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NC Dignity Club Pt 4: The Only Way Is Up

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Basseting · 20/01/2018 17:31

Welcome to the No Contact Dignity Club Part 4

If you are aiming for it, trying to maintain it, being 'offered' it, coming back to it... NC support is here!

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Teensandfuture · 25/01/2018 22:20

What did he message you about Enniroc?

Enirroc · 25/01/2018 23:01

About tomorrow... Telling me he won't be around to see me but he'll be praying for me and goes I have a wonderful time...

Then when I replied he got all evasive and turned into an arse

NK1cf53daaX127805d4fd5 · 25/01/2018 23:10

Maybe it's a good thing he won't be around? So you can concentrate on your course

Enirroc · 25/01/2018 23:59

It's just that I was fully prepared for that and had planned for various eventualities, but the shock of the notification when he messaged, then him being an arse instead of at least chatting nicely was just the last thing I needed.

Teensandfuture · 26/01/2018 06:57

Enniroc
NC is the best strategy that puts you in control, minimises disappointment and manages expectations.
If everything was fine in relationship ,you wouldn't be here on this thread and since you are it means you are ready for change?
Once you decide you don't want to be in touch with him , everything becomes easier.

NK1cf53daaX127805d4fd5 · 26/01/2018 07:24

Checking in for Day 25.

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Teensandfuture · 26/01/2018 09:05

Don't go Oldbook
Just walk away
The whole thing will drag on forever,if you do.
It's like you have your mind made up but as soon as he makes any steps forward (crumbs) you already thinking of changing your mind.

gettingthereshopefully · 26/01/2018 09:10

I like to think that Teens and NK are our moral compasses. Smile Your advice is often clear and straight and that is so helpful.

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gettingthereshopefully · 26/01/2018 09:17

You know, OldBook, I could so easily be in your shoes. Wishing to be steadfast in my intentions but swaying as soon as he suggests something but I know how uncomfortable and confused I would feel whilst trying to convince myself that a friendship was a good thing. I know because I tried to knock the friendship idea into shape so that it would fit in my heart and mind. It didn't work though. Not in the long run.

In my opinion (and it remains just my opinion) NC is the way to go. It brings peace of mind.

Basseting · 26/01/2018 09:26

Enirroc
I hope today goes as well as it can for you. Hand hold from me too.x
('he wont be around but will be praying for you'-hmmm)

OldBook
It is hard when you get invites out of the blue. But will it help in the long run? only you can know but transitioning from one thing to friendship is hard.

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NK1cf53daaX127805d4fd5 · 26/01/2018 09:48

He's doing a low level pursuit of you Oldbook. Believe it or not I actually think he needs you more than you need him, maybe not romantically but you are definitely filling a gap or a need there. Walk away as fast as you can. Don't fall for this trap. I know it's hard but I am avoiding an event with dear friends this weekend so I don't see him. It has to be done. If he wants you romantically he will follow

Basseting · 26/01/2018 09:49

OldBook that is interesting. I just finished reading:

"But you did not come back" Marceline Loridan-Ivens
also a survivor of Auschwitz-Berkenau
She has interesting things to say about love loss and anger in general

(dont know how to link? can someone tell me?)

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NK1cf53daaX127805d4fd5 · 26/01/2018 09:58

So Day 25 and it brings (finally) acceptance.

I need to move on. I am now going to stop analysing his SM movements and wondering if he is logging on because I am logging on. It doesn't matter. He doesn't care so why should I. And if he does care he doesn't have the emotional maturity to tell me so screw him.

I've walked my mile now, he hasn't followed and I'm not walking anymore. It hurts a lot still that I'm not worth an explanation but he is inherently a good man, just weak and I need a strong one.

So I'm going to stop counting days as it's not healthy for me. I'm attaching too much importance to my day on not contacting him. I've so much bigger fish to fry and there's no way I'm going to contact him now even though I do get tempted.

Don't worry I'm still sticking around as I need to keep myself on the straight and narrow when I have weak moments, and everyone here is so good and kind.

Basseting · 26/01/2018 10:03

OldBook
I've just read the intro to 'your' book and will order it I think.
"the choice we make to define ourselves by our pasts"

I had a very difficult start to my life (obvs not comparable to books).
I met HIM before I understood what it had done to me. I have largely overcome it/learned to live with it and I dont define myself by it. When I met HIM again he hooked me in by promising help for ds (a weak spot for me). Also I have had a run of bad luck and he promised to help (not £, more encouragement). I am now in a far worse place than 15m ago. I have wasted so much time/ energy/dignity.
Is he abusive? I dont know but certainly if I listed some of the things he has done I expect you would say so. He took me back to a place where that was what I expected and felt I deserved. It was only just under the surface after all. Certainly, HE was the key to returning there
I think I continue to contact him / feel 'love' for him as I am too scared of the level of anger I would feel if I faced his behaviour for what it is and tried to break away.

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Basseting · 26/01/2018 10:06

NK (cross post sorry)

I dream of getting to the time where I no longer wish/need to count days

You are inspirational. Brave, strong, kind and giving. Flowers

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NK1cf53daaX127805d4fd5 · 26/01/2018 10:13

I'm blushing Basseting. Thank you but I think all of us on the thread are the above. We are all looking to get to the point where they no longer matter. I'm far from it but I'm not providing any means for him to throw crumbs for a quick ego boost for him. I walked and he knows it. I walked 17yrs ago and he regretted it. I've walked away again so history can repeat itself or he can jump to action. Whatever, I'm not going to make contact easy. I've removed all avenues that allowed previous communication.

Oldbook there are potentially 2 more events this year that are unavoidable but won't involve alcohol or any 1:1 time so I know I'll be good. I won't let him get in the way of good friends.

Think I'll get that book too thanks Oldbook

Belonger · 26/01/2018 10:14

Hi everyone, sorry I've not posted lately but have been keeping up with your posts as much as I can i can. So much strength and progress among you all, and sooooooo much kind support.

I'm not managing NC at all I'm afraid, but have managed to resist repeated invitations to meet. I do genuinely still feel in control mostly, and am very aware of moments where I could slip back into bad and self-destructive habits.

gettingthereshopefully · 26/01/2018 11:24

Please bear with me. I'm feeling confused, indignant and uncomfortable. This state has nothing to do with my NC man but is more than likely most revealing about my weaknesses.

I've mentioned once before here my 'notaire' (the legal bod who deals with house sales, inheritance and all manner of legal matters connected with financial transactions pertaining to family, estate and house buying). I've been in and out of his office over the past few months for several related matters. His older, female colleague always kisses me on the cheek when I arrive and since this summer he has done the same thing. He calls me by my first name, threw his arms around me whilst kissing me on the cheek when we wished each other a happy new year. We joke around but he is always very respectful and kind. He often comes out of his office to see me when I pop in to give the receptionist a document. I've asked a couple of my friends, who are both therapists, whether his behaviour towards me is professional (I've been living in France for 20 years but I still get confused about etiquette, etc.; what' normal and what isn't) and they've both categorically stated it isn't. Both same friends have talked to me about how I should maybe put more barriers up; not leave the door open for such behaviour. I see what they mean, I do, but I've always been a smiley, fairly open person and professionally it reaps its benefits and I don't really want to change but I'm reflecting on what they've said.

The trouble is that I have been finding myself drawn to this man but have just assumed that since we have a professional relationship and will do so until April, nothing will ever happen between us. I also assumed that he was acting like this for commercial reasons; keeping me sweet as a client, I mean. Although I'm not so sure that's all it is. My instinct is telling me it's not that clearcut.

Anyway, he and his colleague came today to value the house I'm currently living in as the owner wants to put it up for sale. This house is not in brilliant shape; it needs new carpets and parts need painting. But I've worked really hard to clean it and sort stuff out over the past few days and was quite proud of its current state. I was feeling uncomfortable about the notaire walking into this house; it felt odd him walking around my bedroom, etc, especially since I don't like this house very much.

He was lovely and kind. They both told me I'd need to do a few repairs as a tenant before leaving and then his colleague (pre-retirement and not a very happy woman) said to me "And you'll have to give it a good clean". I felt awful. I'm really done my best to spruce it up but tatty carpets and old paintwork can't be made to look light and clean. She really annoyed me because I felt ashamed when really I don't think I deserve to. Clearly my cleaning abilities don't equate with hers but I've got three children, a full-time job and a life that get in the way.

Sorry for sounding so indignant!

Also, I was thrown because these two have always greeted me with the kiss on the cheek thing but this time on arriving they reached out to shake my hand (maybe because they were on my territory instead of in their office?) It threw me because once I've got used to a certain way of doing things I get befuddled when the rules change. We ended up kissing on the cheek before and after their visit but I felt as though I was kind of instigating it, which was really weird as I would never have done that had they not instigated it in the first place a few months ago.

I'm feeling irritated by her comment about my cleaning, embarrassed because the notaire has been in my house and knows so much more about me than I know about him and befuddled by how I feel about him and more importantly what does he feel about me? Something? Nothing?

You see how insecure I am when it comes to men?

I'm so sorry this is so long but any thoughts to help me along would be so appreciated.

Basseting · 26/01/2018 11:46

gettingthere

well, having prev known prof people looking around your house at all (yet alone your bedroom) is always going to be odd/awkward,

plus, you feel you have done your best with sprucing it up (I'm sure you have) but they will point out every tiny thing for prof reasons. muddling

plus the kiss vs handshake boundary change - muddling

I think your behaviour has been fine. I would have felt odd too
sorry if not hugely helpful though! x

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