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I know my parents are toxic. But I wasn't prepared for this and I don't know what to do.

464 replies

kardashianklone · 08/08/2018 10:46

I'm sorry, this is long. I've tried to put in paragraphs to make it a little less trying. I don't have a good relationship with my parents. Any relationship, really. Full on narcissistic mum and enabling dad who are very controlling, petty, spiteful and prone to temper tantrums. I try to have as little to do with them as possible because every single interaction is just horrible and upsetting and nothing positive ever comes from it. I have read 'Toxic Parent's by Susan Forward (amazing book) and they are textbook.

I have tried to tell them how I feel, they don't care or don't listen. And the cycle endlessly repeats itself. I have gone NC before, but them one or the other of them has some serious health related drama and as an only child I am expected to fix all of their problems. They also don't seem to notice when I go NC and just carry on, regardless. We had a horrible Christmas 2017 where they said terrible things (by text) and when I responded back it was just silence. They ignored it, waited a few months, then carried on.

Previous gems include telling me I was a mistake baby but they decided to 'love me in the end', and being told "you should look at yourself and ask what went wrong", that I am "no daughter of theirs" (because I wouldn't use my annual leave to go and run their business whilst they went on holiday), and when Mum faked a heart attack (she'd coughed a bit too hard and strained the muscles around her ribs) that it was my fault for not visiting them enough. Also Mum telling me that she will probably die soon and that again will be my fault.

Late last night, I had a text message out of the blue (they won't call me, email me, and only Dad text messages me. Mum won't answer the phone if I call and won't respond to any of my communications). The message said that this month is their anniversary month (they were married years before I was born), and if I "forget what this means to your mum and dad (he speaks in the 3rd person) we will never speak to you again so try to not be a selfish child. Dad". It's not a joke- that's how they talk. Emotional blackmail, passive aggressive, temper tantrums. The viewing me as a child, not an adult, so it's all about control, the setting ridiculous responses in overblown dramatic fashion...it's so exhausting and distressing.

So now I have a dilemma. On one hand...they've made it easy for me, I would happily never talk to them again. On the other hand, I could just send a card (as I do every year) but I know it won't be enough. It will be, why didn't you send a present, or visit us, or make our day special? (they don't do anything to celebrate it themselves). I also resent being 'forced' to send them a card because of a threat of 'or else'. Once, about 10 years ago, I did forget to send a card, and Mum refused to speak to me for 6 months, and when she did, she called me a slut. So, what should I do? Send a card, not send a card?

OP posts:
Hissy · 30/08/2018 13:39

Well done for finding your way through this. I do think you caved to the FOG tho, but i know how crushing it is, and now that you are blocked from them you can start the rest of your life as you need to live it.

did your Aunt refer to your dad as her brother to you in the text? WOW your family are ALL fucked up eh? Grin

My mum moved without telling me the address. I knew she was moving but OMG the pain that excluding me from everything to do with it caused. She pretty much (a) left without a backwards glance to me, but (b) told everyone that I had snubbed her move when I was the ONLY person she withheld all that info from. I decided to take the 'Let's see where you go with this' route. I don't regret it, it showed me what she really thought of me.

I do wish she'd have the balls to take responsibility for it though, rather than weep and wail about how devastated she is to anyone deluded enough to listen.

PLEASE, please, please don't let those people into your life again?

PLEASE remind yourself that you are NOT your mother, and you know how to treat people, more importantly, you'd be a good parent to any child because all you have to do is love them the way you wanted to be loved and that is all any of us can do.

RabbitsAreTasty · 30/08/2018 13:43

You haven't really embraced the spirit of NC yet!

You never have to worry about I decided I would send a card because then it couldn't be 'used against' me in some way When you are NC it cannot be used against you, that's the beauty of it!

Sometimes (and this is so dreadful that I am ashamed) I think it would be easier if they both went at the same time, because whichever one is left will be an unholy nightmare to deal with and I just don't think I could cope. Emotionally, or financially When you are NC this isn't a problem because you have no part in any of it.

twoshedsjackson · 30/08/2018 17:02

I think SeaEagleFeather and SansiLove are on to something.....
being sent to boarding school at the age of 4 is unbelievably heartless, but I wonder if, ironically, you spent more time in the company of kinder, more normal adults in consequence? Of course a boarding school teacher is not a birth parent, but at least you saw from a very young age, that some adults could behave more compassionately, rather than their unremitting unkindness? Children from less affluent circumstances are taken into care, and many speak warmly of the foster parents who raised them.
Good luck on your journey out of the FOG!

tillytop · 30/08/2018 21:52

A therapist once advised me, to begin the road of NC, think of them as "acquaintances" rather than "parents".

Giraffey1 · 30/08/2018 22:02

It doesn’t sound to me like you’ve ever reslly gone NC with them, and this is what - for your own sanity - you really need to do. Don’t ring, don’t write, don’t read or answer texts. Don’t send birthday cards or Christmas wishes. Don’t be drawn in to sorting out their medical care. It’s clear whatever you do, it will never be enough / right/ acceptable. Break the cycle. Stop all engagement.

tillytop · 30/08/2018 22:07

You wanted decent parents, you didn't get them. You will NEVER have them. So sorry Flowers (I went NC twenty years ago). Love it!

UnderMajorDomoMinor · 30/08/2018 22:20

Well done op, well done. Flowers I hope you’re having a good day today!

kardashianklone · 17/01/2019 10:35

An update. So after sending a card in August in the end, I went NC. I blocked them in every possible way. In December, I realised they HADN'T EVEN NOTICED I had gone NC as they sent me a whatsapp (they've never used whatsapp before) which I immediately blocked, carrying on a conversation that they'd been sending me by text (which I hadn't received as I'd blocked it). The whatsapp said 'Hi forgot to mention in my last text we would still like you to come up for Christmas'. It was sent on the 20 Dec. I didn't respond.

For the first time ever, I didn't send them a Christmas card or a gift for each of them. They didn't send me a card or gift either. I didn't ring over Christmas or New Year.

Incidentally, the last email I received from them was sent 2 Jan 2018, telling me off for not ringing them to wish them a Happy New Year yet.

It went quiet. I was expecting that they would probably send me a letter as they have my address. It arrived yesterday. They had disguised it to look like a bill, with a typed address. As I opened it, I immediately recognised my mother's hand writing and put it straight back in the envelope, unread. I could tell, however, that it is a very small piece of paper, about the size of a notebook, one sided, and folded over. Through the thin paper, I could read the words 'we are terribly hurt'.

So now...do I continue NC and ignore it and not read it? Or read it and continue NC? Or read it and respond? Or read it and not respond?

I have put it in a drawer so it isn't sitting there looking at me. It makes me feel queasy to think about it. That feeling when you are about to walk into an exam you are sure you will fail. I am leaning towards not reading it, and continuing NC. I am confident it will be along the lines of 'How could you do this to us, why are you hurting us, don't you know what a terrible daughter you are', etc. I have heard it all before, repeatedly. Even it is a nice letter, I feel as though it is a 'trap'. I will get sucked back it and then everything will start all over again.

I have tried in the past to tell them how I feel, have written letters, emails, long texts etc. They have ignored everything and focused on how it makes THEM feel.

Any advice would be welcome please?

OP posts:
Weezol · 17/01/2019 10:40

Burn it unread and continue NC - there is nothing to gain from reading it. Disguising it a bill to trick you in to reading it is telling you all you need to know. It's pre-meditated headfuckery.

Onwards and upwards!

Aprilshowersarecomingsoon · 17/01/2019 10:42

As above op.

chordFire · 17/01/2019 10:44

My first reaction was also burn it. No idea how old you are but presumably you've had decades of this. You're not going to find out anything new and if anything urgent happens, your dad's sis knows how to contact you. Burn it.

SlowlyShrinking · 17/01/2019 10:46

Have you got a shredder, op? It’s very satisfying 👍

Disfordarkchocolate · 17/01/2019 10:47

Burn, it will be cathartic. Do something that promotes self care afterwards, you deserve looking after.

AornisHades · 17/01/2019 10:47

Ah yes, the disguised letters. We know those.
My immediate thought was 'Burn it!' and so I agree with Weezol.

ApolloandDaphne · 17/01/2019 10:51

My first thought was burn it too. Then continue as you were. You are strong and you can do this.

Giraffesinscarves · 17/01/2019 10:53

Destroy it. It will be your first act of true independence. Then don't look back. A better life is in front of you.

Ragnarhairybreetches · 17/01/2019 10:54

One more here for the burn option
It won't do you any good, it is designed to mess with your head, don't let it, burn it.

Suresurelah · 17/01/2019 10:55

Burn it and send it back to them on recorded delivery just joking

I wouldn’t read it, I either burn it or shred it and carry on as you have been.

I’m NC with my mother and it does get a little easier (I do understand the feelings of guilt and the butterflies).

Some Flowers for you

RandomMess · 17/01/2019 10:55

Burn it or perhaps return to sender "not known at this address"???

Suresurelah · 17/01/2019 10:56

I would either burn it or shred it, i was meant to say

UnderMajorDomoMinor · 17/01/2019 10:57

I would read it, think ‘well this proves NC was right’ and file it away for days I feel weak to reinforce I was doing the right thing.

If I didn’t read it I’d get stuck in doubt.

TheABC · 17/01/2019 10:58

Burn it, OP. And buy yourself flowers. If they are incapable of loving you, you need to do it for yourself. Big hugs. Don't give up on the idea of a family either if that is what you want. You are not them and you are not doomed to repeat the past.

FurryDogMother · 17/01/2019 10:58

Another 'burn it' here too. I'm so sorry they've upset you again, I hope you manage to put them out of your mind.

GhostSauce · 17/01/2019 11:05

I'd send it back as addressee unknown.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 17/01/2019 11:06

Burn it, forget it and carry on. Have someone else vet your mail in the future. Instruct them to destroy and not mention anything they find.

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