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He’s being forced to stop seeing me

188 replies

AnnaB80 · 31/07/2018 22:50

My boyfriend is 42 years old & has 2 kids. He left his wife because he was really unhappy & didn’t love her anymore then he met me.
We have/had an amazing relationship, we connect so much on every level & both of us have never felt so in love.
His family were shocked that he left his wife & have totally taken her side over him.
They hate me even though they don’t know me, which I expected & can deal with to a point.
The ex wife & his family have now started using his children against him, saying if he continues to see me he cannot see his kids. He does not wangt to have to take it to court so he is pretending he is complying.
He had to move back in with his parents when he left & they are threatening to put him out if he is in contact with me. He works at the family business & has been told he will be jobless if in touch with me.
So basically he is being threatened with not getting access to his kids, being homeless, jobless & his entire family disowning him but we are so deeply in love & want to be together forever.
I am single with children of my own & they love him dearly. I have told him he can move in with us but doesn’t want to cause more grief.
They are monitoring his phone, Facebook etc & won’t even let him go to the shops on his own.
He thinks it’s just a matter of time before they get bored & back off but I am really struggling. They made him block me off everything but we have a way of messaging that they don’t know about but I have to wait on him messaging me. I have no idea when I will see him or hear from him but he keeps assuring me that it’s all going to work out & that he is doing this for our future. I have never loved anyone so much & he says the same but obviously his kids come first so he feels torn. I feel happier than ever when we’re together but since this happened I’ve only managed to see him twice for 10 minutes & all our conversation is through text when he gets a moment alone. I really don’t know what to do. I’d be grateful for any advice or opinions. X

OP posts:
Lizzie48 · 01/08/2018 08:59

He's definitely being controlled, but at 42 he should be able to stand on his own two feet and tell his parents to back off. Saying he's forced to do things makes him sound spineless. I get it about toxic families, as I grew up in one, but as an adult you nevertheless have a choice.

You need to be very cautious about this. If you get together with him for the long-term, then you're going to have to cope with toxic in laws. You'll be on here in years to come, complaining about your PIL from hell.

If you're determined to stick with him, you should be firm with him, that you're taking a break until he's actually got his life sorted out. And you need to mean it.

Joysmum · 01/08/2018 08:59

Maybe he should be getting some advice from the Dad’s equivalent of Mumsnet

It’s a fucking disgrace this should even need to be suggested.

Just think what reading many of the comments suggesting the victim is at fault could do to victims (women and men).

This is one of worst mumsnet threads I’ve seen in a while and a complete embarrassment to mumsnet and women 😡

Sunshineintheclouds · 01/08/2018 09:06

God I feel your pain op.

I had a brief relationship with a man in this kind of situation although it was not even his ex wife but just an ex gf who he had been seeing since high school.
His mum was a nightmare , texting me , turning up at my home and work telling me to leave him cause he should be with ex. Stealing his phone so so much more Hmm
Anyway in the end I told him his mum was far too much to deal with and I wasn't staying involved any longer.
Shame he was a great guy just had a very mad mother. He was 21 at the time.

RebelRogue · 01/08/2018 09:09

I think the replies are the way they are because it's op asking for advice not her DP/the victim.

And there are two options
1.he's lying about it all ,wouldn't be the first or the last , which is why people are suspicious.

  1. It's all true which doesn't bode well for the future of OP or her kids.

It would be irresponsible to encourage OP to see him as a desperate soul with her as the possible saviour or some kind of star crossed lovers situation . Especially with children on both sides being involved.

It's obvious what OP wants to hear,that doesn't mean it's what her and her kids need.

Sisgal · 01/08/2018 09:14

Sorry but you are hugely naive if you think any of this is true. He's taking the complete piss out of you. Bin him. Not worth this amount of hassle.

Branleuse · 01/08/2018 09:20

Youre being taken for. Ride. His declarations of fighting against all the odds possibly reinforce your ideas of being star crossed lovers destined to be together forever, but honestly, you barely know him. Something doesnt add up. Nobody can be controlled like this at that age unless something is seriously wrong with their boundaries.
Take the rose tinted specs off

SlightlyMisplacedSingleDad · 01/08/2018 09:48

Well, mumsnet users haven't exactly covered themselves in glory here. Let's start by saying the things that shouldn't need saying (But clearly do). Men can be - and are - also victims of domestic abuse. In fact, 1 in 3 victims in the UK is male. Those men are no more to blame for their abuse than female victims. It. Is. Not. Their. Fault. There are a myriad of reasons why people find themselves on the receiving end of abuse, which can come from years of having their self-esteem chipped away at. Male victims are far less likely than female victims to seek help, or tell anybody about the abuse they are experiencing. The reasons for that should be pretty obvious to anybody reading the shameful comments on this thread that lay the blame with the male victim, rather than with his abusers. You are part of the problem.

So, the first part of my advice is aimed at your partner. I would suggest that he starts by calling the Mankind Initiative on 01823 334244. They are a charity that specialises in supporting male victims of abuse, and will be able to help him with both practical and emotional support. He needs to take steps to secure his access to his children - he may be worried about the Family Court, but he should be reassured that a Judge will take a very dim view indeed of his ex's behaviour. Threatening to withhold contact in order to control his behaviour is abusive not just towards him, but also to the children. A court will take that VERY seriously. Beyond that, he needs to take real, practical steps to detach from his family and establish his own life. That means finding a place to live, and finding a new job. None of that will be easy. And so, my final piece of advice to him is something you may not wish to hear, OP. This man should not be in a relationship right now. He has a lot of work to do on himself - emotional work to understand how he has tolerated this, and equip him with healthier boundaries. And practical work, to rebuild his life and secure a positive future for him and his kids. Until he has done that work, he doesn't have the wherewithal for a healthy, positive relationship. In fact, a relatinlonship will only distract him from the work that he needs to do.

So, turning to you. You clearly have a lot of compassion for this man, and care about him deeply. It is possible to do that, while recognising that it is not your job to 'fix' him. He really isn't in a place where he can be a good partner to you right now. Recognising that doesn't mean he isn't a good man, or that - in other circumstances- this couldn't have been a great match. But you need to maintain your own healthy boundaries - and that means recognising that this chap is not ready for a new relationship, and won't be for some time.

Good luck to both of you. And who knows - if this is truly meant to be, then you may find yourselves brought together again in the future. But first, he needs to sort himself out, take control of his life, get the practicalities in place, and do the hard work on himself so that he can come to a new relationship from a healthier place.

Branleuse · 01/08/2018 09:51

Well, mumsnet users haven't exactly covered themselves in glory here

LOL, you do realise that mumsnet is just a group of random women dont you? none of us are individually or collectively representative of mumsnet as a group. Its just a discussion board

SandyY2K · 01/08/2018 09:51

Relationships shouldn't be this hard. An angry Ex and kids are enough baggage to deal with... yet you have the whole family to contend with.

It can't be worth the headache...life's too short.

I'm surprised that someone allegedly being controlled to this level, had the gumption to actually leave his marriage.

I'd have thought such controling parents would force him to go back.

I'm doubtful you're getting the whole story from him OP.

As with most situations...there is his side, her side and the truth. Or alternatively different perspectives.

It all sounds rather bizarre...but life is stranger than fiction at times.

Coolcool · 01/08/2018 10:00

It’s not a thread about the victim (if he is genuinely a victim) and how to help and support a 42 year old man who lives with his parents and can’t go for a walk. It’s about what would help op and i agree with most pps who are saying, whatever the truth, let him get on with it and protect yourself and your children.

Nellia · 01/08/2018 10:09

@Annabb8
He left his wife a year ago.... Really did they divorce during this time? Did he get his own place and clearly establish himself as a single man to friends and family? Did he introduce you to his kids as his new girlfriend and their potential step parent?

If not, you are the other woman. You are having a fling with a very selfish and immature man who is riding the drama wave with you to make up for the dull nature of a life over which he has little control.
After living such a life for 42 years its highly unlikely he will ever leave it. You are just a fantasy an escape from reality. Of which if he was to ever break free and move in with you I suspect he would quickly morph into someone else who rather than being your hero or equal would be a dependent that pulls you down, especially if he at 42 is still being controlled by family as he claims. What are you going to do shack your self and your children up with a homeless unemployable manchild.

It sounds like you have been through a difficult time where relationships are concerned and as such became an easy mark or suitable candidate for the position he has put you in.

You are an adult with children of your own stop playing this game, stop showing them that it is okay to be second best or to end up with worthless men.

walk away.

Mousefunky · 01/08/2018 10:13

He is being abused and controlled. I can understand his reluctance to take his ex to court, lose his abode and also his job- who wouldn’t be worried about all of that?!

If I were you, I would stay away from it all. It sounds messy, complicated and just like unnecessary drama and negativity nobody needs in their life.

SandyY2K · 01/08/2018 11:17

@Nellia
He left his wife a year ago.... Really did they divorce during this time?

He'd have to wait for 2 years and that's with her consent. Unless there was adultery, desertion or unreasonable behaviour.

Did he get his own place and clearly establish himself as a single man to friends and family?

Probably being strapped for cash he moved in with mum and dad...but you're right as far as establishing himself as a single man. Doesnt sound like he did that.

tropicalwaterdiver · 01/08/2018 11:39

Do you know his situation from his words only? Or from other people as well? The whole dynamics looks like an affair dynamics - he was found out and his family sided with his wife and put pressure on him.

If his family was so controlling, I doubt they would allow him to leave his wife at the first place.

User1011 · 01/08/2018 11:45

Are you from very different backgrounds?
Does his family have some sort of business connection with the ex-wife?

Guest2025 · 01/08/2018 11:52

Even if he split with his wife that time ago, I imagine from there side there was a thought they would stay together. Maybe they did try to get back together? one things for sure, they don't have a reason to just dislike you. i do suspect crossed wires.... I think you've been played somewhere

BeenThereDone · 01/08/2018 11:53

Not sure I believe any of this.....

  1. He's either still married and living with the wife and keeping you at arms length so you don't get any ideas..

2.Affair and dw has found out

  1. There is no way a 42 yo man is policed that heavily if he has done nothing more than leave an unhappy marriage with no third party involved. Just no way. Even if the separation only just happened
  1. Sounds like you have been together a while if your kids 'really love' him

Like I said something not right about this one

FourFriedChickensDryWhiteToast · 01/08/2018 11:58

he is either back with the wife or a wet little mouse of a man that you surely wouldn't want to be with anyway.

Iwasjustabouttosaythat · 01/08/2018 12:20

Er, but more important than any of that, OP, are you seriously considering moving this man into your house with your children? You haven’t even known him 8 months! They shouldn’t even know of his existence yet, let alone “love him”. And regardless of how much you “love” this man, you don’t know him. You really don’t after such a short period of time. Take a step back. Let him sort himself out. Get him away from your children until you actually know him and know whether this is going anyway. Don’t move him into your children’s home! What are you thinking?

Nellia · 01/08/2018 12:33

@sandyy2k unreasonable behaviour does cover a wide variety of issues making divorce possible before 2 years.

Strapped for.cash just doesnt cut it as an excuse for me. Personally would not get involved with a man who is 42 years of age and still relying on parents to support them when it should be the other way round.

Essentially this guy does not sound like a good addition to ops family. What really is he bringing to the table besides trouble and strife.

FourFriedChickensDryWhiteToast · 01/08/2018 12:36

" trouble and strife."

geddit????!!!

POPholditdown · 01/08/2018 12:43

*The lack of sympathy because he is a man is disturbing, women who are in controlling relationships are not weak or they don't have no balls and they are not told to grow a backbone etc.

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.*

Quite.

This is absolutely believable. My own family have behaved in this way with me, not at 42 but an adult never the less. It can be difficult to even see an escape, nevermind actually escape when you’re threatened with losing everything, and there’s no guarantee you’ll ever be free/safe.

SmileSweetly · 01/08/2018 12:46

In his 40's and still beholden to his parents for a job & roof over his head, getting escorted out the house and phone checked etc. To be brutally honest he sounds like a loser.

Why tie yourself to someone so pathetic, and drag him into your DC lives?

Run for the hills OP, there are much better men out there!

FourFriedChickensDryWhiteToast · 01/08/2018 12:48

tbh if I heard of a woman being treated like that, I would think she was really wet.

FuckPants · 01/08/2018 12:49

Okay, in the next thread about a woman in a controlling relationship I'm going to call her a loser and pathetic.

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