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Tell me your narc dm's most outrageous stunts.

480 replies

oooz · 04/08/2018 13:04

I'm in therapy decades after an abusive upbringing and the penny's only just dropped that my dm was a narc! Watching videos on narcissism I'm going 'Yes, yes, yes!' - it's all my experience. Playing the guilt card. Taking your successes for their own. Gaslighting. The control. It's SO refreshing finally learning my own truth. Now I've found this I want to learn as much as possible. Please share your experiences.

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Greypaw · 06/08/2018 13:38

@thisnamechanger, because everyone presents differently I think it can be hard to separate out traits of a disorder with just quirky bits of personality, but I do recognise some of what you say. I have a psychology background and my own psychologist was the one who felt very strongly that my mother had NPD, but it took me a long time to agree purely because it wasn't a form of NPD I recognised. I've since had a (diagnosed) NPD partner and he was very different to my mother, but I guess the underlying issues are the same perhaps. It also took a while for me to accept that he had NPD because he was so self-deprecating, but after a lot of therapy I realised that self-deprecation is often a way to force people to argue the opposite and indulge in their flattery.

Anyway, yes, my mother too was a matriarch, things had to be her way. My dad was (is) very mild mannered and I think liked someone else being in charge. She never sulked or tantrummed though. She didn't over-react about my safety, in fact she was quite blasé most of the time (in fact probably quite balanced in this aspect, although if I ever felt unsafe and asked for help she'd decline as she felt I should learn to cope on my own - a bit harsh when I was being targetted by a kerb-crawler at the age of 11).

She outright told me she saw me as an extension of herself. She said it was fine for her to insult my appearance as it was, apparently, just as if she was talking to herself. Because she was totally obsessed with appearance I constantly let her down. She said she'd stand by me when I went through a teenage goth phase and later on when I gained weight, but was ashamed of me and let me know how she longed to be proud of me.

Like your mum she made everything about her nerves (though she wouldn't admit to having anything as needy as nerves). If anything bad happened to me I'd try to keep it quiet, as on top of coping with it I knew I'd have to soothe her.

She was also obsessed with class, and having others see her as being the very cream of society. Which was ridiculous as her mother came from the Cork slums. She'd get very insulted if people didn't think of her as being upper class, yet simultaneously be cross if people a) thought she was affluent and b) thought she wasn't. No one was good enough to join our family - all inlaws were subjects of ridicule and scorn.

She increasingly disrupted my relationship with my father, not really allowing me to have a relationship with him at all (or a very surface one). She died a few years ago. Since then it's been really nice to get to know my dad.

Theruggedskyline · 06/08/2018 14:06

She locked me in my bedroom on my wedding day while I was getting ready so I couldn’t get out to go to he church. Thankfully the other guests let me out.

I was given medication for a serious medical condition as a child but my DM hid it because she “didn’t want (me) taking pills.”

She went through all my private and deeply personal things on a daily basis and used to shame me about them at family gatherings and when my friends came round.

Theruggedskyline · 06/08/2018 14:07

Oh yes she found a diary where I had written about losing my virginity at 16 and she told my dad and then told me that neither of them could look at me again because I had been “spoiled” in their eyes

Treacletoots · 06/08/2018 14:11

Where to start indeed!

How about on my wedding day declaring that yes people want to know what the bride's wearing but what they really want to know is what the MoB is wearing.

Same wedding, when I questioned some people she wanted to invite who is never met, hissed to my dad on the phone "oh so it's OK for her to invite friends, just how many friends is she inviting" sorry, I'm the BRIDE. Seriously threatened to not help out with wedding costs unless she got her own way and we couldn't really afford to tell him to fuck the fuck off. Lesson learned

When I divorced that dick head, she text me saying 'x still loves you, he'll take you back' without once asking why I'd kicked him out. As it was, he was a selfish narc asshole who treated me like crap so that's why she loved him no doubt.

Oh so many. When I can remember I'll post :)

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 06/08/2018 14:25

One guest's partner, who I actually didn't really want to invite, said she was "thinking about it" and would "decide on the day if she was coming".
I said that was a No then - I wasn't forking out £60 for her meal if she wasn't going to turn up for it!

Treacletoots · 06/08/2018 14:52

@peppermintpasty lol at your comment about children having an opinion. I've said many a time that my mother and I grew apart from the age of about 8 because she could no longer impose her will and, shock horror I tried to have my own opinion!

She fell out with her brother and threw him out of the house. When I asked why she replied, why don't you just take my side? My response that I prefer to take sides based on facts. It took forever to wrestle out that all he'd done was to not agree with her... Grounds for kicking out and never speaking to a sibling again sure!

rainingcatsanddog · 06/08/2018 15:11

My mum has pretended to have cancer twice.

She accused a friend of hers of sleeping with my 13 year old brother because she felt that he liked her better. (Most people are better than mum) This woman had a son in brother's class and would just give him lifts!

She is always running late and gets furious when events have started with her.

I went NC when I was 19 because she's a bitch but says that it's the reverse.

My sister went out with a man who died then dated his brother later. My Mum told her that when she died, she'd go to hell for that.

I was in therapy and she assumed that the therapist would tell me to do as my mum said. She was furious when that didn't happen

She thinks I tried to commit suicide to shame her.

She does not believe in food allergies. If someone had one, she has to have a worse allergy.

She accused my sister and I of being gay with our best friends. Ffs!

BoneShaker · 06/08/2018 15:48

Like others I'm nodding away at so many of these stories. For a moment there I even wondered whether PeppermintPasty was my sister. My own mother also used to say that she was only interested in us until we started school "because that's when other people start to have an influence over what you see and do so you're not really mine anymore."

She also insisted on going to my dad's funeral, despite not having seen him for 30 years before his death and only ever mentioning him if she was insulting him. She then flounced because his grieving relatives didn't pay her the attention that she thought she deserved as the mother of his (adult) children.

On the bright side, I haven't had to make a decision about whether to go NC with her. As the designated family scapegoat, she hasn't bothered with me or my children for years. I think it's supposed to be my punishment but she hasn't yet realised that she's actually done me a huge favour. I won't be telling her that though in case she decides to change her mind. Grin

ThriceThriceThice · 06/08/2018 15:57

Weddings seem to be a massive trigger point, don’t they? Good luck Mintich - forewarned and forearmed! My DM was her usual stand-offish, getting some sly-digs-in charmer to me on my wedding day - but my favourites here are:

  • DM wearing a wedding dress
  • Shutting bride in bedroom
Stellarbella · 06/08/2018 16:00

So many examples, but I’ve come to realise that I’ve just accepted many of them as normal, when they’re anything but.

Standing by whilst my stepfather regularly beat me from the age of 7 until 14, when she left him because she found someone else (not because she objected to the abuse)

Taking us on holidays that we weren’t allowed to discuss with said stepfather with men who were her ‘friends’ - I now realise that she was using us as cover for her affairs with married men

Telling me when I failed my driving test that she was pleased as I needed to be taken down a peg or two and know what failure felt like (despite her nonsense, I was a high achiever at school)

Financial abuse - refusing to assist with my university fees even though her high income meant that I didn’t qualify for any student loan or grant, so I just couldn’t go to university. Encouraging me to get a new car on finance and promising to cover the payments, until I tried to leave home (so effectively I couldn’t leave her).

Stormed out of my hen weekend within half an hour of arriving because she wasn’t the centre of attention and I had asked her not to continue to tell an embarrassing and untrue story from my childhood in front of all my friends.

Constant comments on my body - too fat, saggy boobs etc.

Sexually inappropriate with every man in my life, whether I’m in a relationship with them or not.

I’m now 35 weeks’ pregnant and have vowed never to let her anywhere near my DS

DontDrinkDontSmoke · 06/08/2018 16:01

Weddings are common because narcs tend to misbehave when the attention isn’t on them.

My narc mother also blew up around funerals/deaths.

She likes to get right in there when someone is dying... she needs a central role. Since I went nc with her she’s started volunteering at a hospice...heaven help the families of the dying there.

MKroundabout · 06/08/2018 16:05

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Stellarbella · 06/08/2018 16:14

Oh, I forgot insisting on attending my grandfather’s funeral when she had been acrimoniously divorced from my father for over 25 years and no one wanted her there, least of all my grieving grandmother. Ergh.

PeppermintPasty · 06/08/2018 16:16

@boneshaker I reckon we are all sisters on this thread Grin

Just popped in with another classic...she used to regularly say to me, when I had transgressed, that she loved me but didn't like me. No, no, no, what a thing to say to your dc. And of course, even at a young age, I knew her use of the word 'love' in that sentence was only so she could make the clever comparison between love and like. She did love her little sayings.

MozzchopsThirty · 06/08/2018 16:47

@DontDrinkDontSmoke omg my mother also volunteers at a hospice
I also think she likes the drama

SquidgyBanana · 06/08/2018 16:59

Taking me and my DP to court to get half custody of my kids because she didn’t like that I had booked my dd into after school club while I was at uni... apparently this was ‘stopping her seeing the kids’ which is ironic because she never wanted to look after the kids before... there is just SO MUCH! I’ll never forget that during this court hearing, part of her statement against us was that my dp was ungrateful, rude and ignorant because he didn’t want a slice of her bloody trifle at Christmas that she had ‘slogged for hours making’ Hmm

SanFranBear · 06/08/2018 17:04

My dm said 'Wow, you're SO nurturing' - and she looked at me in wonderment. I remember standing there aghast thinking 'this is what you're meant to do

I had the exact same thing from my DM but I took it to mean she couldn't believe that I was so nurturing/caring.. she'd made me feel second best to my brother my entire life and so took it as yet another slur on me.

Neither are nice but I like your version better as it feels less personal and more as if being a mother was beyond her rather than, once again, I was the disappointment.

foxyliz26 · 06/08/2018 17:14

I feel we all had the same mother , as mine did most of the above totally manipulative and narcissistic, my M died for me a long time ago

I went to see my M one last time when she was really dying and had dementia, the cheeky cow said you always were my favourite ! So gave her a few home truths , got it all off my chest ,i felt much better ! She sat smiling none of it registered but it never did

I went to her funeral to bring closure for myself , and to make sure it wasnt more of her bullshit she had force fed me through my childhood

Buxtonstill · 06/08/2018 17:30

Comforting to know I'm not alone...

acousticversion · 06/08/2018 17:46

Sorry to read of the horrible things many of you have been subjected to ( Flowers )
In the case of my DM (most of these were when I was a teenager):

  • standing outside my bedroom door at midnight, making loud, fake sobbing noises in order to emotionally manipulate me. Just bizarre and performative.
  • doing her utmost to have me committed to psychiatric units on dubious grounds (she succeeded)
  • portraying herself as a “carer” and lying to all our relatives and friends about me and my “illness”
  • unsurprisingly, I have PTSD. So, of course, she claims to have PTSD.
  • general hypochondria
  • she tells her friends/random strangers how clever/talented I am (I’m not) in the most repugnant, simpering manner possible. She does not ever, of course, say anything nice TO me.
  • calls me fat and regularly tells me “don’t eat so much” (she spent years emotionally abusing me for being thin)
  • there’s very much a golden child/scapegoat dynamic going on with regards to my sibling and I.

Sorry, I know it´s pretty minor stuff in comparison. But I can´t talk about it with anyone in real life.

Wateroffaduck · 06/08/2018 17:48

SquidgyBanana I am sorry but I have to ask, did the court agree with her or was it rejected straight away?

MinaPaws · 06/08/2018 17:51

SanFran, my mother said to me on more than one occasion that if DS2 had been her son he would have died. He only lived because I took such very close care of him. (He was very ill for first three years of life.)

She said it in wonder, almost - how can you be bothered with all the faff of keeping him alive? And she's not the narc. She's the ditzy, passive enabler so locked into her narc husband that she neglected her children's basic needs (hygiene, clothes, money, emotional support against his constant rages etc).

SquidgyBanana · 06/08/2018 18:18

@Wateroffaduck it went to court and they threw it out. In true narcissist fashion she had nothing on us because there was nothing... we had reams and reams of nasty messages and emails from her to show at court so more fool her... I’ve never been happier than I am now I’m free of her ... took me 30 years to break free of her.. and there are about 15 other family members who she has ‘cut out’ I didn’t even know I was being abused... I idolised her and was manipulated since childhood to be dependent on her

The first thing I did to annoy her to the point where she was waiting for a reason to take me to court was when I named my ds a name she didn’t like... that was the beginning of the problems.

checkingforballoons · 06/08/2018 19:04

I’m nodding along to so many of these but I’m not sure I’m ready to write anything down. Might come back.

SquidgyBanana · 06/08/2018 19:27

@checkingforballoons I felt like that and then I wrote one thing and realised I could write a book ha ;)

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