second of every hour of every day?
Does that excuse the breaking of trusts that a partner has in the other? Does that excuse the pretence you put on for the children? Cause they're being lied to daily as well.

"Here you go kids, our life is good and your mummy and daddy love each other very much" aww a nice lie to tell them to their faces everyday.

When all these lies and all this shit comes out, it'll be a nuclear blast of a storm instead of being honest and open and walking away from a relationship that isn't working.

Happy new year to your kids. Enjoy lying to them whilst the sword of Damocles hangs above their life.

Closetbeanmuncher · 20/12/2018 10:49

Why are you wasting your time investigating his whereabouts?

You already know what he is he's proved it time and time again. If this was just about getting a sexual need met then one woman would be enough for him bit it isn't is it, and it's not ever going to be.

I just can't understand for the life of me why your scratching around for crumbs from this idiots table.

Each to their own sexually but if he's asking you do do things youre not comfortable with you're also not getting your needs met.

Please, please respect yourself and end this madness.

I don't mind to be cruel but as another poster said it does sound Jeremy kyle eaque Confused

Closetbeanmuncher · 20/12/2018 10:50

*esque

Closetbeanmuncher · 20/12/2018 10:53

Have you ever broached the subject of an open relationship with your husband and would you be willing to do so?

NotGoodieTwoShoes · 20/12/2018 10:54

My children have long since grown up and left home, as have his.

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minmooch · 20/12/2018 11:16

The more you write the more hateful and deceitful this man sounds. Why can you not see him as he is?

Why lower yourself?

At 60 odd you should know better.