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Can't stop crying. No idea why.

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TheCakeDiet · 16/09/2018 20:02

Hello

I'm. It sure relationships is the right place for this, but I didn't know where else to post.

This is probably going to be really long and it will sound mad. And It is more than a bit mad but I am truly losing my mind over it, so have come here for help/advice. I am so ashamed.

I am linking to a thread I posted a week ago. It gives you some context of where my head was just seven days ago - only 21 posts to read, so hopefully not too long to get through. You will see that I was a bit upset/worried about DDs BF, for reasons that are clear within the linked thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3361138-Worried-about-DDs-BF

Update since my last post....

Since then I have found myself falling into a very strange place - I kind of alluded to it in my last post in the previous thread, but I am not quite sure what has happened to me. I am posting here in the hope someone will recognise my thinking/behaviour and can help me crawl out of this black hole.

In a nutshell, I have become obsessive and bereft over this ridiculous non-relationship between two kids. For the first time in my life, I can't sleep at night, have cried at least five times a day, every day, I am treating my DD appallingly because she won't even see him to give him some closure or 'try again' and am being selfish, ridiculous and quite mad. I have no idea what this is really about. It surely can't really be this straight forward? I feel like I am losing my mind because the rational part of me recognises that i can't be this upset about a teenage breakup (I have honestly never been over-involved in anything like this before) so I am wondering if it has triggered something in me but I don't know what, and I can't make this stop. I literally can't eat and I haven't been able to concentrate on anything for a week. I feel on the brink of tears the whole time and completely preoccupied with a need to 'fix' everything so DD can enjoy the feeling of someone loving her so much and being giddy with love herself.

I have no history of depression or mental illness, and this is despite spending the last ten years in a toxic relationship with a functioning but volatile alcoholic. (Last five sexless). Despite losing my beloved dad three years ago and my mum last year following two years of being sole career through dementia, thus making my DH now the only adult in my life (I am an only child, no other family). I have lost a job, struggled with money issues, spent nearly every night listening to the drunken, spiteful ranting of my husband, struggled with weight gain and love loss, yet have still managed to get real joy out of my DC and life in general, but this 'non-event' has floored me.

All I keep thinking about is how much this boy loves DD and how much happiness he could bring her - just for a while until it naturally fizzled out - and she him - and she is throwing it away without a backward glance. I know she is too young and I don't even recognise these thoughts as anything like my own. If you'd asked me four weeks ago, I would have said that I wasn't interested in teenage drama and DD is far too young to have a BF.

I have never checked her messages or anything like that before, but because I was worried about him being bullied but also slightly struggling with DDs sudden and rather cold change of heart, I had a quick scan to make sure this wasn't about something else - him pressuring her into something she wasn't ready for and her not wanting to tell me or similar. Now I wish I hadn't seen them because it's only made me feel worse. He is lovely, kind, a bit cheeky but respectful and completely head over heels, she had reciprocated in the same way and had told him she loves him. Messages are sweet and loving and then suddenly, she becomes distant and ends it. He is bereft. She won't give him any explanation. I stepped away at that point (hating myself for being waaaaaaay too involved) but now I feel even more heartbroken for him and even less sympathetic to my own DD who I love with all my heart, but feel inexplicably angry with.

DD doesn't know I've read her messages and I will never tell her. She has played down what they were about, saying she never liked him that much (I know this is a lie) and it's not her fault she has moved on. This is 100% true but it crushes me every time she says it.

I don't need anyone to tell me I am being over-invested, ridiculous, unkind to DD, a bad Mother or anything else like that. I KNOW. I feel quite deranged by it all and cannot believe how I feel and how I am behaving. I spent all of today in my room alternating between crying and staring into space. I cooked the family meal and went through the motions of that, sat with DS whilst he his homework but honestly felt 'removed' as though I wasn't really there. I know that there must be something else at play here, but I don't know what. Or how to let it go.

It's not as simple as 'get a grip'. If I could, I would have. I am the most sensible, level headed, relaxed parent usually, but right now, if I could make DD go back to him, I would. Which is MAD. And I am thoroughly ashamed to feel this way.

So what's going on? Why have I fallen apart? Why am I so upset? How do I make these thoughts stop? Am I finally revealed as a hideous over-involved nightmare parent or is this a trigger for something else? My poor DD.

OP posts:
foxotterhare · 18/09/2018 12:13

Your last long post rings true with me OP. I really think these are feelings you should unpack with a counsellor.

AlmaGeddon · 18/09/2018 13:42

Wow your post rang bells for me.
I was in my 50s, visiting my GP for depression, described my childhood and he said I was the 'strength in a dysfunctional family', I was the eldest daughter with alcoholic DF.
What happened to me and probably my siblings is that you know your DM is having a shot time so behave like the most capable sensible DCs , don't express any fears or worries as you are adding to hers. Keep it all to yourself whilst secretly feeling powerless and upset and angry at the situation. It is possibly because of the set up that DD doesn't open up not because she is fine.

GladysKnight · 18/09/2018 14:48

Make an appointment with the doctor and with women's aid.

CBT may help you hour to hour between there appointments, it can help take the sting out of agonising obsessive irrational thoughts sometimes, but it won't fix your awful situation. You have to find a way out of this abusive relationship, women's aid will help you plot a course. That will bring your chilren happiness. You "fell in love" with the idea that this boy could rescue your daughter from a very toxic situation. You are heartbroken that that beloved idea has gone.
But of course he couldn't ever have rescued her. You however can. Take back your power and start making your plans.

TheCakeDiet · 18/09/2018 17:53

I am sorry for being needy but it's bad today. I made a list of tasks that needed doing but had to abandon the supermarket shop so I could get home and cry. I have literally been obsessing all day - alternating between worrying about what I've done to DD, worrying about what could be wrong with me but, if I'm honest, mostly worrying about DDs BF and how sad he must be feeling and panicking that i can't fix it and time is running out (??) And then panicking that DD is missing her chance... and then panicking because I now (thanks to MN) know this is a completely inappropriate response but it still doesn't feel like that. My mum had dementia. I only mid forties but what if i can't get a grip ever?

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TheObwaldhutte · 18/09/2018 18:10

Oh OP I'm so sorry you are feeling this way. It is a symptom only though. You need help. Try and get to see your GP as soon as possible for your anxiety. You are not responsible. Chances are the lad is a bit meh about it by now.

GladysKnight · 18/09/2018 18:14

Oh cake, you will be able to get a grip, and please do keep posting. I know about the irrational obsessing that comes with acute anxiety, it is mad, but overpowering. I was convinced I had done something awful, even when it was obvious to everyone else, and my rational mind in the moments I could reach it, that I hadn't. Realise that emotion, and stress hormones (adrenaline and it's friends)a ctally affect your reasoning - they need to, tehre are good evolutionary reasons for it, but sometimes it gets out of hand like it has for you.

PLEASE please get to the GP. I found a short course of valium invaluable in just stopping me being so het up, and allowing me to sleep. But you really need to fix your home situation. You know this.

TheSmallAssassin · 18/09/2018 18:18

I think you think you are coping with your alcoholic husband, but this episode with your daughter and her ex-boyfriend has triggered something in you because you really cannot cope any more. Please, please seek help from your GP and Women's Aid.

TheObwaldhutte · 18/09/2018 18:40

Flowers for you OP. This will pass. The sun will shine again. It's overwhelming but it does change for the better.

colditz · 18/09/2018 18:46

You must seek help to separate form your abuser

You have latched onto this boy because you feel he will not become your husband and therefore your daughter will be protected from living your awful life.

You are desperate to get him back into her life because it makes you feel like she is safe, because YOU would have felt safe. you would feel safe if you were married to the 40 year old version of him, rather than the fucking monster you live with.

You must, must start the process of getting away. Even if that is simply to acknowledge that you must get away.

StringofPearlss · 18/09/2018 21:33

OP, what you have described about your DD in your recent post are all traits of Adult Children of Alcoholics. Secretly low self esteem, thrill seeking, chaos seeking (because peace feels too alien), being predisposed to use substances.

I am an adult child of an alcoholic myself. Have dumped many healthy guys in my time because of a compulsion to 'fix' damaged ones as this is what was modelled to me. My parents programmed me that way by their example. I can recommend the books 'After the Tears' and 'Perfect Daughters' - both self help type books but very good.

www.amazon.co.uk/After-Tears-Children-Alcoholics-Childhood-ebook/dp/B004GUSDQS/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=after+the+tears&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&tag=mumsnetforum-21&ie=UTF8&qid=1537302532&sr=8-1

www.amazon.co.uk/Perfect-Daughters-Adult-Alcoholics/dp/1558749527?tag=mumsnetforum-21

Also check out the NACOA charity and maybe if you can't attend counselling you could try Al-anon?

CountessVonBoobs · 18/09/2018 21:46

OP I can only second this:

I think you think you are coping with your alcoholic husband, but this episode with your daughter and her ex-boyfriend has triggered something in you because you really cannot cope any more. Please, please seek help from your GP and Women's Aid.

I think all the answers are in your posts. You think you are both numb and helpless but you are neither. Your body and your heart are crying out to you to be listened to and that they cannot go on any more. Please listen to them. Please seek help. If you have to break down... Break down. You can't keep living the way you are living.

TheCakeDiet · 18/09/2018 22:03

@colditz yes to everything you said. Yes X 100000. That resonates with me a lot.

To all of you who have urged me to see a GP, I have made an appointment. I have to wait two weeks but I’ve done it.

I am trying to stop the obsessive thoughts by watching tv or reading but I can’t concentrate for even a minute. It’s the most horrible feeling. So thank you all of you for all your kindness and advice. I will read it all again in a minute and look at the links you’ve all shared.

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StringofPearlss · 18/09/2018 22:38

I think you sound really emotionally intelligent and have a lot of self reflection skills because what you have written shows a lot of insight.

Don't forget about YouTube too. There is so much free great help on there - Lisa A Romano springs to mind and I'll have a look at who else makes content for those in alcoholic families. Richard Grannon is great for dysfunctional relationships so he could be worth a look 🌺

GladysKnight · 18/09/2018 22:39

Hugs to you Cake. I haven't been so patient in the past - emergency appointments all the way for me. The GPs never minded. Would you consider that? (you can go back on your appointed date to review how you are getting on, if you manage to go sooner)

You could perhaps check out youtube for some breathing exercises - it's something simple to concentrate on, and my help you feel better, if only briefly. Also, perhaps look for an online CBT exercise - when it works, it helps you to confront your irrational brain with some rational analysis, taking the edge off the wilder thoughts that are plaguing you. Not saying either always works, but maybe worth a try to quiet the intrusive, repeated thoughts for a bit.

ToothTrauma · 19/09/2018 00:45

OP, this is an emergency. Get an emergency appointment. You have said yourself you are struggling to function. Your thoughts and feelings are very irrational and disproportionate and you need help now. Don’t suffer on for two weeks just because this isn’t something you can physically see. Make an emergency appointment Flowers

colditz · 19/09/2018 16:26

TheCakeDiet, I'd really like to hear how today has been

Meripenopause · 19/09/2018 17:47

Given how you have had to hold things together for all this time in the face of some pretty nasty and needy behaviour from adults in your life; its perfectly understandable that this boy, with his sincerity, kindness and open-heart has triggered huge amounts of emotion and longing in you.
You sound like you have good insight. While you wait for help, allow yourself 'windows' to feel this deluge of emotions. Obviously, you mustn't burden your daughter with it. Be kind to yourself and give yourself space to feel it, integrate it. It could be the wake up you need to make change.

TheCakeDiet · 19/09/2018 18:19

Today I feel utterly heartbroken and bereft. There was a stupid song that we played a lot over the summer on the radio and I burst into tears (again). I honestly feel like a teenager having her heart broken for the first time. That feeling of being constantly on the brink of tears and then tipping over at the slightest touch.

had to pick DD up from a sport thing this afternoon and as I watched her play, I was fantasising that BF was with me and he was feeling proud of her and she was excited to show him off to her friends. I mean literally, I can read that back and hear for myself how pathetic it sounds but I just can't stop the train of thought.

I am trying to be warm with DD but I feel angry with her again. Instead I am avoiding her so that I don't accidentally find myself begging her to please check on exBF (not that she would,she has made that clear). But still, it would be an outrageous thing to do on my part and yet it's on the tip of my tongue to do it. So I am hiding in the bedroom crying again.

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colditz · 19/09/2018 18:26

OK.

Now you don't have to answer these, but I want you to think about the answers.

Have you ever fantasised about how much happier your life would be if your kids could be safely elsewhere and you felt "allowed" to leave your abusive husband?

And ... have you ever wondered how much happier your life would have been if you had married someone else, made a better, safer choice?

And... do you ever just wish that the man you married would come back and boot this abusive alcoholic prick out of your life?

DO you let yourself think about these things?

Quartz2208 · 19/09/2018 18:34

OP are you reading any of the posts. You are transferring and at a serious level. This has nothing to do with DD, nothing to do with the BF (who by all accounts has probably gotten over it by now) and EVERYTHING to do with you, your relationship with your husband and all of the buttoning down of emotions.

I said before my mum sounded like you, she buttoned down emotions and she ended up being sectioned.

TheCakeDiet · 19/09/2018 18:48

@Quartz2208 I am reading them. I really am. If I hadn't come on here I certainly wouldn't have called my GP. I'm trying to accept that this is trigger/symptom and not the root issue, but it is the immediate symptom IYSWIM.

I suppose the BF is probably going our with his mates and stating to try and move on by now - 9 days is forever in teenworld. A lot of me rejoices for this as both my rational and irrational brain, really likes him and wishes him happiness. There is also however, a feeling of panic - like an egg timer running out and if she doesn't call now, it will be too late and he will slip away.

So you see, despite me telling you I AM reading and trying to accept that this is all about something else, I revert back to talking about them. Not me or my marriage or anything else. Ice made a go appointment, I have watched some YouTube videos but I don't know what else I can do.

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TheCakeDiet · 19/09/2018 18:50

@colditz

  1. Yes
  2. Yes
  3. Yes

I used to wish I had a big brother who would come round and make him stop. This has always been part of the problem - I have zero family and he has a father he is estranged from and a brother he sees rarely, he has dropped all his friendships and is now accountable to precisely no one

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Quartz2208 · 19/09/2018 19:16

With my mum it was all about closing her emotions up - she had an event in her life she decided to close down but she closed everything down and it wasnt healthy. I cant remember what event triggered it (it was to do with me though) because that wasnt significant. But it brought all the emotions to the surface at once. And she couldnt cope.

I remember we called the doctor and she spent 3 days at a psychiatric hospital before she came home. She was much better after that.

She taught me to always allow my emotions

TheCakeDiet · 19/09/2018 20:15

I'm sorry about your mum @Quartz2208. And for the younger you that had to deal with her breakdown. I do want so much to spare my DC drama from me. The get enough from H Sad

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Quartz2208 · 19/09/2018 20:20

It was well over 30 years ago now and she is fine now - she recognises and understands her triggers and how to deal with them. It has never caused an issue in our relationship and I am much more aware of mine because of hers