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I'm the other woman, not proud of it, confused - anyone been in this situation?

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MrsMiss · 26/10/2017 21:47

I realise this is going to prompt an onslaught of criticism, fair enough. I just wondered there are people who could help me as I can't talk in real life.

I'm not excusing my behaviour but context: I had previously only had two relationships - my 'first love' at college, and my husband of 11 years. We have 4 dc. Our relationship was on the surface fine in the early days, but as we had children, and I know people will think 'how could you not know' - his behaviours became more and more difficult to live with, and we embarked on marriage counselling, and eventually dh was diagnosed with Asperger's. We both tried to deal with this as best we could, but after a further year and a half of counselling and best efforts, we both mutually agreed to separate.

I was diagnosed with clinical depression, and felt like my life was not worth living. Single parent, in 40s, part-time work, scraping money together, dealing with loss and disappointment of marriage and the impact of living with emotionally unavailable man who always seemed so harsh/manipulative but also vulnerable, making it hard for me to see the wood for the trees.

I became close friends with a couple, our kids get on well, and we spent time together over the next year or so. Fast forward to a party earlier this year, the man in this couple gets v. drunk and makes a pass at me. I think I'm being really careful to avoid hurting his feelings, and my good friend his wife, and stop things in their tracks. However, I wasn't prepared for how it made me feel. To him it was probably just a drunken fumble. To me, it was highly significant - one of the few times in my life that someone has shown me such attention. He contacted me afterwards and we 'talked', discussing the fact that neither of us 'did this kind of thing' and that it was no big deal, a mistake, hadn't gone too far, no harm done. But then over a period of weeks and months our friendship has gradually developed. To begin with it seemed he was stuck in an unhappy relationship and spending a very brief time talking to me helped him, and me, to feel less lonely. However, now I feel like it is me who has fallen deeply in love with this person, and he is either (a) regretting his actions and looking for a 'safe' exit strategy, (b) in denial and scared about the strength of his initial feelings, worried about everyone else's reaction if it was discovered etc or (c) just chaotically enjoying the rare moments we do get to spend time together, but feeling guilty otherwise. I've obviously tried to talk about it but it never really goes anywhere. He knew before we got together that I was depressed. He knows I find it tough being on my own with the kids, but I genuinely believe he thinks I can help him and he can help me. I swing between being horrified at myself for putting myself in this situation - I know how low my behaviour is, I know what is at stake, I know I can't have much self-respect if I let him basically take what he wants when he wants. But, I do feel so much better for having a connection with someone for the first time in my adult life. I obviously thought I had it with my stb ex dh but was bewildered by his condition, hoodwinked by his manipulation and brought down by the endless negativity and anxiety that our relationship brought to bear on me. Part of me thinks 'why shouldn't I?' but then I remember that I'm not even happy as everything is on his terms. I think I know what people are going to say, and honestly I will read your comments and will think carefully. I know it will be too painful for some people to try to imagine from my perspective, but if anyone has experiences to share that might help me, I would be grateful. Thank you.

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NickNaughty · 27/10/2017 14:46

We're all saying "walk" - and you know that's the best way out.
But there is another way, which is to put this whole thing in the open. Make him "choose". Then, even if (as is likely) he chooses to try to make it work with his wife, you can know what's what and (probably) move on quicker. Surely even this is better than letting the current situation drag on for years (as certainly happens for some).
You'll lose your friendship with his wife, and have to witness awful pain for her, but I imagine that's a very hard relationship for you already now. And it may be that she'd rather know.
Is this option at all feasible?

NickNaughty · 27/10/2017 14:48

Also, where else do you get moments of emotional connectedness? Even a little bit. Can you build on these?

upperlimit · 27/10/2017 14:55

That's not exactly the full extent of the fall-out though, Nick. You need to add on the impact on the children who share a school and friendship groups. I can't imagine the whole thing could be handled in a way in which both sets of kids aren't dragged into this.

PeriPostwoman · 27/10/2017 15:00

OP, you are starved for attention and he makes you feel wanted, it's understandable that you are drawn to this even if you KNOW it's wrong and nothing good will come of this.

How old are the dc of your friend? How are old are your dc?

Are you looking for a new dad for your dc? What is it you are after because if you are looking for a life partner this man is not it because he will start again, once a cheat always a cheat. Thanks

MrsMiss · 27/10/2017 15:25

No not looking for a new Dad for dc, they have a perfectly involved Dad of their own, the kids range in age from 5 to 13.

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PeriPostwoman · 27/10/2017 15:33

Bringing a new partner and potential step dad to your family is a hugely sensitive matter. You must make sure that any future partner is a good one and your relationship has a decent, positive beginning. Snatching another woman's husband is not going to set you up for a happy ever after. Even if he came to live with you, imagine having to deal with his angry ex and damaged, angry step children for years to come. Hell no.

Get rid of this guy and see how amazing you feel for having acted in a way that shows you have self respect and is the right thing to do. Whenever there is adultery children will suffer life long wounds. you will be directly responsible for their lifelong wounds and family drama/pain.

You are in the grip of some powerful emotions and hormones. You need help and support to disentangle yourself, like NOW before his wife and children and your dc find out.

will you do it?

ElephantsandTigers · 27/10/2017 15:41

Read the hundreds of threads on here posted by wives who have been left devastated by their husbands betrayal and the many many threads by adult children whose father or mother had an affair.

It's not hard. It's very simple. If you're a decent person you will stop the shitty behaviour with him and start to distance yourself from the whole family or accept the feeling shit every time you see them as the price you pay for your huge betrayal.

You can't justify this no matter how much you try and make out these are special circumstances and you are different.

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WigglySquid · 27/10/2017 15:46

What’s striking about your OP is that you don’t seem to have given any thought to the impact your and his behaviour will have on his wife and children. You are in your 40s but acting like a selfish, irresponsible teenager. Having experienced the trauma of relationship breakdown, why would you inflict this on somebody else? Sad

MrsMiss · 27/10/2017 15:52

Do you know what?!! I am not narcissistic, nor do I keep chasing men, unavailable or otherwise. I say I am not to blame because I think the way certain people stigmatise women in these relationships is off. I parted with my dh - I am not an adulterer, but I wouldn't judge those who were because I see that things are never black and white. I don't think people are actually reading what I'm writing. I don't thrive on t, I'm not a drama queen, I've gone about my business trying to 'cool' the friendship but find it hard. I'm still a person. I haven't killed anyone, I haven't wrecked anything, I haven't stolen something that isn't mine. I haven't got anything?!! I'm trying to do the right thing. I understand your husband let you down and you are angry but it wasn't me!!!!!!!

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serialcheat · 27/10/2017 15:53

Revengeongc

You sound like a fantastic lady but still deeply hurting......

Op, this is how your lovers wife will feel when she finds out and her life is ripped apart.

But you have the power to stop hurting this female friend by keeping your knickers in !!!!!

2014newme · 27/10/2017 15:53

Oh God bore off Op, me me me me you are utterly selfish and love the drama. You find it exciting. Get your own boyfriend instead of someone else's sloppy seconds. You need a slap tbh.

MrsMiss · 27/10/2017 15:54

of course I've considered the children, of course I've considered his wife. He has a bigger responsibility to them - I have a bigger responsibility to my own children. I've thought about it which is why as I said in the outset I blocked his initial advances. I talked to him to minimise any chance of anyone else getting hurt.

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RainyApril · 27/10/2017 15:57

If you think giving him up will be hard, just wait until the affair is discovered. All of your choices and options will be removed, your shame, guilt and loneliness will be exacerbated tenfold.

It is easy. You are doing a wrong thing, hurting his wife and hurting yourself. Stop doing it. Distance yourself from both friendships. With luck none of it will ever be discovered.

If he is as unhappy as you say, he may leave his wife and be with you legitimately in time, or be happily single, or find someone else once his marriage ends. His wife deserves his kindness, and to keep her dignity. Don't be a part of hurting her. Of course, should he decide to stay, you will know him to be a liar and can consider yourself well shot.

ConstantStruggler · 27/10/2017 16:04

I haven't wrecked anything, I haven't stolen something that isn't mine.
No, not yet, but are you sure? You say you're simply looking for some "connectedness" or whatever it was you said in your PP. But do you really need to do this at the cost of a woman you are calling your friend?

I am the wife. Not literally but in similar situation husband-friend-me. 6 months post DDay everyone is in pieces, including and most heart-breakingly the dc-s involved. Please do what you say you are trying and cool this thing right down. And try harder!

MrsMiss · 27/10/2017 16:05

How can you tell me what I find exciting? How can you know me? I've been accused of being narcissistic, of being unable to form intimate attachments, of being not decent, all kinds of things which is fine great wonderful. But he - he is.... a poor man? Poor helpless individual prised away from loving wife by selfish manipulative bitch? Manipulative bitch who can't get her own boyfriend so steals her friends. Who thinks that earlier unhappiness justifies it because it's all about her. Me me me????? If you had lived with a man with ASD for 15 devoted years you'd know that nothing, birthing could be further from the truth. Not me, not me, not me. Never me. Not that that makes it right. For kids all with ASD, never me. Never me. It's not that I'm in denial, it's just that I refuse to be bullied. I wanted perspective, I did want to make sense of it because unless I want to wreck lives I can't talk about it in real life. That's why I came here. Not for sympathy. Not for MN to tell me to go ahead. Hard as it might be to imagine, husbands who cheat on their wives are a teeny but to blame here, and women who for whatever reason choose (choose - free will) to go near them are not sub-human. I actually think my own friends would be more supportive because they know us both, know that this is not the sort of thing I would do 'lightly' and they know the man involved. Even his wife would probably suspect it was more him than me, and that's not delusion talking.

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user21 · 27/10/2017 16:07

I’m sorry you’ve been given a hard time OP.

The truth is if he wanted to be with you and not his wife he would have left.
He may not want to be with his wife but you’re obviously not the one worth leaving her for.

Caprinihahahaha · 27/10/2017 16:14

Maybe what attracted you was the idea that there was no commitment and in a way that might have felt like no responsibility?

Zubrowka · 27/10/2017 16:16

My husband and best friend 'fell in love ', there was ' nothing they could do - it just happened'. Bollocks. They made a choice to act on their feelings and in doing so have caused untold pain to me, her husband and their children.

Oh, and it lasted less than a fortnight after they broke the news. True love right??

Don't do this. I'm obviously biased given my recent history but you're doing a terrible thing and although you might not be able to help your feelings yoy can certainly control how you act on them.

ConstantStruggler · 27/10/2017 16:21

I wanted perspective, I did want to make sense of it because unless I want to wreck lives I can't talk about it in real life. That's why I came here.
OK. So perspective it is then: No you are not the only one at fault. It is him too. But you are the one asking here for some perspective and what to do, not him.

People tell you to back off. So back off. You may not be the only one at fault, but you are the one controlling your actions (I'd hope..). I understand it's hard as your heart is screaming that you want to be with him, but is it your heart really...? To hide behind depression is about the lowest of the lowest you can do. Sure the SSRIs are giving you a nice boost, but use these positive feelings to do something beautiful with the rest of YOUR life, and leave the two of them alone. Please!

AnyFucker · 27/10/2017 16:22

Op, the way you are talking now leads me to believe you never had any intention of stopping what you are doing

FangsAlot · 27/10/2017 16:26

If nothing else think of the impact of all the children involved. No 13 year old wants a mum cheating with a family friends husband, it will be mortifying for them and they will loose respect for you. No to mention you are a role model for them.

MrsMiss · 27/10/2017 16:27

The lowest of the low? To hide behind depression? Ffs I'm not hiding behind it or blaming it. I'm stating fact. I have battled depression for three years. Don't want your sympathy, not trying to get it. Not saying it to justify my life choices. SSRI's do numb emotions. Am not on a high though. I just don't cry as much over my friend, my life, him. Why are you saying that I don't want to walk away I've got no intention? I am not contacting him. Not seen him for a week. Not planning to. What makes you think I am? This is bizarre. I know he's not asking for perspective. I know I am. I get it. I get it. I don't want sympathy, am not hiding behind depression.... are you for real?

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CoyoteCafe · 27/10/2017 16:36

It’s giving you a taste of how women will treat you for the rest of your life if you keep this up and get what you want.

You are making choices. If you don’t like the way they are working out for you, then make different choices.

It’s a choice.

Intercom · 27/10/2017 16:37

Did you address this in your counselling at all? Additional sessions with this as a focus could give you a clearer viewpoint. IMO you need to unpick your feelings and behaviours with a qualified person, as this will help you to make the necessary changes and choices in your life and not fall into the same traps again.

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