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NC Dignity Club Part 3 - Stronger Every Day

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SweetBerries · 08/01/2018 22:03

Here we go ladies. The place we come to do the 4 c’s - confess, console, comfort and consolidate. Every one of us is on a journey here but at the end of it, we become stronger better individuals who can be better prepared for future relationships - friends and romantically.

I’m so proud of you all xx

OP posts:
Rhubarbginn · 18/01/2018 16:22

ginger share your frustration on here. There is no point telling him. It’s you will end up angry and frustrated. I’ve learnt that myself,
Def dignified, calm and neutral. It’s better for you mentally and the bonus is the nc hates you being in control of your own feelings.

Rhubarbginn · 18/01/2018 16:22

ginger share your frustration on here. There is no point telling him. It’s you will end up angry and frustrated. I’ve learnt that myself,
Def dignified, calm and neutral. It’s better for you mentally and the bonus is the nc hates you being in control of your own feelings.

Belonger · 18/01/2018 16:27

I like your style ginger , sounds like there's no point wasting your energy on confronting someone who just isn't going to hear anything you say, just leave him to being a prat. I love your dignity!

Belonger · 18/01/2018 16:28

Dignity
Detachment
Determination

gingergenius · 18/01/2018 16:30

You're right @Rhubarbginn - absolutely flabbergasted that he can be so unprofessional. Not to mention belittling me, my skills and the amount of hard work I've put in to keep us both afloat financially after he pocketed £8.5k from clients fraudulently during 2016.

What a piece of shit. Am well fucking rid. All I need to do now is stop my head bringing up little pictures of happy times in my head which were just him play-acting. How very sad that screwing someone over time and again becomes your normal.

I haven't had a reply from him since my text about buying my iMac from my BIL this morning but if he thinks I'm going to chase him, he can swivel because I'm buggered if I'm going to give him the satisfaction of me begging for his attention.

God I could do with a glass of wine now!!! Interesting how the urge to drink is directly related to my feeling of hopeless frustration.

Sorry to hog the thread, just can't believe he has so little regard for me that he feels it necessary to belittle and diminish my role, capabilities and contribution to our business.

Enirroc · 18/01/2018 16:44

ginger don't worry about hogging the thread, we all do it when we need it

Enirroc · 18/01/2018 16:44

ginger don't worry about hogging the thread, we all do it when we need it

Basseting · 18/01/2018 17:29

Bloody hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM FURIOUS!!!!!!

About 15m ago I separated from my H.
In that time I have contacted a few old friends on FB.
Some M, some F. HE was one and that went badly wrong. I would not have got involved with anyone else, no old flames, no OLD, just him.
The particular set of circs and my childhood issues made a perfect storm. I've got badly burned and no wish to repeat, thanks.

Another was an old 6th form boyfriend (but I didnt really think of him that way as it is what 30 yrs ago?). I contacted him on FB and he was happy to hear from me. THis was about 6m ago. We had sporadic contact every few weeks. We talked about our families, spouses, kids.I'd told him something sad about my past and he sent me a bunch of flowers. He made some useful remarks about my family of origin. I was in London for my b'day and he was the NON-HIM friend I went to the museum with. We met, I bought lunch, we looked around, he bought a light supper, he got his train. He was a bit flirty ('not here to see the museum, just you' but I didnt respond and we didnt so much as peck hello/goodbye). He'd bought me a couple of paperbacks for a gift but ended up taking them by mistake. When I got home he sent me the books and some wine. And a postcard which said: 'can it be she still doesnt know how beautiful she is. I look in her eyes and see that it is true. The man in the lift sees it too and lingers so he can enjoy her loveliness a moment longer'.
Well, it was kind (actually I am overweight and scruffy) but he is married so I ignored it and have been business like with him as I would prefer it to remain a clearly straightforward friendship. i have had enough complications!
I did tell him I had got into a tangle with an old flame last year but he didnt seem to like me talking it about it so I didnt elaborate.
We have been in touch since (both currently have similar health issues) but it has been initiated by him.

So today I get an email saying:
"If we meet again my wife would need to come along. Although she said it was my choice whether to come or not, when it came to it, I know her well enough to know she was not that happy about it. I don't think she trusts your motives, and that won't change until she meets you (if she wants to meet you even) At some point after, she said, 'if you're just old friends why did she want to meet you alone'. Nothing to worry about, but I don't think I want to risk upsetting her."

WHAT??? I didnt ask to 'meet him alone'.
Any flirty behaviour has not come from me, in fact I valued him precisely because it was a straightforward friendship and that was hugely important to me.

I feel really upset at the implication that I have 'motives'.
He is fairly well off and I am dirt poor. He said he was happy to buy lunch and dinner and I said: no I will buy lunch it is important to me.
I didnt ask for the wine (should I send it back?) the postcard, the flowers or the paperbacks. I have no 'motives' at all.

Do I reply or just never contact him again? I feel really offended.
We had been discussing holidays and I had mentioned I hoped to go to London again this summer but I had not said to meet him in particular. Perhaps he misunderstood?
Perhaps he was just curious and came for a look after all these years? (so did I I suppose, but not in that way)

I feel really upset.

gingergenius · 18/01/2018 17:51

Bloody hell @Basseting that's fucking ridiculous!

What's the matter with these blokes?

I'd send everything back to him with a note saying you're utterly insulted and he's got a bloody cheek suggesting and not bother with him again.
What an arrogant arsehole!

Basseting · 18/01/2018 18:01

sorry for essay.
did I misunderstand completely?
to be fair, he DID say when we first sat down that he had nearly not come as his wife was twitchy about it. I said that is a pity as there is nothing to be twitchy about but I now felt uncomfortable as I would not want to be the cause of any difficulty. he changed the subject and I assumed it was okay?
I can see that if he has told her I got involved with an ex flame last year she might wonder if I am some serial bunny boiler or something (but why would he discuss that anyway)
But I also noticed the atmosphere got a bit frosty when I mentioned HIM. I assumed that he was bored (who wants to listen to someone go on about their ex flame) so I hardly mentioned it just said that I had got into hot water and it had been painful and I had no intention of doing it again.
After that he sent the wine and postcard.
Then this msg today.
Am I over reacting by being offended?

I SO wanted a straightforward interaction with an old friend.

Basseting · 18/01/2018 18:15

But i genuinely dont know what to do / say?
I am not sure if I am over or under reacting?
I was really happy to strike up the friendship again.
He was a nice lad and seems to have bgecome a nice man.
He said some helpful things about my family of origin and he is very worried about one of his kids. We talked about it quite a bit and he said it had been really helpful. So, it seemed really nice, like a good chat with a girlfriend? But maybe I got it all wrong?

I have no mixed up feelings about this friend so I can deal with it fairly easily (except I am quite offended but maybe thats a projection?)

Rhubarbginn · 18/01/2018 18:43

Don’t engage with him. Just leave it. He ll frame it how he wants to.

gingergenius · 18/01/2018 18:46

Honestly I think he was projecting on to you. I would have been offended too.

Tell him you think he's got his wires crossed as you don't think of him as anything other than an old friend and perhaps he read more into your get together than was there and that perhaps he'd be better spending the time with his wife if she's that worried about meeting an old friend?

Turn it around on him.

Don't apologise for anything or feel bad. That's HIS PROBLEM, AND HIS DYNAMIC WITH HIS WIFE.

Basseting · 18/01/2018 19:06

I'd like to send the wine and books back but dont know his address?
he lives in a small village (do know which) so I could prob find it.

I just feel like I'm being treated like a 'thing' again instead of a person?
I have not done anything wrong that I can see?

maybe its not possible to contact an old friend even 25+ yrs later if you were once intimate? Only things they have in common is that I left both of them. They both made remarks about 'forgiving me' once they knew what a bad childhood I'd had. Hmmm

gingergenius · 18/01/2018 19:23

No don't try to find him. Drink the wine and move in. Whatever his problem is, it's exactly that: HIS problem.

Drink the wine, read the books and if he contacts you say what I said previously about thinking he's perhaps got his wires crossed. Then block and move on. Who needs that shit on top of everything else?

X

gingergenius · 18/01/2018 19:24

Move on not in. Moving in might cause a few problems lol!!

Belonger · 18/01/2018 19:29

I'm with Ginger on this one, tell him he's got his wires crossed if he's given her that impression. Then put it in the NOT YOUR PROBLEM pile!

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Basseting · 18/01/2018 19:58

thanks guys. I'm just so [hmmm]

I mean, that postcard was a bit daft to send if you are worried your wife is worried about someone is it not?
and it was not ME that sent it! + I did NOT say we should 'meet alone'.
pah!

I honestly dont want the ruddy wine now. Id really like to send it back.

gingergenius · 18/01/2018 20:00

Thanks @OldBook - too early to think I have actually turned a corner but at least for today I feel strong. It'll be interesting to see how things go at the weekend because we have to work together!

Basseting · 18/01/2018 20:01

you know the sad bit?
His wife teaches in the area ds is good at.
I was trying to work out how I could ask him if it was okay to meet her/speak by phone to ask for her advice without it looking like I was after some sort of freebie (as HE clearly isnt going to tutor ds...).
We'd talked about our worries about our kids a lot and he had said how great she was at her subject /with kids so I thought I might be able to pick her brains.

FFS. Angry

gingergenius · 18/01/2018 20:03

Get angry @Basseting - and give the wine to the school raffle or something x