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Being the other woman/conniving in deception/dropping the trapdoor

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Smudge100 · 09/06/2018 20:08

Six years ago I came home from work to find my then husband had thoughtfully changed the locks on the house before eloping with the woman down the road. When I finally gained entry, I discovered that they had everything useful and even my poor dog.

It’s a common enough story. However, the lady in question was someone I felt close to. She had successfully posed as a friend to both of us, so successfully in fact that I never had an inkling that she had having an affair with my husband for eighteen months. I was later to learn that they had planned their departure to coincide with her reaching pensionable age (at 50, I might add), so that they could both retire to the area where my then husband and I had for years planned to spend our twilight years. Every detail had been carefully put in place. I was left to discover over the ensuing few months not only how methodical and comprehensive their planning had been, but how heavily it had relied upon my ignorance of it. I still struggle with the scale of that duplicity and the extent of my own wilful blindness.

In the intervening years I have given considerable thought to the steely nerves and the sheer brazenness it must have taken for her to maintain that equaniminous demeanour of unruffled nonchalance whilst pursuing a project that she knew would rob me not just of my future, but my faith in human nature and in my own judgement. I’m not suggesting that she owed me a duty of loyalty – far from it - she owed me much less than my equally devious ex-husband. But strangely, I have actually wondered more about her role in it than his. My question is not: have you ever been the Other Woman? There have been plenty of threads in that particular well-worn vein, though I certainly wouldn’t want to discourage anyone with that particular experience from posting, in fact I’d be very interested to hear your point of view. It is however rather, have you ever been a party to the carefully-planned and protracted deception of a third party, particularly someone you knew well? If so, why? Was it for personal gain? Did you despise your victim? Feel they deserved what they got? Ever feel a tinsy bit guilty or the need to justify/rationalise it to yourself? What were your motives exactly? I’m not here to judge anyone, I’m long beyong that now, I’m just still curious about the psychological dynmamic of cheating, the whole process of misleading, placating, dissembling before another person, of not being yourself, of not showing your true face and the strain that places, if any, on the person practising deception. Please feel free to be brutally honest. If only they had been.

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Irregularchoicesss · 10/06/2018 15:42

It's not just about being glamorous.

It's about being a feminine woman. It's about not letting the domestic get in the way of the relationship. If your only conversation is can you pick up milk, it's boring. It's about shutting the door when using the bathroom. Not letting them see you in a face mask or plucking your eyebrows.

I agree with sunny. That's it completely and utterly with bells on.

I'll say it again. If you are a naggy whiner, who doesn't put out or take care of yourself you are at risk of them straying. If you don't make them feel good, someone else will.

Trying to change how men think isn't going to work. You can try, by all means but success rates are low.

Men want feminine women.

0lwen · 10/06/2018 15:43

@itssunnyontheterrace and yet when you leave a man because he was entitled and selfish (not that exciting himself, not that fit himself but always with half an eye out elsewhere) they are shocked. Without fail. Every time you leave a man like this, they're shocked.

So your post may be correct if we assume that the ONE script is women must be exciting and fun to keep a man, and if they're not 'fun' 100% of the time they deserve to be left. My own script was that a man must be decent and able to compromise to keep a woman with self -worth.

Wallissimpson2 · 10/06/2018 15:44

Yup, I agree re feminine and hot

Initiate sex, wear a thong if he likes it. Send a sext, SOMETHING.

0lwen · 10/06/2018 15:46

@irregularchoices, genuine question here (and I have never managed this) have you ever lived with a man and done merely half of the tasks. It's not something I've ever managed to negotiate myself due to men's entitlement to be looked after and entertained.
I have ended relationships and walked away from a marriage and bailed on new relationships because I see this attitute in men. I don't get a kick out of being tonight's show. I want a man who sees me as an equal.

So I'll admit I've never successfully been one half of an equal partnership. I always have to walk away from relationships because they are never equal. I wonder if you have managed it or if you want to?

fuzzywuzzy · 10/06/2018 15:47

I knew a woman who did similar.

Her reasoning was utter selfishness.

She was desperate for a husband and family for her children and decided to take it.

I think also for her there was an element of competition, she enjoyed being the one who was ‘chosen’.

She justified it by insisting her partner was in a terrible marriage and ex was unhinged etc etc. Except the man hadn’t left his allegedly unhinged wife till that point. And when he left her he also left his son and newborn baby. Exactly what one does when leaving an insane and dangerous spouse one also leaves their helpless children with the crazy spouse because that’s so safe.

She also thrives on drama.

He day she unfriended me for calling her out on her behaviour was the best. She has since been doing her best to try and get back into contact with me. I’m about to move house and she will after that never be able to contact me again.

I really do not like her.

0lwen · 10/06/2018 15:48

@wallissimpson2, that is the unappealing side of men. That is the side I want to see less of not more of. Their entitlement to a whore in the bedroom, a chef in the kitchen etc.... screw that. Rather be single.

Irregularchoicesss · 10/06/2018 15:52

Olwen

If you are expecting a relationship to be equal you are going to be waiting a long time. Men offer certain qualities. But not everything a woman needs. A woman needs good girl friends and interests and life of her own. I have never let mine think he has caught me. He still has to work to catch me even now. It's the only way. Once they have you and get comfy it's game over.

No is the short answer. Hence I got a cleaner.

Huskylover1 · 10/06/2018 16:11

Irregularchoicesss What will you do, when you are getting on a bit, and even the sexiest underwear isn't going to look great on you, and you can't compete, looks wise, with that single 25 year old, that he sits next to at work? You are so wrapped up in your view, that you don't seem to expect your Partner to deep down love you for you.

God forbid if he saw you hoovering, then he would have to stick his penis elsewhere. Can't you see how crazy this is? You do know, that most Men (Yes, real men with penises and everything) actually do domestic chores, as for most people, that's life.

So you are married then?

Irregularchoicesss · 10/06/2018 16:18

Oh husky. I'm sorry that you are so bitter. I can't make that go away. No one but you can heal that.

I am very happy in my life. I wish you the same.

Good luck all!

Huskylover1 · 10/06/2018 16:43

Irregularchoicesss

I'm not bitter. I left my cheating Ex, and I met someone else, who is now my DH. He has never cheated, and we are very happy.

I'm trying to make you see, that love has to be more than skin deep. I do agree, that if you let yourself go, and neglect your relationship, that you could risk losing your Partner. However, I don't agree that you mustn't do anything domestic, for fear of turning him off. That's not real life. Certainly, if you don't have the money to pay for help, like a daily cleaner (which, let's face it, most people don't).

You seem to be turning yourself inside out, to please your man, and I think this is because of the affair partners that you had, and what they said about why they cheated on their wives. Most of which, will have been a pack of lies, because they wanted to get in to your pants. They basically told you, that they were shagging OW, because their wives had turned domestic and boring. You've stored that away in your brain, and now feel obliged to be exciting/sexy/interesting for your man, every minute of every day. It sounds exhausting to me.

Does he do the same for you?

If we follow your reasoning, then when you get older, your Partner will have every reason to cheat, yes?

Or, you know, your love could run deeper than that, and perhaps you could rely on him not being an arsehole, with the morals of an alleycat? Because he loves you.

I see that you didn't answer my questions, though.

Blaablaablaa · 10/06/2018 16:55

@irregularchoicess I used to think that's what it took to have a successful relationship. I did everything you described. It was exhausting and damaged my self esteem no end because nothing was good enough.
You know what? He still cheated.

I'm now in an equal partnership. I like to look good, still go to the gym, we have sex most days etc but I do that because we're in love not because I feel I have, to because if I don't he will stray. I also have days where I'm stressed, don't look my best , can be snappy but so does he. That's a real relationship.

I've had what you have and it's hard work, false and never ends well

Irregularchoicesss · 10/06/2018 17:20

Right. I've had enough now.

I have a cleaner as I don't want to do domestic chores. If I do them I get pissy. I hate ironing. It causes disharmony. It's not about anything you are banging on about.

You have both entirely missed the point. You are thick. I am not some performing seal. It's the other way around. I have a cleaner so I'm not exhausted. That's the whole fucking point. I don't have sex on demand. I do as I wish. I don't have self esteem issues. That's why i have a successful relationship. He knows and I know that I could easily get someone else. That's the point. I look fantastic. I am feminine. I am not afraid of losing him it is the other way around.

You don't get it and I can't help you. I don't give a fuck about you or your lives quite honestly. Find another thread to harass!

RainySeptember · 10/06/2018 17:25

Irregularchoices, but what happens if you can't sustain that? If you get ill, or fall on hard times financially, if you experience a bereavement that devastates you?

Surely you wouldn't think it was fair enough for your dh to stray, because you couldn't afford a cleaner, or developed limited mobility, or whatever other terrible bad luck can befall a marriage.

I hope you'd expect your dh to love you, the very bones of you, throughout the hard times, because that's one of the best things about marriage - supporting not just entertaining each other.

I think you're making a classic mistake of victim blaming. 'That couldn't happen to me because...' . It's a fallacy. If it was down to boredom, Beyoncé wouldn't have been cheated on. Surveys show time and time again that the single biggest driver of infidelity is 'opportunity' and it can happen to the best of us.

0lwen · 10/06/2018 17:26

@irregularchoices, thanks for answering the question.

Interesting. You say that if I'm waiting for a relationship to be equal I'll be waiting a long time. Well I'm single. Maybe you're right! I'll turn to dust waiting. And yet, my irregular choice then is to remain single, I guess. I am glad I'm not putting on a sexy performance to win some ass who thinks he's entitled to more than I deserve. It just wouldn't give me any pleasure at all.

0lwen · 10/06/2018 17:28

If we're thick for not getting it then why did you name change!?

Blaablaablaa · 10/06/2018 17:30

Haha touched a nerve have we?

No need to insult us. I'm certainly not thick and i have considerable experience to draw upon. I used to think like you and i would have argued I was right until the cows came home. What you describe is not a healthy relationship and appears to be strongly influenced but you numerous relationships with married men. You have chosen to believe the tales they told you about their wives. That's not how real relationships work.....it's not right to be worried that your husband will stray if you ask him to do his own ironing or if you're having a tough time and don't look great/'put out'/nag etc.

But I wish you all the best .....

Butterfield8 · 10/06/2018 17:45

A view from a different persepective. My mother chose to be OW when I was a teenager. For many years I watched her behave in the most despicable way and talk horribly about her “lover’s” wife. We were made to include him in family occasions, have dinner with him etc. but, of course, we were kept secret from his family and never met them. It badly affected my self-esteem and I felt very confused about the right and wrong of it for a long time....until I found my own position in relation to the situation. I haven’t seen or spoken to her for 15 years. I had no respect left for her and couldn’t accept the situation any longer (he stayed with his wife throughout). I heard that he stopped seeing my mother a couple of years ago, after 30 wasted years of her life.

Huskylover1 · 10/06/2018 18:12

He knows and I know that I could easily get someone else. That's the point. I look fantastic. I am feminine. I am not afraid of losing him it is the other way around

You forgot to add "Modesty" to your list of attributes Grin

So, after 10 years, he still doesn't feel that he's "got you" and he's constantly afraid of losing you, because, you "look fantastic". That sounds awfully painful for him, why are you making him feel like that after ten years? Bizarre.

Me and my husband have absolutely 100% got each others backs. I know he is mine. He knows that he "has me". That's a solid marriage. Your Partner not husband must feel like he's on shifting ground all of the time. That in itself could lead him astray. I could well imagine a man leaving a vain woman, because after 10 years she still banged on about how great she looked, and how she could get any other man she wanted.

And what about 30 years from now, when you don't look so fantastic? What then?

diamondsandrose · 10/06/2018 18:30

You claim to look fantastic, hmm ok. People who say things that rarely are.

But fuck me your personality could do with some work

Maybe your partner would like to have an affair with someone who isn't an arsehole

diamondsandrose · 10/06/2018 18:35

It's you that's missing the point

Affairs happen because people want something DIFFERENT from the norm and no one is exempt

Ask Beyoncé, Jennifer Aniston etc etc

You being feminine and not doing ironing means fuck all apart from he might fancy a masculine looking domestic whizz when he wants a change!

Zhabr · 10/06/2018 19:07

agree witn Diamond-different. Think Arnold Schwarzenegger and the maid: totally different from his glorious wife.

Zhabr · 10/06/2018 19:08

Sorry meant glamorous, not covered in glorySmile

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 10/06/2018 19:30

Men you've committed adultery with or seen on hook up sites are a self selecting group. I would not extrapolate from them what all men are like or indeed base my behaviour in relationships on how to hang onto one like that, because really why would you want to?

Understampable · 10/06/2018 19:33

Never done it myself, but a close friend of mine had a long affair with the husband of another very close friend, confidante and colleague of hers.

Lots of ongoing deception. Lots of planning. Unbelievable stuff went on. Ended quite similarly to your story, OP.

I think the lust and (eventually) love my friend felt for him just drowned out all reasonableness. She was like a woman possessed. She was also in a deeply unhappy and lonely place at the time and lapped up his attention desperately. I think for her the misery of deception was not as bad as the misery of ending it and getting the periodic highs of seeing him. TBH she did always have those tendencies and used to compete with people for their boyfriends for as long as I knew her.

GertieMotherwell · 10/06/2018 19:47

Irregularchoicesss
Your life isn’t real. You’ve created a fantasy life in an effort to not lose your partner to someone like you. So very sad.

What I love about my DH isn’t the gifts of jewellery and handbags, it’s the way he cooks me dinner, looks after me when I’m sick. It’s the mundane stuff that makes a marriage real