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How do we come back from this argument?

162 replies

Sunrise888 · 25/06/2018 05:31

DH and I have had bad colds all weekend so neither of us are feeling great. DH was getting a headache so I told him to go to bed and I would settle down DS who is 1yo.

Before he did, I started to talk about a photographer who is visiting our baby class and whether we should bother getting photos. DH initially said he trusted me to use my own judgement, but when I persisted for his opinion, he snapped that photographers were overpriced and insulted the expensive wedding photographer we used and the pictures we got out of it. (The photographer had been my choice and I had talked DH into it, paying the excess of what we'd planned to pay out of my own pocket. We've said since that we should have got someone else, but the photos are mostly fine/lovely.) I felt really hurt that he was throwing this in my face and retorted that we'd paid far more for all the friends he'd invited and I was pressured to invite when I'd only wanted a very small family wedding. (Again we've talked about this before. DH had a great day, but when I told him much later I hadn't enjoyed it as much because of all the people, he felt terrible that he had pressured me into a wedding I didn't enjoy.)

Anyway, he saw how upset I was so he took DS off me and said he'd put him to bed, so I went to bed on my own. Later he needed help setting DS which I did. He apologised and asked we don't argue in front of DS, but I was still too upset to say anything.

We've not been getting on so well - the stress of the wedding and having a baby have not brought out the best in us. DH was really, really great in the face of it all, looked after me and excused a lot because I'd had a baby. But in the last few months his patience had worn thin a bit, and he's started to snipe back, which he recognised and is trying to contain. Since we've had the baby, I've been less kind to him. He half jokes about me being mean to him and I do apologise, but recently he's started to snipe back. I feel like because I've been so difficult this last year, I've turned my lovely DH into someone a little less lovely. 😪

I do feel bad about last night in that he was probably just feeling ill and I was talking to him when he just wanted to go to bed. And this is the first time I have said anything to purposefully hurt DH - I didn't just blurt it out, I thought about what I was going to say, and said it knowing it would hurt him. I hate myself but I'm still angry.

I need talking down. We are supposed to make some big decisions with houses and moving today and I am feeling petty wanting to postpone the decisions because I'm so mad. I think sometimes we should get counseling, but I also think I haven't slept a full night in a year and this is just how things are with a baby,, and it will get better.

I'd love some advice please. I hate apologising without talking things through - I don't feel very genuine about my apology otherwise. But I don't think the wedding photographer/wedding pressure talk is one I want to have again as we can't change the past.

OP posts:
Sunrise888 · 25/06/2018 07:00

@CircleofWillis

What examples of ‘meanness’ or ‘dopeyness’ do you have?

Dopeyness to do with everyday stuff, forgetting colour catchers in the washing machine, that kind of thing. I pretend to act a bit dumb to wind him up, which he usually finds cute, but I think my trolling him is making him feel a bit exasperated now, so I should probably cut back.

Meaness, he half jokes that I'm being mean when I'm teasing him. I should stop even though he says not to. I know my tone with him is not as soft as it was since we had the baby - it's much sharper and I have less patience and am more abrupt, and now he is too.

Agree with the rest of your post.

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Jenala · 25/06/2018 07:01

It seems like a bad start that you couldn't even communicate properly over your own wedding. You both need to learn to speak without getting defensive and angry.

Sunrise888 · 25/06/2018 07:02

@Loopytiles timeouts, a few mins to a few hours sometimes.

Am I being a bit immature in doing this?

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Sunrise888 · 25/06/2018 07:06

@Masterbuilders @AnElderlyLadyOfMediumHeight

Yes you're right, sorry for the dramatic title, I meant to write "How do we come back from this argument". I was feeling angry and unreasonable and just wanted a talking down, which give all helped me with.

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Bumpitybumper · 25/06/2018 07:07

@Bluetrews25
I had a similar problem with my DC and they eventually naturally got much better at self settling just before they turned 18 months. Stop trying to guilt and scare OP into sleep training.

Also OP don't listen to those posters who make out that a bit of grumpiness is akin to abuse. The example you outline in your original post does definitely not fall into the abusive category and if this is genuinely the worst incident you've had then I don't think you need to be too worried. Could it be that you are both used to an extremely harmonious relationship with little conflict and the baby has caused you both to become a little bit less tolerant with each other resulting in some conflict? If so, please keep a bit of perspective that whilst it's something you can work on, it's not necessarily the end of the world.

FuckPants · 25/06/2018 07:08

I pretend to act a bit dumb to wind him up, which he usually finds cute, but I think my trolling him is making him feel a bit exasperated now, so I should probably cut back.

Fuck me, that'd piss me off no end.

*timeouts, a few mins to a few hours sometimes.

Am I being a bit immature in doing this?*

I'm sorry, but are you saying that you stonewall your husband for a few hours sometimes? If you do, you need to grow up and fast.

No wonder your husband is less tolerant.

Sunrise888 · 25/06/2018 07:10

@Masterbuilders

If this were a reversal the phrase potentially emotionally abusive would’ve been said. Tired or not.

I don't want to emotionally abuse DH 😥. I don't want to hurt him - I normally am able to check myself before I say anything deliberately hurtful, and this is the first time that I didn't. But I'll think about this.

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NameChange30 · 25/06/2018 07:10

Honestly? We’ve had much worse fights since DS was born. I’m not saying your relationship is perfect and there’s nothing you need to work on, clearly there is, but I’m saying don’t beat yourself up about it. None of us are perfect especially not when sleep deprived and especially not when ill. I suggest you work on being more aware of when you and your DH are tired and not pushing each other during those times. If he said he didn’t mind about the photos there was really no need to discuss it further.
Clearly you also need to be careful not to be mean to him. Are you sometimes mean because you are feeling resentful about something? If so maybe think about whether something is bothering you and talking to him about it rather than just taking it out on him.
It is hard though when you have a baby and very little time for yourselves and each other. So be a bit kind to yourself as well as him.

Dermymc · 25/06/2018 07:15

Gosh you sound wearing.

The fact you ignore your dh for hours is emotionally manipulative at best and abuse at worst.

You are clearly exhausted. How old is baby? I suggest sleep training may help you all even though you don't want to.

Your dh is a Saint to be honest. Baby or not your behaviour would tip anyone over the edge.

BoxsetsAndPopcorn · 25/06/2018 07:15

I pretend to act a bit dumb to wind him up, which he usually finds cute, but I think my trolling him is making him feel a bit exasperated now, so I should probably cut back

Mmm, i wonder why he is less tolerant. If you were a partner of my children I'd advise them to seriously look at their options. Life is too short for sulking, playing games and being mean. If makes for awful daily life.

Sunrise888 · 25/06/2018 07:15

@RainySeptember

I don't read that as him being mean really, given that your recent wedding experience was salient to the discussion.

I felt like it was a dig at me because it was my choice, and he was blaming me for spending an excessive amount of money, forgetting that I paid the excess. I am a bit sensitive about it I guess.

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Getoffthetableplease · 25/06/2018 07:15

It's all change after a baby, your relationship will never be the same - doesn't mean it can't be better, but it's definitely much harder work. You need to both draw a line under past disagreements and accept they are done with, for a start. Tiredness and stress can lead to a million squabbles so unless you want to become 'that' couple it's probably best to pick your battles extremely carefully now. If there's nothing you can do about nights then maybe just take half an hour or so each day/evening for a bit of meditation (loads on YouTube) so you're not always feeling frazzled. I think tiredness has such a big part to play.

Sunrise888 · 25/06/2018 07:21

@Bumpitybumper

Thanks for your post. I'm not going to sleep train. I think DS is slowly sleeping for longer stretches and not needing as many comfort feeds now so hopefully it will soon be better. It's just been a long year.

Could it be that you are both used to an extremely harmonious relationship with little conflict and the baby has caused you both to become a little bit less tolerant with each other resulting in some conflict?

Yes this is something I've been thinking about. We've not had too many serious arguments until now and weren't really tested until we got married and had the baby. Now we are struggling to cope with seeing/living with each other's worst sides.

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QueenArnica · 25/06/2018 07:23

It’s a positive step that you’ve begun to recognise the impact of your behaviour. I used to be your dh in our marriage and trust me after years of it, it is no longer endearing.
We went for counselling which saved our marriage as these type of behaviours are very difficult to eradicate when they are so ingrained. It can change and you can be happy if you work in it.
First step is to say sorry and let him know where you went wrong in that conversation. Good luck op Smile

kirta · 25/06/2018 07:23

We've had some proper humdingers since we had a baby. Luckily we can both step back and look at the circumstance of being dog tired and a little less tolerant and get over it.

This sounds like you have pushed and pushed for an opinion, and not liked what you have heard. You then brought in another bone of contention about your wedding in what sounds like a power play.

I'd really consider cooling off with the 'dopyness' game because frankly you're an adult, with a family, and you know this is something that pushes his buttons (it would drive me fucking batty).

Maybe pick your battles, or times of battles. Knackered and poorly isn't necessarily going to end up with a meaningful conversation!

Hope you are both feeling better soon.

Quartz2208 · 25/06/2018 07:26

Honestly acting dumb, teasing him, stonewalling him, pushing him to have an opinion and then overreacting when he does and throwing it back in his face is emotionally manipulative and abusive

Sunrise888 · 25/06/2018 07:27

@FuckPants

I'm sorry, but are you saying that you stonewall your husband for a few hours sometimes? If you do, you need to grow up and fast.

Ok, I appreciate the advice. I guess when I do this I'm trying to think through why I'm so upset - I find it hard to verbalise it otherwise. Because otherwise I don't have anything to say other than feeling angry and being at risk of saying something I don't mean. I don't ignore him or anything, I just want to put off any more discussion until I know what to say. Is this more harmful than continuing the argument in anger?

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Quartz2208 · 25/06/2018 07:29

Even now you are still angry but about what exactly? Given your title I was expecting something much worse and the only really bad behaviour is from you

Sunrise888 · 25/06/2018 07:29

@AnotherEmma thanks. I guess I build up a lot of petty resentments during the day. I don't hold anything over time, but the wedding was a big one.

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NotTakenUsername · 25/06/2018 07:29

Are you quite young, op? I ask that in the kindest way possible. I didn’t really really grow up until after I got married and had a child because I never really needed to or had any motivation to. It sounds as if you (again in the kindest way) need to grow up now. A bit of personal talking therapy might help you with that sort of transition.

Quartz2208 · 25/06/2018 07:30

Op just seen your message you need to look into how to manage your anger as your responses are out of proportion

Sunrise888 · 25/06/2018 07:30

@Dermymc I don't ignore him, I tell him I need to think about what I want to say. I'm fine to deal with anything else.

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Quartz2208 · 25/06/2018 07:31

Sunrise that too is manipulative

What are you angry at last night from what he did

Sunrise888 · 25/06/2018 07:34

@BoxsetsAndPopcorn I feel affection for him when I'm teasing him, it's my stupid way of showing love and say, if I joke about us being lost in the car, when we are clearly not, then it's appreciation for driving us somewhere. But obviously if that's changed and he finds it annoying then I'll stop and just tell him thank you straight out.

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Bumpitybumper · 25/06/2018 07:36

@Quartz2208
Have you ever had a disagreement with your partner? If so, in every disagreement have you always acted impeccably and reasonably even when sleep deprived and under a lot of stress? If you have then I would suggest you are very much in the minority and holding others to impossible ideals.

OP admits that she is imperfect, identified areas she needs to work on and has come here to ask advice. Banging on about how any unideal behaviour is tantamount to abuse is just so incredibly unhelpful and to be honest really undermines real cases of abuse.