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This is Crap.

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NotGoodieTwoShoes · 17/12/2018 14:13

I have obviously name changed for this. I'm struggling to understand why this has happened after 8 years.
For the past 8 years I have been involved with a man who is, at 71, nearly 10 years older than me. It is not a primary relationship for either of us but has enhanced our lives in a way I would not have thought possible, and has enabled me to stay in my main relationship which is sexless, as is his. Early on we agreed we would maintain a low level of email and telephone contact and meet up every 3 months
for lunch, an exhibition and an afternoon of sexual activity. We live over 50 mile apart.

We have always been close and loving, and concerned about each other and described it as love with a small "l". He got a bit distant with me over the summer and so I suggested our early autumn meeting be just for lunch as I was concerned he had cooled off a bit. He was quite agitated on this day and told me he had been involved in a relationship he was regretting. He had developed a friendship in a local wine bar with a woman 20 years younger than him who seemed lonely, when his wife was away for the night this woman invited him back to her house and they started a sexual relationship which continued for, on my estimation, a couple of months. He would visit her when she was "working from home" for lunch and sex, and they continued to enjoy evenings out each Friday in the wine bar. She is a single parent of 2 daughters (late teens) and works in education.

She became very demanding and wanted him to text and email her when he was away on a family holiday, was jealous if he talked to other women in the wine bar and kept on wanting to meet up with him even when he said sex could not be on offer. This relationship was being conducted almost on his door step, as they live in a small town/village in a rural area,it eventually dawned on him that his wife (who is on every local committee going) was highly likely to find out, so he stopped the meetings but is still plagued by texts and phone calls.
When he told me I thought only of what a difficult situation he had got himself into and how upset he was.
After a day or two I started to feel that he had given this woman everything that he would not give me, even if it was for a short time. I was upset that she was 10 years younger than me and "very attractive" I remembered that about a year ago he mentioned her to me in the context of a possible 3 some, which astonished and upset me.
We met again this week and he seemed very upset that I would not just forget about it, not overly apologetic. During this meeting he was trying to minimise the relationship he had been quite open about at the previous meeting.
He has been a total shit to her, I think she seriously thought that she was a contender for a proper relationship and that he might leave his wife, now he is upsetting her by reducing contact week by week. He says the "silliness" will be ended by January as he will have cut her off entirely by then.
I've come to care about him a lot, he makes my life more bearable, is funny, charismatic and although he has a number of health problems that mean the sex is not amazing I still enjoy it. He is quite good looking and a minor entertainment celebrity - on the site "nearly famous" as an actor.
My thoughts were that this would all come to an end in the next few years, that we would both be too old for that sort of relationship but now I just feel so upset that after all this time he would do this to me.
I sort of feel I would be cutting my nose off to spite my face if i ended it, I feel I should be trying to re-boot my attractiveness to establish an unassailable no 1 position. I keep thinking of him cycling to her house for a sandwich and a shag and feeling quite sick.

I'm not expecting any sympathy on here but i can't get a counselling appointment I can attend before the new year and I'm just eaten up with it today. That's all.

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differentnameforthis · 18/12/2018 11:17

but now I just feel so upset that after all this time he would do this to me. And how do you think his wife will feel when his 8 yr affair with you is revealed? You seriously cannot be whinging about this other woman when you have been the OW fro EIGHT years!!

I feel I should be trying to re-boot my attractiveness to establish an unassailable no 1 position You were NEVER #1. He is married.She is #1, and should be his only 1!

NotGoodieTwoShoes · 18/12/2018 11:23

differentnameforthis - neither of us is in a conventional primary relationship. We both have positive feelings towards each others main partners but in view of the fact that neither of them is remotely interested in a sexual relationship feel that our relationship is not wrong.
You will certainly disagree with this. It is very common with the older population and we met through a specialist matchmaker (who I should sue!)

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differentnameforthis · 18/12/2018 11:29

@NotGoodieTwoShoes But you are keeping each other a secret, are you not? So yes, your relationship IS wrong otherwise you would tell your respective partners. It doesn't matter what I think of it, regardless of your status with your primary partner, you are cheating on them.

You only know what he has told you of his situation and it definitely more common for men to lie about their primary relationship than it is to tell the truth.

Redglitter · 18/12/2018 11:30

So does your husband know youre having an affair?

Annasgirl · 18/12/2018 11:35

In all of this and in spite of being asked about him several times, you have never mentioned your husband. Is he aware of the affair?

TBH you both (you and your affair partner) sound as bad as each other.

NotGoodieTwoShoes · 18/12/2018 11:36

Yes, of course our relationship is wrong. That is not what this thread is about. If you want to say that having come to love someone over 8 years, even though they are not very nice and now being very upset is my just deserts then just say so. Not being in the right doesn't make it hurt any the less.

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Redglitter · 18/12/2018 11:39

Im amazed at the level of sympathy the OP is getting. Shes cheating on her husband with another married man & is getting told to bin him because he's having a 2nd affair and that she can do better!!

What about her husband and his wife?

Ive never seen a cheater/OW get so much sympathy on here

deydododatdodontdeydo · 18/12/2018 11:42

Agree Redglitter, it's almost like a lot of the posters missed the bit about OP being married.

differentnameforthis · 18/12/2018 11:45

I didn't say it was your just desserts. I said I can't believe you have the audacity to complain about the other other woman given that you are the other woman too. I asked you to put yourself in his wife's shoes when she finds out. I am sorry, but you have no right to be feeling hurt given the hurt you will cause.

Something should have told you that he cannot be satisfied with one person, because he has been shagging you for 8yrs, while you have obviously been falling in love with him for 8yrs. You mean nothing to him. He has proved that. He has such a disregard for you, and his wife that he shagged a third woman.

He saw this woman as a new exciting shag, and dumped her when she got too heavy for him. And when he realised she was compromising his "game" because she lived too close.

Add to that, he has you doing all sorts in the bedroom that you do not like and why? Please leave him before this all goes horribly wrong for you. His controlling nature is NOT good, and it's fucking horrible that he is forcing you into sexual activities that you do not enjoy.

differentnameforthis · 18/12/2018 11:59

it's almost like a lot of the posters missed the bit about OP being married. I think op has worded it in such a way that it may seem like she has an open relationship of sorts. Whether that was her intention or not, I don't know.

Redglitter · 18/12/2018 12:16

Probably how she justifies cheating on her husband however she mentions the OM being worried his wife would find out.

NotGoodieTwoShoes · 18/12/2018 12:24

I started this thread because I was in a lot of emotional pain and awaiting counselling. The proof of the pudding is in the eating and no matter how wrong the relationship is it has brought both of us a lot of happiness for 8 years and the last thing I expected was that my not very wealthy, fairly elderly lover, with ED, a serious medical condition and dubious sexual preferences would become involved with a very attractive woman nearly 20 years younger than him and be very keen to have constant visits and contact. He had often told me that if we ended our relationship he would not be able to find anyone else because of all these problems. It is this astonishing situation that has knocked me sideways.

At the end of the day it is wrong to judge people on the basis of their age or wealth, and I've never entered into any relationship with someone because they were well off, really good looking or the right age. I thought we would have a stable relationship because he might value me more and perhaps be a little bit grateful to have someone nice and kind and attractive (though 61) in his life. I'm a grown up person in a professional role and I've always thought the total package was OK for me. I hope it will be sorted by mid january - that is what I will ask him for on a basis that will either be OK or if it doesn't meet my needs that I can walk away from. I'm happy being no 2, just want to be the only number 2.

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Redglitter · 18/12/2018 12:29

And your husband?? Does he know hes no2??

Dress it up how you like youre cheating on him with a cheater.

I feel sorry for his poor wife & your husband.

differentnameforthis · 18/12/2018 12:44

Nobody is judging you on anything except your deceit and ongoing justification of your affair. Of course he told you that, I bet he told that his wife doesn't understand, that they don't share a bed, or several other of the typical excuses.

No one mentioned his wealth, or your ages. To be fair, I would say this to any one, regardless of age. The fact of the matter is that you have come to a website which regularly has threads where families have been torn apart by (usually) men/fathers having affairs and are trying to seek empathy because the married man you are carrying on with has been seeing someone other than you and his wife. You are (unintentionally I believe) making a mockery of the suffering that wives the world over are going through.

I cannot believe that you are being as selfish as to keep on with this affair after you are saying how hurt YOU are by this man's #3. That hurt will be magnified a thousand fold for his wife.

You played with fire, you got burned. There's a lesson there.

halfwitpicker · 18/12/2018 12:49

No fool like an old fool.

halfwitpicker · 18/12/2018 12:50

dubious sexual preferences

^

May we ask what those are? 3 somes?

Calzone · 18/12/2018 12:54

Honestly this thread has made me feel a bit ill.

Seriously seedy.
Seriously messed up.
You both sound horrible and untrustworthy and you both need to get checked at the STD clinic.

And you both need to stay away from people.

Really gross.

hellsbellsmelons · 18/12/2018 12:59

Do you love your husband?
Does he love you?
Are there medical reasons why there is no sex in your marriage?
Is it something you could work on?

70+ with health problems!

You need to back away now.

halfwitpicker · 18/12/2018 13:03

which i really don't enjoy, spanking, which is OK for me and him making little porn films to watch later (I do trust him over that) So I have been entirely gearing our time together to suit him, that includes getting dressed up in outfits that i don't really like

^

Just read this bit. Wtaf? He's been making 'little porn films'????

You need to get those back. Wouldn't be happy with all this nonsense.

You said in a pp that the best bit of the date was lunch : tells you everything you need to know!

minmooch · 18/12/2018 13:11

You are both cheaters. Why would he not cheat on you as he already was, with his wife.

And the fact that he is a minor celebrity means jack shit.

NotGoodieTwoShoes · 18/12/2018 13:26

I'm leaving now, I fully accept the points made in the last few posts but they are not what the thread was about, I was not seeking sympathy but trying to understand this situation. I don't think I've said anything that would give the impression I am married, but he is so they are all legitimate. He still makes a living on a very part time basis from his old career, that is the only relevance, mimooch.

We have had a chat this lunch time, neither of us want to end the relationship as such, but I have said, gently, that it needs to be on the basis that I am having my needs met and am benefiting from it. I will think there may be justification to end it if that is not the case.

I will leave him to reflect on his transgressions until the new year.

Thank you again for all the constructive advice.

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differentnameforthis · 18/12/2018 13:32

Seriously op, you are worth so more than secret quarter yearly encounters where you perform little porn shows, wear clothes you do not like, do things you do not want to do, or like doing.

You are worth more than this man, more than being one more of his many mistresses. Do you really think you are sitting at #2, or even #3?

You are worth more than this heartache and the risk of catching god know what!

You are worth more than a limited messages because he doesn't want his wife to find out.

SO much more.

differentnameforthis · 18/12/2018 13:34

Of course you wanted sympathy. And the only sympathy I will offer is for the fact that your self esteem is SO low, you think this man cares for you or will in time love you.

So low that you do things you do not want all so he doesn't leave you! You deserve more.

differentnameforthis · 18/12/2018 13:35

I don't think I've said anything that would give the impression I am married, You said it wasn't the primary relationship for either of you. So you are either married, or seeing someone.

VirtuallyConfused · 18/12/2018 14:55

I understand completely. I have had a conversation with my AP that although in many ways it seems like given we are already cheating on our partners, I still would not wish to be anything other than exclusively his only AP.

Just because you are already married doesn't mean you can't have feelings for someone else, and for that secondary relationship to have an emotional impact on you when things don't work out.

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