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I'm the other woman, not proud of it, confused - anyone been in this situation?

355 replies

MrsMiss · 26/10/2017 21:47

I realise this is going to prompt an onslaught of criticism, fair enough. I just wondered there are people who could help me as I can't talk in real life.

I'm not excusing my behaviour but context: I had previously only had two relationships - my 'first love' at college, and my husband of 11 years. We have 4 dc. Our relationship was on the surface fine in the early days, but as we had children, and I know people will think 'how could you not know' - his behaviours became more and more difficult to live with, and we embarked on marriage counselling, and eventually dh was diagnosed with Asperger's. We both tried to deal with this as best we could, but after a further year and a half of counselling and best efforts, we both mutually agreed to separate.

I was diagnosed with clinical depression, and felt like my life was not worth living. Single parent, in 40s, part-time work, scraping money together, dealing with loss and disappointment of marriage and the impact of living with emotionally unavailable man who always seemed so harsh/manipulative but also vulnerable, making it hard for me to see the wood for the trees.

I became close friends with a couple, our kids get on well, and we spent time together over the next year or so. Fast forward to a party earlier this year, the man in this couple gets v. drunk and makes a pass at me. I think I'm being really careful to avoid hurting his feelings, and my good friend his wife, and stop things in their tracks. However, I wasn't prepared for how it made me feel. To him it was probably just a drunken fumble. To me, it was highly significant - one of the few times in my life that someone has shown me such attention. He contacted me afterwards and we 'talked', discussing the fact that neither of us 'did this kind of thing' and that it was no big deal, a mistake, hadn't gone too far, no harm done. But then over a period of weeks and months our friendship has gradually developed. To begin with it seemed he was stuck in an unhappy relationship and spending a very brief time talking to me helped him, and me, to feel less lonely. However, now I feel like it is me who has fallen deeply in love with this person, and he is either (a) regretting his actions and looking for a 'safe' exit strategy, (b) in denial and scared about the strength of his initial feelings, worried about everyone else's reaction if it was discovered etc or (c) just chaotically enjoying the rare moments we do get to spend time together, but feeling guilty otherwise. I've obviously tried to talk about it but it never really goes anywhere. He knew before we got together that I was depressed. He knows I find it tough being on my own with the kids, but I genuinely believe he thinks I can help him and he can help me. I swing between being horrified at myself for putting myself in this situation - I know how low my behaviour is, I know what is at stake, I know I can't have much self-respect if I let him basically take what he wants when he wants. But, I do feel so much better for having a connection with someone for the first time in my adult life. I obviously thought I had it with my stb ex dh but was bewildered by his condition, hoodwinked by his manipulation and brought down by the endless negativity and anxiety that our relationship brought to bear on me. Part of me thinks 'why shouldn't I?' but then I remember that I'm not even happy as everything is on his terms. I think I know what people are going to say, and honestly I will read your comments and will think carefully. I know it will be too painful for some people to try to imagine from my perspective, but if anyone has experiences to share that might help me, I would be grateful. Thank you.

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 29/10/2017 11:33

Orlando, no, it doesn't always come out. That is a myth and OP has posted to say that she's ended the relationship.

What else did you want from her?

Orlandointhewilderness · 29/10/2017 11:37

Why should I want anything from her?!
She posted a thread on a public forum asking people to contribute. I contributed.
Hasn't deleted his number though has she. Of course it isn't over, don't be so naive.
And in my experience, yes it is always found out. But is it any less of a morally reprehensible act just because it isn't discovered?

Orlandointhewilderness · 29/10/2017 11:39

Have just read the last post, which I hadn't seen.
I sincerely hope you can breakaway from this OP. Good luck and stay strong.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 29/10/2017 11:41

Oh I see, just a bitch-plop then. Delivery of a kicking when an OP's posted an apology. Big of you.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 29/10/2017 11:42

Apology to you, Orlando, crossed with your last post.

Orlandointhewilderness · 29/10/2017 11:45

No probs lying, i should've read the full thread!

DownbutnotfullyOut · 29/10/2017 11:51

Well done OP - stay strong

I think that a lot of people consider couples who started as an affair to be sort of tainted. They want to keep them at arms length, almost like infidelity is a contagious illness that one never truly recovers from.

Coyote - this is nonsense.

It is broadly true that when a Orignal Couple split as a result of an affair, one member of the couple keeps the friends. Sometimes this will be the partner who commandes the sympathy (the one cheated on) but sometimes it will be the partner who was the cheater. That is entirely circumstantial and based on lots of variables - including self interest and power dynamics. Eg. if the social circle is predominantly associated with the man (cheater in this example's) work and man of the couples are connected with him via their work (say he is the boss or a signficant client), it just won't happen that he and his new partner get ostracised.

Beyond that (the old circle of the Original Couple's friends), I hate to break it to you but to be honest most people really don't give a rat's ass how a relationship began. People just don't care. Whether you are friends with a person is much more to do with self interest- whether they add value to your life: ie (Social) you get on/they make laugh/ you like them/ you have an interest in common/attend same club; (Practical) you have kids in the same class so need a useful lift-sharer or babysitter/ work together/convenience of being friendly with a near neighbour and so on.

I know plenty of men who are in relationships that started as affairs who are entirely open about it and are delighted to brag about their much younger new girlfriend. Men in those kind of circles don't take offence or back off- they are slapping him on the back.

I agree that women in relationships can be more cautious about associating with a woman who has been known to have affairs especially if they are single. Your wide ranging proposition about couples who begin like this is wrong.

besides I expect most people can identify at least one or two life long happy relationships that began out of an affair where the first marriage was a mistake. I'm not condoning cheating but just saying it doesn't always = an ostracised person or indeed a person who deserves to be ostracised.

Kr1st1na · 29/10/2017 11:55

Well done for ending it OP. I wish you well and hope you find the love and support you need elsewhere.

Lost of other MNer have found the baggage reclaim site helpful, I’m glad it’s helping you too.

Just hold onto the fact that you are doing the right thing for your children, even if you cant believe that it’s right for yourself. In time you will come to see that too.

TheStoic · 29/10/2017 12:01

And in my experience, yes it is always found out.

Not in my experience.

Orlandointhewilderness · 29/10/2017 12:20

Well stoic everyone's experiences are different aren't they.

magoria · 29/10/2017 12:29

OP have you stopped to consider she is only staying with him and is unhappy because he has already tried it on with other women, maybe had other affairs and you are just the next in line?

Shame she thought you were her friend and she could trust you though.

sofato5miles · 29/10/2017 12:30

I agree with stoic, I know of at least 5 infidelities that have never been discovered.

BackInTheRoom · 29/10/2017 12:43

Well done OP 💐

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 29/10/2017 12:44

... and there are many infidelities that are only knowledge between the two people that nobody else knows about. So they never form part of the statistics anyway.

RainyApril · 29/10/2017 13:05

Sofa, how do you know about them then?

TheStoic · 29/10/2017 13:09

They’re not secret. They’re just ‘undiscovered’ by the people that matter. I.e. the spouse.

RainyApril · 29/10/2017 13:31

So other people know but not the spouse? How humiliating.

Also, it would be more accurate to say 'the spouse doesn't know yet' because everyone tells one other person eventually don't they, and then the cat's properly out of the bag.

And how do you know the spouse doesn't know? Because her heart is breaking silently? Because she sobs in private?

Maybe she knows. Maybe she suspects and it's driving her mad. Maybe she knows the temperature of her marriage has changed but doesn't know why. Maybe she's blissfully unaware but will find out one day.

Whinesalot · 29/10/2017 13:31

revenge remember the best "revenge" is to go on and have happy life.

I'm sure many of us can't comprehend the hurt that you have gone through but personally i know a couple of women that have never been able to let go of the bitterness and it is the bitterness that eventually ruins their lives completely. Please don't end up being one of those women. Try counselling to help you let go of the bitterness and be able to move on to a happy, if not happier, life. I realise this isn't going to go down well with you but it really does come from my heart.

TheStoic · 29/10/2017 13:37

So other people know but not the spouse? How humiliating.

Well, not if they don’t know.

I know it’s a nice thought to believe it all comes out in the wash, but it doesn’t work like that. Just ask anyone who works in the city, for starters.

revengeongc · 29/10/2017 13:39

Whinesalot, yes, I realise that.

I'm happier than I was a year ago. I have lots of real, loving friends, a great career, talent, a decent work ethic, my own money and am still a stone lighter than I was when I found out. Everything my former friend now doesn't have.

I'm sure one day I'll just pity her. Her and the OP.

revengeongc · 29/10/2017 13:40

And I've been in therapy since I found out. When you have PTSD, it's pretty essential.

Whinesalot · 29/10/2017 13:42

I'm glad you are on the right track then revenge

HateHomework · 29/10/2017 14:03

Well done OP just stay strong and don't go back cause he might start begging soon!!

SilverySurfer · 29/10/2017 15:11

Well done - it may not be easy but you've done the right thing and should be proud of yourself.

I really hope you meet someone new and have a very happy life.

jojowilko · 29/10/2017 21:11

@tygr

This is low: I’m very sorry for those of you destroyed by affairs. I suggest perhaps you get your own counselling rather than seeking out threads on Mumsnet to vent your spleens on.

I very much doubt that anyone is seeking out threads on MN rather than working through their own issues. The fact remains that the OP is being deceitful and then decided to tell a load of random strangers on MN about it. If she didn't want negative feedback she shouldn't have posted about it in a public forum but spent the last two days intermittently stoking the discussion.

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