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I cheated and have lost everything I ever wanted

173 replies

Gatsby86 · 26/12/2017 22:34

I am male. I didn't really know where to go on the internet to post this. A normal response on a male orientated forum is 'man up' or 'have sex with 10 others and then come back,' whereas female orientated forums assume I am the devil incarnate; and I really don't think that is true.

5 years ago I met a truly amazing girl; completely not what I would have said I was looking for in a woman, but I knew as soon as I met her that she was what I wanted. We lived together for 3 years and the idea of marriage and kids were regularly discussed. We were great together; I can count on one hand the number of disagreements we had and we made each other better people. I got a job in and moved to London despite really not being a fan of the place because she could advance her career better there. For her birthday, I spoke to her boss and arranged time to be booked off from her job and surprised her by taking her away to Verona and Venice.

On NYE last year, she did something that really hurt me. Then, in January she had an operation on her leg and a month off work to recover. At the time I was working 14 hour days. I tried to help as much as I could I really did, but I just didn't have the energy to come back after that much work and then cook/clean/look after her. I started to resent her because I felt she could have been doing some of this stuff herself as she was simply spending all day watching TV. Her mum then criticised me for not looking after her and so she decided to go home for a week where her parents could look after her. I am not saying all this to negate what I did, I am simply trying to explain how I ended up where I did. During the week that she was away, I had sex with another girl. It was a completely one off event, not enjoyable, and I am mortified that I did it; but a week later she found a message on my phone and asked me about, so I told her. I can honestly say it was a mistake that I would give anything to take it back. I adore this woman.

She left that night and stayed at a friends house. We talked for a few hours the next night, both of us in tears. And then, she told her parents. I have not spoken to them since, but her words were that they told her if she stayed with me that they would cut her off, that she wasn't thinking straight, that forgiving me would make her 'morally bankrupt' and that I am not the type of man they would give her away too. However, things largely continued as they were and it seemed she was trying to forgive me. We remained living together, we would do couples things together as normal, even sex. Every 3-4 weeks she would go home to her parents and come back in bits from them ranting at her all weekend. Apparently, the fact they spent all weekend shouting at her was all my fault. I tried to remain impartial and avoid criticising them; I wanted her to choose me rather than be manipulated in to it. But inside I was seething.

Then one day in May she told me she was leaving the flat. I was devastated and completely broke down when I saw she had moved all her stuff out. 2 weeks later, we started talking again. We agreed to date and see where things went. She said she didn't know what she wanted and I found it very hard to date her as a normal person which put a ridiculous strain on the whole thing I think. We both had a holiday period in August, she told me she loved me before we parted but then afterwards said that she doesn't want 'us' anymore. I tried to tell her how I felt but to no avail. There's plenty more stuff left unsaid in this account, but this is already becoming a novella...

She has told me that shes moved on, but how you move on from a 5 year relationship in a couple of months I don't know. She has told me that her life is better without any reminders of what happened, so I feel she is partly just trying to bury and forget what happened, rather than 'move on'. It irks me that part of her rationale was 'what would other people be thinking if we were to get married,' as if other peoples opinions should matter if we are happy. She has been seeing someone else but, for a couple of reasons, I think it is just a rebound relationship in order to improve her confidence with someone she feels better than.

I've tried to move on and have dated other women over the last few months, but none of them make me feel how she made me feel. To be honest, I don't think anyone else ever will. Its been 4 months now and I hurt so much. I sat for hours in a public park crying last week and its not the first time that's happened. I regularly burst in to tears at work, on the train or when at home. My friends are mostly guys, so I don't feel I have anyone I can talk to. Most of all, it is driving me absolutely insane knowing that I didn't lose her because of some external uncontrollable reason but because of something that I did, that was completely meaningless. I know that what I did was vile, believe me I hate myself for it, and I would give anything to undo it.

OP posts:
Foobarjar · 27/12/2017 01:49

@eddyf 100%!

SparklyUnicornTractors · 27/12/2017 01:51

Your essential messsage is that you do not agree that she has made the right or even a valid choice in leaving you, and feel there should be a way to compel her to accept your reasoning and plans to improve your relationship.

The thing is, she doesn't need your agreement and whether you can rationalise or explain or present well thought out plans on how the relationship will improve, it comes down to she does not want to continue the relationship. Sadly it ends there. You cannot be the arbitrator of whether or not she should or can leave, a relationship ends when either party wants out.

I'm sorry you are so unhappy, but the only thing left to do at this point is work on accepting and moving on.

nestletollhouse · 27/12/2017 02:11

A cheater and an annoying arrogant personality! You're not even remorseful. Have a Biscuit

I would have dumped you for the lack care over my I'll health alone, never mind the cheating. You must think she has very low standards to put up with that.

Mcgieml3 · 27/12/2017 02:13

I think people are being a bit harsh here, everyone makes mistakes, Sounds like you were feeling a bit taken for granted/sorry for yourself... anyway. You’re not the first person to have done this. I think your frustration comes from thinking that if everyone left you alone your could work it out. Suggest, assuming you haven’t already overstepped the mark by chasing her too much, you contact her again and say that so many people wanted her to move on and she’s trying to, but is it really what she wanted and if it’s making you both unhappy could you try again. Would she read an email?

Iwasjustabouttosaythat · 27/12/2017 02:19

Sums it all up:

“‘Bold: If she really was the love of your life then you wouldn’t have cheated. You just wouldn’t. There is nothing in this world that could persuade me to cheat on my husband.’

‘I did not fully appreciate the consequences before I did it.’ ”

OP couldn’t care less about gf. Just about the consequences of being found out.

OP, you sound like a massive jerk. You have failed at being a decent human. Leave the poor woman alone. The fact you’d rather she lost her loving parents entirely to live with a disgusting cheater speaks volumes about your priorities. I hope you are alone for a long time.

Whyarealltheusernamestaken · 27/12/2017 02:24

Is it bad that I really want to date the OP just so I can dump him? How self absorbed and pity seeking is this post. Yes you messed up, welcome to the world of consequences. Best wishes to your ex, may her next relationship be happy :)

Mcgieml3 · 27/12/2017 02:25

There are a lot of people being very judgemental on here, having no diubtvlived blameless lives themselves. This is bordering on trolling. How would you feel if the poor guy hurt himself.

differentnameforthis · 27/12/2017 02:40

1] Cheating on her while she was convalescing at her parents is nothing short of awful. You slept with someone the moment you had a chance to, and that was pretty quick by all accounts.

2] She kept you hanging around a while there, it does sound like she was trying to discover if she could forgive you for this or not.

3] "Burying and forgetting" what your cheating partner did IS moving on. And once the decision is made to move on, whether that relationship was 5yrs or 50yrs, it's made and you move on. It isn't up to her to give you time to "absorb" that.

4] part of her rationale was 'what would other people be thinking if we were to get married,' as if other peoples opinions should matter if we are happy She obviously wasn't happy anymore. Using other people as an excuse is her way of perhaps softening the blow for you (or both of you)

5] She has been seeing someone else but, for a couple of reasons, I think it is just a rebound relationship in order to improve her confidence with someone she feels better than. That's a nasty thing to say, how do you know she feels she is better than the person she is seeing? You are diminishing her new relationship (rebound or not), for what, exactly?

6] Its been 4 months now and I hurt so much ... sat for hours in a public park crying ... not the first time that's happened ... I regularly burst in to tears at work, on the train or when at home ... it is driving me absolutely insane knowing that I didn't lose her because of some external uncontrollable reason but because of something that I did, that was completely meaningless. I know that what I did was vile ... I hate myself for it, and I would give anything to undo it. You you you. You hurt because of your own actions. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. If you cared about her that much and loved her as much as you say you did, why did it only take a week of her being away for you to jump into bed with another?? That's pretty quick work!!

Where is your concern for how much this hurt her? Her parents took over her care when you couldn't do it, because you "resented her" & accuse her of being lazy!! Then you use it as an excuse to sleep with someone else and are now throwing yourself a pity party because you fucked someone else up!!!

Move on. She is done. Good luck to her, she made the best choice. How can she trust you after this??

7] I have no idea what she did back in January, but if you chose to forgive her for whatever that was, that is your choice. It doesn't mean she has to make the same choice.

BlessYourCottonSocks · 27/12/2017 02:44

At the end of the day she has decided she does not want to be with you any longer. She has that right. You just need to get on with your own life now, and perhaps think about how you will behave with a different partner in the future.

This relationship is over.

Mcgieml3 · 27/12/2017 02:47

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Mcgieml3 · 27/12/2017 02:53

There are a number of people on here that should examine their own behaviour. If someone is in need and reaching out, you support them. What’s the point of sitting at home trolling someone that already feels pretty bad other than making yourself feel better? This isn’t entertainment. Think about the consequences. Leave him alone.

Whyarealltheusernamestaken · 27/12/2017 02:58

@Mcgieml3 should we lie? What would be the point of this forum? Should all posts be answered with its all ok, yes you are in the right? Not being sarcastic, explain how being dishonest helps anyone?

differentnameforthis · 27/12/2017 03:05

Mcgieml3 The tone of the op posts are horrible too.

Justifying sleeping with someone else because he felt his gf was taking too long to recover from an op

Excusing it because he forgave her

Insinuating that she can't do better than him, as proved by the previous ex who apparently "wanted him back"

Urgh.

And the definition of troll isn't someone who doesn't agree with you/your actions. I am not going to support someone who thinks he was justified in hurting his ex, and then demonizes her for her leaving him.

NotAnotherNoughtiesTune · 27/12/2017 03:06

Echo NSEA you did something wrong but you are only human. However she had every right to not forgive you for it.

Your body is yours tocdo with but with that choice comes consequences.

MerryShitmas · 27/12/2017 03:07

It doesn't matter what YOU think when it
Comes to HER choices. She's made her choice - as you did when you stuck your dick in someone else.

You aren't together anymore.
Back the fuck off.

HashtagTired · 27/12/2017 03:09

He was no longer my hero, but someone weak and pathetic. I knew I'd spend the rest of my life waiting for him to do it again, feeling suspicious every time he went out and wondering about that other woman.

This.

mummwest · 27/12/2017 03:11

Completely agree with Mcgieml3.

Whyarealltheusernamestaken? what exactly is the point in multiple posters going on and on about just how awful he actually is and treating him like he's scum of the earth, it's just kicking someone when they're down and completely uneccesary. After the first few posters have said how awful they think it is then why do people feel the need to jump in just to berate him some more?

CaledonianQueen · 27/12/2017 03:23

You sound very like my brother op, only he has gone on to make the same 'mistakes' several times again, he is very arrogant too and loves knowing that he can have any woman he wants. He has had genuinely lovely, beautiful girlfriends, who have adored him! The last one stopped being the love of his life when he met his current love of his life, it seems he has met his match, given his new GF was a blushing bride, only married for six months, until the star-crossed lovers met eyes and suddenly her dh and my brothers dp were just awful people. My DB has been trying to rewrite history telling my Mum blatant lies about his ex. She knows it is bull now.

The truth is that you like my db are a cheater! You have admitted to cheating in the past, you tried to excuse this by saying you were unhappy when the truth is that you cheated because you could! Be honest, if you hadn't been found out, would you have told your ex the truth about cheating? If you were happy and totally in love when you cheated, then what happens when your partner falls pregnant and is left with baby weight. What happens when you have a teething baby who keeps you both up all night. Or when she goes to visit her parents with the kids without you, if you can't say no to cheating when your partner is young, beautiful and your soulmate, then there is no way you can be trusted to be faithful throughout the trials of pregnancy and parenthood!

As for your upset that your partner asked you to make her a sandwich, are you kidding me? She had an operation on her leg, I bet it was bloody sore mobilising on that leg! You were mad because she wanted you to make her a sandwich?!! My dh kept me hydrated and fed whilst I established breastfeeding our ds, I could have struggled on crutches (severe pelvic pain following a pregnancy condition) to make my own lunch, but he loved me and wouldn't watch me struggle. When our babies were little he bulk cooked meals and lunches for me and put them in the freezer, so that the weeks he was offshore I would have a healthy cooked meal, leaving me to focus on our babies and healing from traumatic birth/ high-risk pregnancy! I have since become severely disabled, he cares for me and loves me every bit as much as he did when we were first together. My dh tenderly looked after me, when I was ill early in our relationship and he tenderly cares for me now. You couldn't even make your partner a sandwich without acting like a martyr! She had to go home to her Mother to get the care you could have easily given her! How hard is it to make a sandwich and stick it in the fridge for her? She was only away a week and you used her supposed laziness to justify your having sex with another woman!

By the way, your description of the woman you had sex with was a disgrace and says a lot about how much you respect women in general! If you loved and respected your partner you would never have cheated on her. Unfortunately, the only person you seem to love and respect is yourself! I bet it bugs you now, thinking of another man 'having' her, you are so entitled, saying that there should be alternative reactions to your 'mistake'! You don't even respect your ex's right to make the decision that she has! I truly hope that your ex-finds a good man, a man who will love her more than he loves himself, a man who won't go out and shag another woman because she asked him to make a sandwich!

Oh and before you say I am a bitter woman who has been cheated on, you couldn't be more wrong, you won't believe that though, as it is so ingrained in you as a cheater that you expect the same of every man. My dh was and is my first relationship, fifteen years later we are still totally in love. He would never cheat on me and hurt me the way you hurt your ex! He is a good, decent man! Do yourself a favour, get counselling, perhaps a relationship counsellor. Try to learn how to be a decent person, (tip here cheating on your partner/ wife does not make you a decent person) then if you can work on yourself, hopefully, you can avoid the same mistakes in the future. If you are like my brother though, you will see no wrong in your actions and will refute all of my claims. Defending yourself instead of taking the advice you claim to seek.

I love my brother dearly, he will always be my brother and I know that somewhere deep inside is a great guy. I just hurt for the wonderful woman he has destroyed with his selfish behaviour. If your ex is a similar age to yourself, leave her alone, you have already had five of her childbearing years! Let her find love and happiness with someone who will love and respect her.

CaledonianQueen · 27/12/2017 03:29

Oh and if you are reading this op's ex, well done on leaving, you have had a lucky escape from an obvious narcissist! Read why does he do that by Lundy Bancroft! Good luck in your new relationship!

LoisSangersVoice · 27/12/2017 03:32

I don't think its terrible to refer to a female younger than me as a 'girl.'

It is. Stop it. (If they are >16 years old)

Whyarealltheusernamestaken · 27/12/2017 03:33

Sorry @mummwest did I miss some rules and regulations on what I can have an opinion on? Or do I have to run every thought by you in future? Is this not a public forum? I have stated my thoughts on this post, not trolling, so why are my opinions less important than yours? I have not criticised anyone else on their point of view, this Is a free world

mummwest · 27/12/2017 03:48

whyarealltheusernamestaken, look you asked questions about how being dishonest helps anyone and what is the point of the forum, I'm saying I can't see how loads of people lining up to take a pop helps anyone.

Whyarealltheusernamestaken · 27/12/2017 03:57

If you post in a public forum then act like the OP did then what would you expect? I’m not a cruel person, I would fight for someone I thought was being wronged. But to put it bluntly he needs to grow up and stop acting like a dick

HipNewName · 27/12/2017 04:41

From what I've seen of life, cheaters often think it isn't that big of a deal. You are normal in that response. None the less, people who are cheated ON tend to think it is that big of a deal and worthy ending a relationship over.

She's done with you. It's over. Move on.

There are 2 things for you to learn:

  1. Cheating is big deal and ruins relationships. You need to really deeply learn this, and accepting that it's over is the first step. Then, don't cheat in future. It's a good lesson to learn.
  1. When some one is recovering from something, life won't be fair. This will repeat through out your life. After having a baby, or recovering from and injury, or whatever. Next time, just be nice and do the best you can, and don't chase the person away, blame her, or act like a victim.

Just learn from all this and be a better person in the future.

ImogenTubbs · 27/12/2017 04:48

OP - you can logically argue your way out of this one all you like - it is irrelevant. She has made the choice about what is a dealbreaker for her. You cannot tell her what she thinks and feels, you cannot tell her how she should respond. The fact that you were willing to forgive her cheating actually has no relevance, and does not minimize your actions. She has ended things and moved on. You cannot control her behaviour now. I'm sorry you are hurting and hope you find happiness in the future, but some of your answers on here are quite disturbing. You think you are being rational and are therefore 'right'. It doesn't work that way. Respect her and her decision to move on. Focus your energies on something else.