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I am onit, hear me ROAR (occasionally)

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onitlikeacarbonnet · 02/04/2018 21:50

Thread no.5 Shock

Hope you all find me or I’ll just be talking to myself.

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Weenurse · 28/12/2018 07:36

Happy Christmas and New Years 💐 . Here’s hoping it is a much better one for you and your family

YearOfYouRemember · 30/12/2018 11:03

I wish I could help practically Onit. I'm not sure how old your DS is but mine has had a growth spirt. Could I help with clothes? More than happy to see them go to use.

Sithee · 01/01/2019 05:53

Happy New Year Onit. Been thinking about you over Christmas. I hope 2019 is kind to you and your family x

Underthefur · 01/01/2019 14:21

Happy New Year Onit, may it bring you peace and happiness x

onitlikeacarbonnet · 02/01/2019 18:21

Sorry Blush
Happy new year Gin
Are you having a good holiday? I feel like it’s almost over and I’ve only had the dc 2 days so far, Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. I got them back this morning so I’m in full on responsibility mode again. I drove up from the bf’s this morning.
Been there since Thursday with his 3 lads (finally met his eldest 😊) and his grown up nephew who we went on hols with. They’d all left by teatime on Monday night.
Despite missing my dc and having a wee cry every so often it was a good distraction. Boys just don’t give a shit about stuff. I think we could all learn a thing or 2 and life would be much more relaxed. We’d lose track of time and be smellier but we’d be so much less stressed Grin
I’ve slept more in the last 5 days than in the last month I think. I reverted to teenager time. Up till 3am and sleeping till lunchtime and had no awareness of time at all ❤️
I’m sooooo happy to get my babies back but I’m already having to face the reality of many more communications with LCB.
I can’t afford the lawyer. So I’ve no choice but to attempt it alone.
I need to sit down and go over everything. Feels like I’m starting from scratch and all the thousands of pounds I’ve spent have been for nothing.

DS was so clingy for the first hour after they came home. Said he misses saying goodnight to me. I said he could call or text every night if he wanted and he said he’s not allowed his phone in his room.
We’ve got the rest of the holidays but I’m so angry that out of those 5 days I’m working 3. They’ve been at their dads the last 7 days and I was off 6 of them.
My friend is watching them tomorrow and the bf is on duty for the weekend. I haven’t left them with him for that long before but I’ve no other choice really. This should be LCB’s weekend but amazingly he offered me this one after the court order basically gave him them all. He and ow went for a spa break last year so I’d guess a similar arrangement this year.

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MsPavlichenko · 02/01/2019 19:42

Happy New Year Onit! Glad to hear that you got so much rest in if nothing else! And that you have an extra weekend with the DC. I expect they'll be happy just to chill at home, even with you at work and look forward to you getting back from work. Try just to enjoy the time before they go back to school.

Re the legal stuff. Again worth looking at the bigger picture in terms of what to , in terms of time spent with you and LCB. I know he is a controlling arsehole, but I am unconvinced he wants DC fulltime or anything like atm. And the years quickly roll by as you know.

New Year. New mention of FP. Even online. I know I am evangelical but I do think it will help you in so many ways. Including how you approach / deal with LCB on both the bigger picture/ day to day stuff. Lecture over. You are a Star in terms of what you have achieved. Remember that!

onitlikeacarbonnet · 02/01/2019 20:40

MsP it is on my to do list.
There’s no local programme. Nearest is about an hour away; which I’d be prepared to do if the timing is right. Tbh it’d be a miracle as school hours one day a week are really my only free time without giving up counselling on my other day off.
I will look at the online programme again.
I have read living with the dominator a couple of times over and can absolutely see the usefulness of it.
Would much prefer to sit in a room and be able to discuss it than be alone at home but if needs must. And they really must.

He doesn’t want them FT. But he’s becoming more and more of a dick about money. Not overtly. And not where I can challenge it.
It’s little things like they come home in clothes too small or worn out when they’ve gone in decent stuff. He’s wrangled his way out of the 2 meals a week he used to feed them and, though he’s gained an overnight with them which could potentially cut his maintenance payment, he only has 4 bowls of cereal to provide extra.
Or their trainers which I was trying to keep nice came back soaking wet and caked in mud. Burst laces. Broken zips on coats.
I gave up after the first Christmas trying to discuss gifts after being told it was none of my business what he was getting them from Santa as anything he (or his family) bought would be opened and stay in his house.
This year I got dd a Barbie house from Santa and a hover board from me. Both got for way below rrp (through a cashback site and using vouchers earned doing surveys to cut costs even more) as I’d been watching them for months.
In contrast, she had a chocolate bar maker from Santa at daddy’s. Ds got a gaming chair from him so not sure of the parity there. He got a Nintendo switch (again a good Black Friday deal) from me, well Santa, here.
I asked what the baby got and what dd told me probably cost the same as ds’s chair but dd said he’d got loads more but they’d opened them before they got there.

I don’t grudge what I spent as I budgeted to spend it. And the dc don’t get much the rest of the year because I want it to be special for as long as they believe. But it sticks in my throat that he gave dd something for £20 max as her main gift at Christmas when he gave her a bike in the summer for no other reason than he’d seen them on their bikes at mine that Friday pick up.
Anyway, I’m aware that’s petty Grin

They’ve had a pretty chilled out day. Ds had his best friend over for a bit and dd finally had a chance to play with her Barbie house properly.
They’ll have fun while I’m wirking tomorrow and we’ll have some fun when I get home.
We’re visiting friends (or they us) on Friday before my weekend working which is long hours both days as they’re usually at their dads. Doubt there’ll be much fun for me with them but the bf will entertain them. They really like him a lot Smile.
School Monday and reality bites.

But positives are there if I choose to see them, and I’m trying to.
I’m aiming for indifference wrt LCB. It’s a slow process but if I can iron out the bits that the dc aren’t happy about it’ll help.
He’s a douche. But I married him. I had dc with him. I need to deal with it.

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Weenurse · 02/01/2019 21:52

Back to reality, another year commences

TheLastNigel · 03/01/2019 07:17

Happy new year onit x

Mix56 · 03/01/2019 12:49

Hoping things have calmed down now Onit, with the Xmas holidays over & the usual routine back n place.
How are you feeling ? can you get some more counselling ? How is the bf? or have you been keeping him at arms length?
I think about you often & hope you have bounced back..

IwantedtobeEmmaPeel · 04/01/2019 15:13

Happy New Year Onit. I'm glad to see you back and that you had such a good rest over Christmas, god knows you needed it.

Re the clothes/trainers situation, I would be tempted to send the DC to him in the same clothes he sent them back in, knowing that if they are too small etc, they will be able to change into the decent clothes he has kept at his. Just keep telling yourself it won't be forever. When the DC are older they will have more say over how much time they want to stay with their DF and they will start to see their father for who he really is.

Mix56 · 04/01/2019 15:52

Sorry I missed your post when I posted, that's odd.
Sounds a bit sad that DD got second rate presents, hopefully she hasn't realized.
You sound a lot calmer Onit, that is good.
I agree with Emma, Can you send them in in old/small clothes, or does he collect from school ? maybe send them in school clothes?
Every time they go, can they find & return stuff they know came from you ? , tell them to bring back all their home clothes, even if dirty.

(I had this will my SSon mother/grandmother, sending him back with clothes & shoes too small. )

onitlikeacarbonnet · 07/01/2019 20:25

The dc snuggled in with me on Thursday morning before I got ready for work and dropped them off at a friends.
We’d all missed our cuddles and we all remarked on it.
DS said the week away was too long and I asked if he’d said that to his dad.
He said he wasn’t going to say that to him because it would “get me into trouble”.
I asked him to explain what getting into trouble meant and he said when he’s said anything before about missing me/home daddy shouts and he’s just told “well you’re staying here”.
I said it was still important that he tell his dad how he feels. DD then says that if they say anything about “stuff” that their dad thinks they’re just saying what I’ve told them to say.

But I had a bit of an epiphany at counselling today.
I’d told DS he had to tell his dad because it was pointless me telling him.
But I’ve just reinforced DS’s reaction.
If I’m telling him it’s pointless me saying anything, then he’s never going to tell him himself either, is he.
Pointless or not, I need to tell lcb what DS said.
I need to tell him about the week being too long. About DS not wanting to go Friday before Christmas.
Because even if it’s pointless, it shows DS that it’s still important to voice your opinion. Because not everyone will be like his dad.

DS has learned this behaviour directly from me.
That was my epiphany.
I need to teach my boy how to stand up for himself in a way I never did. Before he hits puberty and it’s too late.

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MsPavlichenko · 07/01/2019 22:46

Sounds like a breathrough. As you know it probably won't impact on LCB behaviour, but that doesn't mean you and DC need to continue to appease him.

onitlikeacarbonnet · 07/01/2019 23:38

Seems so ridiculous that I didn’t get there before now.
Sometimes it takes me the whole hour just to catch up on things.
I wish I could go with a plan.

But, yes, it won’t change the way he behaves but we should still voice our opinions and/or concerns.
The dc need to tell him what they want (or don’t want).
They have no trouble telling me.

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BreakWindandFire · 08/01/2019 00:06

They have no trouble telling me.

Because they love you, trust you, and feel secure with you.

Mix56 · 08/01/2019 15:03

I agree with you, you must tell him, your son must hear you telling him, it will show him he can keep saying it, & one day, he will simply say, "I'm not going", because he will be old enough to refuse...

TheLastNigel · 09/01/2019 17:38

I had a similar experience in counselling when I was asked why I was concerned by my exh's reactions to for example me telling him I believed he was doing something harmful to the girls. If I feel I need to say it I should-he can react how he likes-it makes no odds to me. Or it shouldn't do. But it's easier said than done. She said until I get over my fear or concern for his reactions I won't have moved on. And she's right. I'm starting to get there I think-and you will too onit. It's a marathon not a sprint.

onitlikeacarbonnet · 12/01/2019 16:56

I have no idea when I started moderating my responses to lcb. But before I had the dc I was a manager at work. I was a pretty good one. I was well respected by my staff and appreciated by my colleagues. I still work with some and I’m often asked when I’ll be moving up again.
I remember being firm but fair. I wasn’t a walkover. But I had compassion and would always put my staffs needs at the top of my priority list.
I was only back at work 6 months between maternity leaves and my manager was a bully. I hated it then and remember feeling I couldn’t speak up. I stuck it out as I had so little time to work till I went off again.
When I returned from my second mat leave, it became unbearable. And I cried a lot. At home I was dealing with 2 dc under 3, an undiagnosed thyroid condition and the death of my mum just after dd was born. I had very little emotional support. In fact I think this is when lcb started taking huge advantage of my vulnerabilities. I was just being over sensitive about things at work. And my illness was just me overeating, being lazy and feeling sorry for myself. I was only working part time after all.
I stepped down from being a manager. And became totally financially dependant on lcb. What I should have done was taken my boss to a grievance. And asked why lcb wasn’t helping me. Instead I was made to feel like I was using it as an excuse to do less and be less.

I guess it was a perfect storm.

It’s taken to now, reading mix’s last post to realise that I’m free from that now. I really don't need to worry about what he’s going to say if I call him out on the shit he pulls.
And I mean right now.
It’s not that any number of people haven’t said the exact same thing to me, but it has literally smacked me in the face this time.

I’ve let him off with 9 weeks of Thursday drop offs at any time from 3.30 onwards (when his court order says 6pm) with no complaints.
All this time I’ve explained it as me not wanting to appear unreasonable. But he’s unreasonable all the time. And it’s no wonder he’s like that because I’ve never complained about anything.

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ASimpleLampoon · 13/01/2019 04:29

Onit it is lovely to see you regain your fighting spirit. Please consider making him stick to the court order to the letter from now on - or keep a diary of the actual drop offs times and ask the court to change the order based on what's happening in practice.

Mix56 · 14/01/2019 08:16

Brilliant Onit,
By dropping them off from anytime, he is still DELIBERATELY messing with your head. (as well as doing just what suits him best) He knows you are having to hang around waiting, he is still dominating. He loves this game.
Fuck that, I would deliberately be out till 6pm next time, that's what he asked for & that's what he got.
Unless he checks if you are available, why would he suppose you are in ?
because he knows you want what's best for dc, & you have always bended to his will
You could be at work/at the gym/out with bf.

AgathaF · 15/01/2019 13:53

Happy new year onit. You sound in a much better place now. Thank goodness for your realisation. Yes, you can and should tell him what your DC said. They need to know that you've got their corner, and it will do you the world of good to be able to say this stuff to him but not to be so beaten when he argues back. As you said, you're free of him now.

Mix56 · 15/01/2019 17:17

of course he will deny it's true & say its you saying this, or setting them up to say it. Don't be surprised, don't fight over it,
"unfortunately not". should do it

MsPavlichenko · 16/01/2019 00:30

Yes. Absolutely tell him ( via email/ message). Don't be dragged into a discussion. You know the truth.

KeiTeNgeNge · 17/01/2019 05:14

Stay strong Onit