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I cheated and have lost everything I ever wanted

173 replies

Gatsby86 · 26/12/2017 22:34

I am male. I didn't really know where to go on the internet to post this. A normal response on a male orientated forum is 'man up' or 'have sex with 10 others and then come back,' whereas female orientated forums assume I am the devil incarnate; and I really don't think that is true.

5 years ago I met a truly amazing girl; completely not what I would have said I was looking for in a woman, but I knew as soon as I met her that she was what I wanted. We lived together for 3 years and the idea of marriage and kids were regularly discussed. We were great together; I can count on one hand the number of disagreements we had and we made each other better people. I got a job in and moved to London despite really not being a fan of the place because she could advance her career better there. For her birthday, I spoke to her boss and arranged time to be booked off from her job and surprised her by taking her away to Verona and Venice.

On NYE last year, she did something that really hurt me. Then, in January she had an operation on her leg and a month off work to recover. At the time I was working 14 hour days. I tried to help as much as I could I really did, but I just didn't have the energy to come back after that much work and then cook/clean/look after her. I started to resent her because I felt she could have been doing some of this stuff herself as she was simply spending all day watching TV. Her mum then criticised me for not looking after her and so she decided to go home for a week where her parents could look after her. I am not saying all this to negate what I did, I am simply trying to explain how I ended up where I did. During the week that she was away, I had sex with another girl. It was a completely one off event, not enjoyable, and I am mortified that I did it; but a week later she found a message on my phone and asked me about, so I told her. I can honestly say it was a mistake that I would give anything to take it back. I adore this woman.

She left that night and stayed at a friends house. We talked for a few hours the next night, both of us in tears. And then, she told her parents. I have not spoken to them since, but her words were that they told her if she stayed with me that they would cut her off, that she wasn't thinking straight, that forgiving me would make her 'morally bankrupt' and that I am not the type of man they would give her away too. However, things largely continued as they were and it seemed she was trying to forgive me. We remained living together, we would do couples things together as normal, even sex. Every 3-4 weeks she would go home to her parents and come back in bits from them ranting at her all weekend. Apparently, the fact they spent all weekend shouting at her was all my fault. I tried to remain impartial and avoid criticising them; I wanted her to choose me rather than be manipulated in to it. But inside I was seething.

Then one day in May she told me she was leaving the flat. I was devastated and completely broke down when I saw she had moved all her stuff out. 2 weeks later, we started talking again. We agreed to date and see where things went. She said she didn't know what she wanted and I found it very hard to date her as a normal person which put a ridiculous strain on the whole thing I think. We both had a holiday period in August, she told me she loved me before we parted but then afterwards said that she doesn't want 'us' anymore. I tried to tell her how I felt but to no avail. There's plenty more stuff left unsaid in this account, but this is already becoming a novella...

She has told me that shes moved on, but how you move on from a 5 year relationship in a couple of months I don't know. She has told me that her life is better without any reminders of what happened, so I feel she is partly just trying to bury and forget what happened, rather than 'move on'. It irks me that part of her rationale was 'what would other people be thinking if we were to get married,' as if other peoples opinions should matter if we are happy. She has been seeing someone else but, for a couple of reasons, I think it is just a rebound relationship in order to improve her confidence with someone she feels better than.

I've tried to move on and have dated other women over the last few months, but none of them make me feel how she made me feel. To be honest, I don't think anyone else ever will. Its been 4 months now and I hurt so much. I sat for hours in a public park crying last week and its not the first time that's happened. I regularly burst in to tears at work, on the train or when at home. My friends are mostly guys, so I don't feel I have anyone I can talk to. Most of all, it is driving me absolutely insane knowing that I didn't lose her because of some external uncontrollable reason but because of something that I did, that was completely meaningless. I know that what I did was vile, believe me I hate myself for it, and I would give anything to undo it.

OP posts:
DailyMailisRubbish · 27/12/2017 09:51

I wish your ex girlfriend could read this. Now this is one thread I want to end up in the daily mail.

DailyMailisRubbish · 27/12/2017 09:57

And op it’s not that you made a mistake and slept with another women its that you have told us that you didn’t care for her when sick. Sent the poor woman to her parents as you couldn’t be bothered / didn’t care enough and THEN slept with another woman. REALLY!?!?! Remember most of us have children so most of us have been through late pregnancy and a newborn stage with a child and during that the MOST important thing in a partner is a supportive one who takes care of the family and his partner. Relationships are not all Romeo and Juliet there are tonight times and THAT is where you find out who really loves you or in your ex girlfriends case who doesn’t.

DailyMailisRubbish · 27/12/2017 09:57

*tough not tonight

Oblomov17 · 27/12/2017 10:02

Daily Fail? Wink
I have zero tolerance for infidelity.

What do you want from us OP?
You asked a question. You already knew the answer.
Get on with it!

roundaboutthetown · 27/12/2017 10:02

Gatsby86 - if after five years of knowing you, your gf's parents reacted as you say she says they did, then they must already have had some doubts about you! And I'm afraid dismissing the active procurement of another woman for sex when you are supposed to be too exhausted to cook and clean as meaningless doesn't paint you in a good light at all - more like the user of other human beings you are happy to give no consideration for (ie callous). I wouldn't trust or believe someone who had "meaningless" sex. I would be more inclined to think they were being a sulky baby at the time and wanted to do something behind my back that expressed how pissed off with me they were at the moment and that they were happy to use another woman's body to do that. Men with that general attitude towards women don't tend to spend a lifetime with one woman, because that one woman never manages to remain on her pedestal forever - she will always be at risk of falling off and looking to the man like another piece of meat, like all the other women. So maybe you need to give a bit more thought to why you feel capable of having meaningless sex, or whether the sex really did have no meaning?

yetmorecrap · 27/12/2017 10:03

You don’t sound a horrible person OP but sometimes stuff happens that ‘breaks a spell’, particularly I think for women. You can mend a vase if both want to do so, but the cracks are always there and she has clearly decided she doesn’t want a relationship ‘with cracks’ and with no children or businesses or marriage it’s easy to get out now. Learn from this , there isn’t just one person out there who is right for you, it just feels like that at the time. However sorry you are, for her that magic is gone

LemonShark · 27/12/2017 10:07

Roundaboutthetown "I would be more inclined to think they were being a sulky baby at the time and wanted to do something behind my back that expressed how pissed off with me they were at the moment and that they were happy to use another woman's body to do that."

I think that's a little unfair, use another woman's body? Women are more than capable of choosing whether to have sex or not. There's nothing here to indicate the other woman was coerced or lied to, for all we know she was happy to scratch an itch and have a one off fuck with the OP and feels fine about it. I'd hate for anyone to act like the times I had casual one off meaningless sex with someone were the guy 'using my body'!

Dozer · 27/12/2017 10:12

Working 14 hour days when your gf was sick was shit. Then cheating.

CauliflowerSqueeze · 27/12/2017 10:20

You seem to think it’s not a problem. Or it’s a little problem that is easily overcome. It comes across as so arrogant.

SparklyUnicornTractors · 27/12/2017 10:23

feminazi nonsense

Because a woman standing up for another woman is exactly like invading Poland. Hmm

I hope the OP didn't come here looking for a lot of indulging and soothing his fevered brow, and that he's got more intelligence and character than that. If it floats your boat to have radically different standards for men and handmaiden them while assuming they are emotionally less competent and too fragile to be directly spoken to then go for it, but don't berate other women for crediting them with a bit more than that.

The blunt truth as many have pointed out: the OP did not behave well through this relationship (and freely acknowledges this, he didn't have to), but something the relationships board is good at noticing that he may not have realised: he is however unconsciously seeing his ex as less than him. Her feelings and choices to him are not rational so he doesn't need to accept or respect them, and he has little interest in how she feels with his focus being on how he feels and what he wants her to do for him. Even more tellingly, he sees her as a 'girl' where he would term himself as a man and not a boy. Women get annoyed about that because it gives away that they are infantilised in that person's mind, that they are seen as children to be directed and managed.

The ex's feelings are as valid as the OPs. She isn't a child, she does not have to rationally justify leaving in a way that the OP agrees with before she may leave him. She wants out, that's it. Game over. I'm sorry its painful OP, genuinely. But you need to take a hard look at some of the ways you are thinking that damaged this relationship beyond repair, and go into the next relationship with better skills.

GruffaloPants · 27/12/2017 10:24

You don't sound like you have much respect for her choices. She's allowed not to want a relationship clouded by a meaningless fuck. She's allowed not to get past that. It's not her fault. It's not her parents' fault (though they don't sound great).

Learn from this relationship, but let her go.

Branleuse · 27/12/2017 10:30

you werent there for her when she was off ill and needed looking after. Left pretty much everything for her to still do,because you were too tired after work, and yet when she went back to her parents to be cared for, you didnt take long to fuck someone else. Werent too tired then?

You fucked up. Shes gone. You need to let her go. You dont get to cheat AND still keep the girl. Leave her alone so she can heal and get over your bullshit.

NoMudNoLotus · 27/12/2017 10:33

You cheated.

These are the consequences.

Perhaps moving forward dont be so reckless.

Mcgieml3 · 27/12/2017 10:39

I think if a woman had posted this she wouldn’t have received reams and reams of vitriol. I have two sons and many of us do. I hope if they ever make a mistake, which I’m sure they will, they are treated with a bit more charity. I would hate to think of one of them crying alone in the park and getting this kind of response when they seak out support. Men are not the enemy they are our sons and brothers.

C0untDucku1a · 27/12/2017 10:43

Mc women who post on here saying they cheated on their husband and are annoyed the husband left when it was really
His fault for having surgery on his leg and not doing the cooking amd cleaning while recovering from surgery would get their asses handed to them.

People Do not tolerate the adultery of either sex, espwcially with taking absolutely no reaponsibility for it on here.

LemonShark · 27/12/2017 10:43

Has anyone else even read the bit where his ex cheated first? It doesn't really change anything but it seems a bit odd to be judging him for cheating so vitriolically when she cheated too.

Smeaton · 27/12/2017 10:46

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SandyY2K · 27/12/2017 10:50

There's always a 'tone' on this forum when a male posts. It's so offputting. Nobody is perfect. People fuck up. Men and women

I agree with you. The insults come flying out and the projection is incredible.

It's like being thrown into the lion's den.

rizlett · 27/12/2017 10:57

Cheating is not related to love at all.

Unless it's about the love for yourself because if you do love yourself then you have self respect and honesty. Honest people would never cheat not because they don't want to let their partner down but because they'd be letting themselves down.

I think the cheating in this relationship is a red herring. It was just time for it to end. All things have a beginning, a middle and an end. Time to move on op and if you want your life to improve work on your self esteem and self respect.

lollipop7 · 27/12/2017 10:58

@Smeaton
I hope if they ever make a mistake
Sticking their cock into a woman other than their partner is not a 'Mistake'. using too much garlic in a bolognese is a mistake, accidently over cooking the rice is a mistake. Purposefully and choosing to have sex outside of a committed relationship is a calculated choice they have made. It's only ever called a mistake when they get caught

^
This.
So true 👏🏻

roundaboutthetown · 27/12/2017 11:01

LemonShark - the woman's attitude to the sex is irrelevant when one is assessing the man's attitude... We are only interested here in the OP's attitude to it. It is quite possible the woman also found it meaningless, although not so meaningless that she didn't text him afterwards, so she probably enjoyed it more than he did! At no point have I suggested women are incapable of using men like meat.

PNGirl · 27/12/2017 11:08

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3115309-Getting-over-a-fling-help-please

Oh, look. A woman getting her arse handed to her for cheating. Apparently doesn't happen though...

juneau · 27/12/2017 11:09

Ultimately OP I think you have to accept that she's gone. You broke her trust at a time when she was feeling low and vulnerable after an operation and if that were me I'd be thinking 'Great - so if I married this guy and got pregnant and felt like shit or ended up in hospital his reaction would quite possibly be to go out and shag the first woman he met'. In addition, her family hate you and have threatened to cut her out of their lives if she stays with you. Do you honestly think she's going to choose you - the guy who cheated on her - over the entire rest of her family who have been loyal to her her whole life???? You can't win this one. Go and see your GP. Get some antidepressants. Get yourself some talking therapy so you can talk this through with a professional. And resolve to never do anything so fucking stupid again. This situation is your fault and you sound contrite, but you need to own it. It's not okay, what you did. You seem to think that you can somehow 'make it up to her', but you can't, because you can't change the past. You fucked someone else. Own that. Then resolve to be different in the future and move on with your life.

ThatsWotSheSaid · 27/12/2017 11:10

I suspect her parents used this as en excuse because they didn't like you anyway. You talk about not having then energy to look after her when she was injured to the point she had to go and stay with her parents. That doesn't sound very in keeping with the lovely boyfriend image you paint of yourself to be honest.

Offred · 27/12/2017 11:11

IMO you have a lot of growing up to do before you are ready for an adult relationship.