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Ifonlyhewould · 09/05/2007 12:32

Hi Ladies

Hope you don't mind, ive started this thread to save hijacking the thread of others.

I thought we could use it to attract attention of the other members if needed or whatever

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Dior · 04/06/2007 20:52

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Dior · 04/06/2007 20:58

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Fubsy · 04/06/2007 21:12

MacD and Sunshine, sounds like youre both having a really crap time.

Sunshine - I know its awful but sometimes your gut feeling comes out and its what you really want deep down. Time apart may help you see whether you want to get back together, or you might find you get on fine on your own.

MacD - I know its hard with the baby coming, but is your H worth fighting so much for? I have to agree with what Dior says - if he cant even be arsed to spend time with you on your birthday....

Perhaps if you stopped acting as if you cared - and the choice was be on your own or go to the psycho OW - what would he do then? Would you have any support locally - family etc - if you decided to go it alone?

TBH, Ive told more people in RL about my separation now, and of course they keep asking if Im OK, and I really think i am! DD seems fine, my main concern, and although i worry about the future financially, I just dont worry about it emotionally as much as I thought I would. And thats without any male friends, or mates with single friends in tow - maybe that will be a worry later, but at the moment I just like not having to pander to someone elseswhims and moods.

And i got to go to the pictures with a girlfriend last week to see Pirates 3

mylittlestar · 05/06/2007 08:50

Dior you speak a lot of sense

I wish I was as rational and sensible as you.

Macdoodle I was thinking about you last night - if your H turned round now and said he was going to live with the other women and build a life with her how would you feel? You've said a few times you sort of wish they'd just go, and leave you to it?
I think if you would feel relief, then you have your answer and maybe should stop fighting for the relationship?
But if deep down you want him, then maybe you need to start thinking of how you're going to get to where you want? Counselling to help you come to terms with everything? Discussions with him to make it clear what you need? Can he even be the man you need? How can he prove it to you?

The sad thing is, certainly in my case, my H didn't want me as much as I wanted him, and just doesn't love me in the same way I love him. I was fighting for a relationship that was unequal on every level. And it would never have worked in these circumstances.

My only hope now is that me and H build new lives for ourselves, and that at some point in the future, he grows up and is able to think of others before himself. Until that day comes we have no chance.

And until then I need to leave him to it in every way. Like I say, hopefully by the time he realises what he's done I won't want him back anyway.

mylittlestar · 05/06/2007 08:52

I'm waffling. Am in a complete state to be honest. I broke down in front of ds last night, something I've tried so so hard never to do. He just put his hand on my cheek and said 'ok mummy?'. How awful that I can't even hold it together in front of my baby. Now I know the time has come to focus on myself. If H was any sort of husband and father he'd have been there helping me through, not off enjoying the freedom of having a single life while I fall apart trying to look after an ill baby and dealing with the months of hurt and anger all building up.

lou33 · 05/06/2007 09:00

there is nothing wrong with your children seeing you upset from time to time, you would be superhuman if you managed to hide everything from them

you are not a robot, they will understand

Fubsy · 05/06/2007 09:23

MLS, but understandable. its going to happen. But better he see you grieving than crying as a victim.

Dior · 05/06/2007 09:39

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macdoodle · 05/06/2007 09:52

MLS DD has seen me break down too - I don't think it did any damage - just kept telling her how lucky I was to have her what a brave girl she was and how much she helped me and that daddy loved her too just tha mummy and daddy needed to be apart - the nights she cried for her daddy and asked why i wouldn't let him come home was heartbreaking - she is ok now I think a year later ....

mylittlestar · 05/06/2007 09:59

Thanks everyone

He's so small I doubt he'll even remember it. But I will.
Gives me that extra bit of incentive to move us both onwards and upwards and away from that a* hole who says he 'loves' us
Because this is the way you treat people you love...
I don't think so!

lou33 · 05/06/2007 10:06

i actually think it's good for kids to see that you have feelings

when my exbf moved away it was dd1's arms i was sobbing in as he drove off

i think she felt quite pleased in a way that she was there for me

she is 15 btw

ernest · 05/06/2007 10:23

hi everyone. Look I'm so so sorry you/we're all going through such tough times. 5 guess taht's the only reason we're here in the first place. mls, don't beat yourself up about crying in front of ds. You can't keep it all in all of the time. MY heart breaks to think of the selfishness that has caused us all so much pain, and our children. Sadly dior's words really spellit out, that he wants his freedom, but wants to keep you dangling just in case. How demeaning and cruel. You have been such a loyal and wonderful wife. You do NOT deserve to be treated like thiat. I only hope one day (soon) he wakes up and realises how wicked he is being.

McD, honestly, I don't know how you're managing to keep going. when I found out about my dh's affair, one of the first questions was if he had used a condom, which he hadn't, so one of my biggest fears was ow getting pg. thank God she didn't, but i can understand how horrendous that must be for you, well, only a fragment of it, the fact that she will be forever tied to your family, to your dc's, and a bunny boiler to boot. I really really wish I could do something, anything. But I can't. How is your H behaving with this birth rapidly approaching? DOes he even talk to you about it? I look back at my pregnancies occasionally, we moved in the 1st, emigrated in the 2nd, the 3rd was hard work, but reasonably uneventful. This will cloud your pg forever. He has really robbed you of something and that can never be undone. How shitty for you. Are you family around you being supportive? Do they know the full story. Blimey. I'm just reeling at everything we're all coping with. Hope my words don't just serve to depress everyone.

Dior, have you made a decision YOu sound pretty defeated?

Anyone heard from pc recently?

sp it's so hard to keep up - where are you at now? did you sort out the probs with H following drunken uncle incident?

Fubsy - are you coping ok? How long has the living apart official separation been now? A couple of weeks? How are you finding telling people?

Hope everyone manages to get a little smile at least today. Mls, when are you off to France?

mylittlestar · 05/06/2007 10:30

Saturday evening we leave. Then we're away until the following Friday

I started packing last night to try and keep busy. We were packing all our summer things and singing 'mickey mouse' and ds was laughing away. Then for every new thing I put in the case he took 5 things out and threw them round the bedroom! Very helpful!

At least the whole evening wasn't me in tears!

How are things for you ernest? How is DH being at the moment?

sugar34plum · 05/06/2007 11:11

Dior you make toomuch sense!!

ernest · 05/06/2007 11:24

only a few days to go then Shame it's so far away, when I read you were coming to Fance I wondered if we could meet, but Paris is too far. have a great holiday.

While dh was in Barcelona I made a decision to try and move on. So since he came back I've not mentioned the affair oncw (apart from mini break down on Sunday).... In a way I'm finding it easier, but also harder. eg when he came back he gave me a bottle of perfume. My immediate thoughts were, why's he chosen this one, did she use it? Does it remind him of her, was it the french name that attracted him etc etc etc. But I just smiled & said thank you. So I'm sort of often feeling cut up inside but not saying anything, cos it doesn't really get us anywhere. I guess he'll just feel there's no end to it, he can't win etc etc.

He's definitely trying, it's definitely better but still really hard. Like I said he created htis deep unhappiness with my life that I didn't have before, not having a job, feeling 2nd class, inferior etc. That hasn't changed and I can't see any solution to it. He has a 2nd interview in Milan in 3 weeks. That's going to be a no-win situation, because if he does get it we face the terrible choice of either him going alone, and given the affair obv. not good, or whole family moving. I don't want to go to bloody Milan, and we can't move every time he gets a new job. OTOH, he will be so crushed if it doesn't work out.

His mum (diagnosed with cancer last Jan) is in a bad way at the mo. so that's adding pressure.

All in all I think it's getting better, but inside my head isn't good still. I think having no way of checking up makes it worse. I have no access to phone bills, e-mails, his phone etc. ANd he's out of the house a lot. I have only his word for it, which at times I find really tough.

What do you lot think I should do about my 'friend'. Briefly, she's my 1 and only friend here, but we moved so now she's over an hour away and we dont see each other often anyway. Anyway, when I found out about the affair she happened to call that morning (Sunday) and I told her, amidst sobs. I thought she was the one person I could turn to (mum crap, sil pg & dealing with mil cancer, no other friends). ANyway, I wait and wait. No call, nothing. Finally, after 4 days, an sms "R U OK" I was so pissed off. After 4 days she manages 4 letters. TBH, I felt so let down I ignored all her further calls/e-mails etc. Plus I feel that my trust has been broken, and no longer feel able to open up to her, which means a 2/3 hour round trip tp talk about the weather? Seems pointless. I wrote her a card saying as much, that I didn't bear a gudge etc but felt it had brought friendship to an end, but now she has sent me a huufy card. what think you? a relatively small problem I know. A shame cos she was my only friend here, and now mil is bad, sil no longer able to listen, so now got no one to talk to.

contentiouscat · 05/06/2007 11:27

MLS - sorry to hear you had a bad night, you are bound to have ups and downs at this point.

Still good on your for going on the date, of course it didnt come to anything you still love your H it would be far too soon but at least you are living and not waiting for him to sort himself out any more. At least you know you have still got "it" and if you want you could find a man. I would say I would be suspicious of men who express an interest when they know you are so upset by your break up I would suspect a hero complex (or perhaps they have all been admiring you from afar )

I have to say I agree with MLS re Lou's experience men rarely spend time on a "friendship" with a woman unless they are hoping for some residual benefit

MLS your DS is really not going to suffer for seeing you cry - if you cried day and night for six months they yes but far better that he learns it is ok to express grief than feels it is something which needs to be held in.

contentiouscat · 05/06/2007 11:34

Ernest - glad to hear your DH is making a effort (as he should). You are bound to be suspicious when is not with you but unless he gives you reason to think something is happening I would try not to think about it.

If he does go to Milan you need to go with him if you want the marriage to work tbh if you are not going with him then it would be much better for you to say "either you dont go or the marriage is over" the plus with Milan is you will be away from the other woman. If you say you dont want to leave where you are but if you have no friends and no job then what is holding you - you are not happy perhaps this could be the new start you need.

Regarding the friend perhaps she is just not good with emotional stuff - it doesnt mean she didnt care, do you like her enough to get over it?

mylittlestar · 05/06/2007 11:55

thanks contentiouscat

ernest regarding the friend, I guess it depends how much you value/want the friendship. Did you have really good times with her and really enjoy her friendship? Or was it just a bit more for convenience and someone to talk to?

FWIW some of my very close friends have hardly even been in touch since they found out what is going on with us. I think some people just don't know what to say, so rather than put their foot in it, just don't say anything at all!
I've been a bit offended at times, just thinking a call or text asking if there's anything they can do would be nice. But then I accept that if I rang them and asked for anything at all, I know they'd be there for me. People just deal with these things differently.

Have a think about how much you want the friendship. If you do I'd get back in touch and explain it's a difficult and emotional time for you (not that you should have to explain!) but you value her friendship and would like to meet up.
If you're not too bothered then just leave it at that and hopefully look towards finding people who you connect better with.

I really do feel for you as it must be so hard. Especially with SIL pregnant, MIL so ill etc. What a rubbish time. (Understatement of the year!)

Wish my holiday was closer too - would have been great to visit you
Maybe next time!

ernest · 05/06/2007 12:07

dh forgot phone today, so no contact which is hard. mi seems to be getting worse, so I can't ring her, but had sil and gmil on phone crying about her

re friend. I did like her, well, she was my only friend! If she lived close I'd try to mend it, but being so far away, and only seeing her say 1 a month (and alwys stressful cos I don't like her ds ) and my 3 turn into evil beasts at hers for some reason, so not relaxing. I have for a long time suspected HER dh was having an affair, strangely enough, so bit of a shock it was me not her!

contentiouscat · 05/06/2007 12:20

May be her DH is having an affair and thats why she cant talk about it, some people prefer to brush these things under the carpet and pretend they are not happening.

Perhaps you need new friends closer to home - long distance friendships are hard at any time but once you have children you have even less time to invest so just tend to be friends with people who conveniently fit into your schedule!

Dior · 05/06/2007 18:47

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ChorusLine · 05/06/2007 21:43

MyLittleStar - sorry to hijack your thread but have asked you a question "over here"

ChorusLine · 05/06/2007 21:55

Just had a brief look on the thread and didn't realise that I now look really insensitive. I just saw Glam & Fab and thought it was the opposite of what is on here

mylittlestar · 06/06/2007 08:33

hi ChorusLine - not insensitive at all, it's fine... will have a look now...