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Confronting DH about his sulking

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jamaisjedors · 11/12/2018 13:40

To cut a long story short, we went away for the weekend for my birthday plus the anniversary of a family bereavement for me and DH gave me the silent treatment and sulked all day Saturday and pretty much all weekend.

We sat down and discussed our point of views about the weekend and I have expressed how lonely and hurt I felt. He has expressed that he felt I was ungrateful and ruined his weekend and failed to ask what was wrong with him.

It's been left there. I think he thinks that's that, done but I can't get past it and feel really distant from him.

This is not the first time he's done it, and actually I swore never to let him get away with it again, yet I'm still here.

I'm not perfect and this is what he will bring up if I confront him but I'm not sure how to bring it up without taking it all over again.

I'm thinking of leaving but maybe that's overdramatic, seems ridiculous to end a 20+ year relationship and shake up my kids lives for this - maybe I need to get a thicker skin?

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something2say · 12/12/2018 15:36

This guy is ridiculous! The more there is, the more there is!!!

What strikes me as that he really is using emotional withdrawal as a form of control - to make you fear what will happen and make you toe the line, and your childhood (like so many of ours) is priming you for it.

I like how the cottontailedrabbit is speaking about it.....

The other women have it spot on I think - next time he starts, just name it. Say it out loud - 'Oh you're sulking again, righto.' And then get out of there if you can. It's OK to say it out loud - the balance of power will shift. The children may look up surprised. BUT everyone will see that something is different and it needs to be different.

I would sadly advise you to think through some of the important points from this discussion, not least of all that you panic, he does this a lot, the children are learning from it, you fear anger so it's easy for him to use simmering rage to cow you, and the biggie for me - the fact that you have a nicer time when he is away.

That's really important. It is just that you feel safe and know you'll have a nicer time?? And no-one will harangue you for nothing and pointlessly spoil what could have been a nice normal evening?

I too was with a man who used emotional abuse - he HAD to pick the restaurant we went to, he had to have his way, he was mean and mardy for no reason, spoiling things.

One memorable day, we went down into Soho - he stalked thro Ox Circus tube, Friday night, chockablock, not walking with me, not holding my hand or anything to have a nice time, storming off and sighing as he looked round for me - anyway we started walking thro Soho and I saw shop windows I'd like to look in - he didn't like that - on it went - which restaurant etc - in the end we finally got into his choice of restaurant and were arguing at the table about his behaviour and why he had to spoil everything for no reason - and just as the conversation lulled, I was to be heard saying to him '....because I don't LIKE you.'

I felt terrible. His face later on the tube was so sad. But it was true. There was no good reason for his arsey behaviour and I'd just had enough. I didn't like him and being with him wasn't fun and I had a nicer time when he wasn't there.

There was another time we were at a festival in Switzerland and watching the last act, I became cold even tho I had my coat on. He had his T shirt on and coat in the bag. I asked him if I could put it on and he said no. I remember sitting there looking at all the other loving couples, where one partner simply would not put up with the other's discomfort and felt so sad that this man was the best I could come up with in life?? All the wonderful caring safe men out there and I chose this one?? It was a watershed moment and came up when I left him.

So, we split up. It's all history now, but I learnt a lot and I wish I'd done it earlier.

The bit you have to go through is the split - telling him, living safely with him until it's finalised and then going thro with it.

The best piece of advice I can give is, really try not to have to hear anything he says. He will say your reasons are bullshit and all sorts of shit - all to twist you up into having to give explanations - yet no explanation will get him to agree - so don't even bother. I'd come up with a simple sentence, use that at a planned time (I want to split up because I'm sick and tired of your sulking and I can't be arsed living like it anymore) and PLAN to get out of there for the night with the kids. Maybe have them elsewhere, go and do it, then get out. Hide precious belongings so he can't hurt them. You DON'T have to stay and listen and I'd say actively avoid hearing what he's got to say because it will just be rubbish.

Mitzimaybe · 12/12/2018 16:02

OP this isn't normal. The weekend away was for your birthday and your bereavement and your DH should have been doing everything he could to make it nice for you, not going into a sulk because you didn't agree to doing the thing that he suddenly sprung on you with no consultation beforehand. (I bet if he'd mentioned "his" preferred museum before the weekend, you'd have found a way to fit it in even though you wouldn't enjoy it yourself, wouldn't you?)

The bedtime thing - again, not normal. Compromise has to be two way. Him dictating your bedtime is abusive in itself.

Keep talking (to us vipers on here.) Other things will come to mind as you start thinking more objectively about it. Why does he stop you seeing your friends / relatives? That's a big red flag. What else does he sulk about?

jamaisjedors · 12/12/2018 17:47

Some really great posts, you are all amazing and helping me keep focused on this despite the temptation to just throw myself into work and move on.

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jamaisjedors · 12/12/2018 17:52

And also very sorry others have been through this... But I feel less stupid and alone.

I am at the moment being neutral but distant. Lots going on in my head though.

I can't quite work out the practical details of what I would do if I left but am already rehearsing for a talk with him where I give him my point of view about the weekend (again) and also give him an ultimatum about sulking.

I feel I am at a point now where I need to make it totally clear where I stand.

In the past I have tried to "fight back" or defend myself but this ends up worse because it is used against me.

I have also felt in the past that I played some part in setting of the sulk and shared responsibility.

In this case I really know that I did nothing unreasonable (and you have helped me see this) and so I can stand my ground and he won't be able to paint it as my fault or me being unreasonable or controlling.

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Zofloramummy · 12/12/2018 18:03

He will try to make it your fault though as that is his modus operandi. He will blame his behaviour on your actions. If you hadn’t been so mean as to do xyz then he wouldn’t have been hurt. Because you hurt him he had no choice but to sulk. I can hear it now.

But good luck and let us know how you get on. Hopefully you are more aware of the way he operates and try to remain factual, don’t get emotional.

evenbetter · 12/12/2018 18:38

My mother chose to marry a man like this, (she’s also a narcissist but that’s another story), she would revel in the drama of him stonewalling her, often for months on end, I’d feel I had to protect her. I didn’t have a safe home, home was tension, on edge, snippy nasty remarks, muttered insults, slammed doors, cowering pets. It’s child abuse to make your kids live like that and make no mistake, it damages us for life. Having that cortisol flooding our developing brains, feeling angry and helpless and that we have to protect the parent who’s meant to be keeping us safe and with no end in sight because my mother put cock before her kid. I don’t bother with her now, her and her husband live miserable lonely lives, still sulking into their sixties, looking confused as to why they’re alone.

mikado1 · 12/12/2018 18:54

You see jamaisjedors, I think where it all so easily begins is, the first sulk is a cause for concerns because as normal thinking people we assume something is wrong and we're worried and want to help. I would never ever sulk like this, so I think when my then dp did I thought something major must be wrong. I remember complete silence and rudeness one time myself and a friend returned home, with a housewarming gift she had generously bought. He was last completely silent to the point that it was so uncomfortable she left, thinking something was v wrong. I thought he was ill or there'd been some bad news. No, two hours later, turned out he was tired and I felt... relieved! Thank God there was nothing wrong (and I'd done nothing wrong...pleaser that I am). And it went from there to now when I am inwardly completely scornful of a grown man behaving like that and outwardly cheery and breezy and don't even notice. I warned him years ago if he didn't start saying what was wrong, I'd stop asking, and that is what's happened here :(

jamaisjedors · 12/12/2018 19:00

Sounds familiar mikado1, especially the relief when nothing is wrong.

Actually for years I knew something was wrong but DH denied it and actually told me I was imagining things, overdramatic and over sensitive or even a bit nuts.

So I could go back to normal after it ended even though it tortured me at the time, because he would never admit there was a problem.

Then he finally admitted 2 years ago when things came to a head ( for a health reason) that I had been right all along and not imagining things at all and he really had been doing it to punish me for some slight.

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SendintheArdwolves · 12/12/2018 19:39

I am already rehearsing for a talk with him where I give him my point of view about the weekend (again) and also give him an ultimatum about sulking

I wouldn't waste your time going over the weekend events again or trying to make him admit that you weren't being unreasonable. He won't see it and you'll end up getting derailed.

Stick to the discussion of his way of dealing with conflict - the sulking. State your ultimatum - that he is to knock off the childish sulking and stonewalling, and that you will henceforth discuss problems like grown ups. Say that you will no longer tolerate his sulks and that you will not pander to them.

But really, I think you should prepare yourself for a massive-mega toddler strop, followed by wild accusations about how awful you are, then at least a week of pointed one-word answers (so you can't accuse him of "not speaking to you" but he is still making it very clear that he is, y'know, not speaking to you) and dramatic huffs, pass-agg comments and over the top reactions.

While you're at it, knock off all the micro-acts of pleasing him - switching the light off, going to bed when he wants, trying to anticipate his moods and steer away from bad ones. Your energy would be better spent on yourself and your kids.

WhoKnewBeefStew · 12/12/2018 19:44

During the talk you need to try and not get dragged into the ‘you did, I did’ conversation. Set out your stall, tell him he makes you feel a certain way and leave it at that. If he tries to turn it back on you, which he will, just turn it back to ‘that aside, you make me feel xxx when you sulk’ he’ll say, ‘well I sulk because you didn’t ask about me, or I was ill etc’ come back with, ‘this isn’t about you, this is about you’re sulking’ and reiterate what it is you want him to do

jamaisjedors · 12/12/2018 19:51

Good tips, thanks. Will avoid going back over the weekend, you are right, it's done now.

Am itching to lay into him about it though because I still think he has no idea how inconsiderate it was. I feel like saying it has killed a lot of my feelings for him.

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jamaisjedors · 12/12/2018 19:53

I am working on the microacts, currently about your watch something in bed and will not switch off when he arrives (he doesn't for me).

If he huffs and groans and sighs I will ignore. If he specifically says he is tired and would I mind turning it off, no problems!

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AgentCooper · 12/12/2018 19:59

This is sounding familiar to me jamais Sad My DH is terrible for this and I hate it. Determined to be in a bad mood, huffing and sighing, expects you to know what's wrong when you're not a fucking mind reader. I used to just put up with it but now that we have DS, who is 14 months, I call him out on it and I think he's been quite surprised by that. He's actually apologised a few times.

timeisnotaline · 12/12/2018 19:59

I feel like saying it has killed a lot of my feelings for him.
That’s not true really. It was the last straw but his controlling selfish behaviour full of punishing you and expecting you to go along with everything he wanted is what has killed your love for him. It would kill anyone’s love.
Good luck with microactions, sending strength!

jamaisjedors · 12/12/2018 20:05

Yes I guess so.

But previously I cared enough to keep trying and keep an open mind about my own share of responsibility in the marriage.

Now suddenly (perhaps also with the help of the thread) I don't care about trying to please him or pandering.

What's the worst that could happen? He could decide he wants out, saves me beig the baddie. Won't happen though.

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jamaisjedors · 12/12/2018 20:08

Already ignored him clattering in the kitchen this evening and resisted the temptation to step in and help.

I had work to do so carried on with it (as he would a lot of the time).

I have often tried to abide by a rule in one of those marriage guidance books about turning towards your partner and not away.

Never seemed to happen from him though which drove me nuts.

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timeisnotaline · 12/12/2018 20:13

You are very much a helping person aren’t you? If my dh were clattering in the kitchen I’d leave him to it cheerfully. He can cook/ clean up cos he’s an adult. I’m not mad, I’m just letting him take his share of the load. If he is obviously sulkily clattering id try and stay lighthearted and remind him the dishes haven’t done anything to him and he will be replacing any broken. To a sufficient match /standard- my dh would know he’d have to keep replacing them until he bought something fit for purpose if he tried to get away with some crap cheapy.

CupsAndPentacles · 12/12/2018 20:19

Even though your dad was angry and your husband is a sulker, it casts YOU in the same role. Treading on egg-shells, appeasing a difficult 'other', aiming to please, and fearing displeasing, and most of all being highly attuned to somebody else's emotions at the expense of your own

Good luck OP. I also googled flats and then didn't follow through with leaving a hundred times before I did it. I never regretted it once it was done though

CupsAndPentacles · 12/12/2018 20:20

Read Ross Rosenberg's the human magnet OP

Givers and Takers find each other :-(

RandomMess · 12/12/2018 20:21

It sounds pretty miserable to me Sad

SendintheArdwolves · 12/12/2018 20:21

I still think he has no idea how inconsiderate it was

Its not that he doesn't see, it's that he doesn't care.

In situations like this, it is very easy to fall in to the trap of thinking his behaviour is complicated and to do with feelings. It isn't - it's simple and to do with outcomes.

He ruins things for you by sulking because he likes the outcome - you always putting his feelings first and doing all the boring work of the household. You make him central to your life even to the point of immediately switching the TV over when he comes in the room.

I know it is tempting to think "but if I could just make him see how it makes me feel, then he would stop". He wouldn't. He knows it upsets you - that is kind of the point.

To a non abusive person, it can be very hard to fathom someone who is abusive - surely they can't WANT their partner to be miserable and compliant? Surely they would prefer a loving, give and take relationship with both parties behaving kindly and fairly to the other? Believe me, they don't. A frightened partner scurrying around doing as their told is far more preferable.

headinhands · 12/12/2018 20:37

He's upset that you failed to ask what was wrong with him. That's all types of fucked up. Adults tell people if they're upset by them. They don't sulk until the other person guesses. I couldn't cope with that and it would cause huge intimacy problems.

BitOfFun · 12/12/2018 21:02

SendInTheArdwolves, that's a bleak but nonetheless very astute point. I think you are spot on.

headinhands · 12/12/2018 22:21

To a non abusive person, it can be very hard to fathom someone who is abusive - surely they can't WANT their partner to be miserable and compliant?

So true. You can waste a lot of time thinking that if you could just get them to understand. It is a waste of time. Unless they're clinically mentally restarted they KNOW and DON'T care.

jamaisjedors · 13/12/2018 05:40

You are all right.

Last night I started watching something but then was shattered and turned it off intending to read for 10 mins or so before going to sleep.

H arrives with the tablet so I decide to tell him politely " I'm going to sleep in a few minutes, if you want to watch something, it would be better if you watched it downstairs".

Cue him ignoring me. He settles with the tablet and I ask if he heard what I said.

He says aggressively that he doesn't see why he should be the one to have to go downstairs. Look at all the times he has gone to bed early and I have arrived at 10.30pm.

So I said but if I'm watching something when you come up, I turn it off so you can sleep.

Then he says " you are contradicting yourself, you just said you turned your laptop off because you were tired". And " there's no need to lay into me so aggressively when I come up to bed '

Then nothing.

So i said "ok, go ahead and sulk then".

Read my book, and managed to go to sleep without churning it all over too much.

Feeling pretty desperate now thoughSad

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