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I'm the other woman, not proud of it, confused - anyone been in this situation?

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MrsMiss · 26/10/2017 21:47

I realise this is going to prompt an onslaught of criticism, fair enough. I just wondered there are people who could help me as I can't talk in real life.

I'm not excusing my behaviour but context: I had previously only had two relationships - my 'first love' at college, and my husband of 11 years. We have 4 dc. Our relationship was on the surface fine in the early days, but as we had children, and I know people will think 'how could you not know' - his behaviours became more and more difficult to live with, and we embarked on marriage counselling, and eventually dh was diagnosed with Asperger's. We both tried to deal with this as best we could, but after a further year and a half of counselling and best efforts, we both mutually agreed to separate.

I was diagnosed with clinical depression, and felt like my life was not worth living. Single parent, in 40s, part-time work, scraping money together, dealing with loss and disappointment of marriage and the impact of living with emotionally unavailable man who always seemed so harsh/manipulative but also vulnerable, making it hard for me to see the wood for the trees.

I became close friends with a couple, our kids get on well, and we spent time together over the next year or so. Fast forward to a party earlier this year, the man in this couple gets v. drunk and makes a pass at me. I think I'm being really careful to avoid hurting his feelings, and my good friend his wife, and stop things in their tracks. However, I wasn't prepared for how it made me feel. To him it was probably just a drunken fumble. To me, it was highly significant - one of the few times in my life that someone has shown me such attention. He contacted me afterwards and we 'talked', discussing the fact that neither of us 'did this kind of thing' and that it was no big deal, a mistake, hadn't gone too far, no harm done. But then over a period of weeks and months our friendship has gradually developed. To begin with it seemed he was stuck in an unhappy relationship and spending a very brief time talking to me helped him, and me, to feel less lonely. However, now I feel like it is me who has fallen deeply in love with this person, and he is either (a) regretting his actions and looking for a 'safe' exit strategy, (b) in denial and scared about the strength of his initial feelings, worried about everyone else's reaction if it was discovered etc or (c) just chaotically enjoying the rare moments we do get to spend time together, but feeling guilty otherwise. I've obviously tried to talk about it but it never really goes anywhere. He knew before we got together that I was depressed. He knows I find it tough being on my own with the kids, but I genuinely believe he thinks I can help him and he can help me. I swing between being horrified at myself for putting myself in this situation - I know how low my behaviour is, I know what is at stake, I know I can't have much self-respect if I let him basically take what he wants when he wants. But, I do feel so much better for having a connection with someone for the first time in my adult life. I obviously thought I had it with my stb ex dh but was bewildered by his condition, hoodwinked by his manipulation and brought down by the endless negativity and anxiety that our relationship brought to bear on me. Part of me thinks 'why shouldn't I?' but then I remember that I'm not even happy as everything is on his terms. I think I know what people are going to say, and honestly I will read your comments and will think carefully. I know it will be too painful for some people to try to imagine from my perspective, but if anyone has experiences to share that might help me, I would be grateful. Thank you.

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upperlimit · 27/10/2017 11:22

Because you say that you both tried to walk away as if just doing that and getting on were it is just totally beyond you. As though you are both so drawn to one another that it couldn't be helped that you haven't walked away from one another at the first crisis of morality. It's a childish narrative that works to minimise the level of dishonesty and makes out as though you are a victim of your emotions.

You are fucking your friend's husband. Own it on its own terms and revise your poor little me pity party.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 27/10/2017 11:22

I am grown up enough to get out of an emotionally abusive relationship And walk straight into another one. Even if you don’t care about your friend, have some care for yourself. No good will come of this.

MrsMiss · 27/10/2017 11:30

Childish narrative? Pity party... ok I asked for it, and why should you offer help or support if you don't want to... I doubt that I can express to you how much guilt I feel. I am fucking my friends husband, if course I own it. I own every time I see them together as a family, I own it when I see my friend on her own, I own it when I'm alone trying to force myself to break contact. He's having an affair, I am guilty of betraying my friend, I am lying, I am facilitating it, I am enabling him to do this. I own it. I own it alright. I own it every waking minute of every day and every sleepless night. I own it. No problem.

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AnneLovesGilbert · 27/10/2017 11:30

You say you can navigate a situation to avoid hurt to people at all costs but where does your poor friend fit in to this scenario? Another woman is fucking her husband. That's about as hurtful as it gets, unless I've misunderstood what you're saying.

FinallyHere · 27/10/2017 11:32

Your first message touched me, this jumped out at me it was highly significant - one of the few times in my life that someone has shown me such attention.

And I am afraid that it was obvious to me, as to probably everyone else who reads this thread, that this man is not doing anything nice for you. He is taking advantage of your desperation, nothing more. You deserve so much more, I wish with all my heart that you give yourself a chance to look something more, and do not waste any of yourself on this man, who already has a wife and is just out for a bit of fun on the side. I'm sorry, it really isn't anything more, please don't settle for a mirage of a good relationship, with someone who is already a cheat.

The previous poster's idea of project nourish yourself sounds like a great start. Walking away from someone who is just using you would be a good way to nourish yourself. All the very best.

AnyFucker · 27/10/2017 11:35

Stop it then

You have free will. Use it.

Belleoftheball8 · 27/10/2017 11:36

Regardless of your excuses op they don’t have any relevance because you intent to or have done the dirty of an innocence woman who you claim to be your friends. Friends don’t do that and decent women don’t go for unattainable men.

Belleoftheball8 · 27/10/2017 11:38

Just seen that you have slept with your FRIENDS husband! Having depression or being lonely after a failed relationship doesn’t give you the green light to go and do the dirty on your friend it’s pretty low.

2014newme · 27/10/2017 11:39

Gosh you are full of self pity woe is me. Take responsibility for your own life. You have not made the best choices so far but you can make different choices.

upperlimit · 27/10/2017 11:42

But why do this to yourself?

Life is finite. Don't blow it on this guy. Don't waste it. You don't have to make these choices and drag this guilt around with you. Just drop it all.

All I'm saying is that it is a choice and you could choose differently.

MrsMiss · 27/10/2017 11:48

I never said anything gave me the green light, I never said it was ok because I have depression, I never said woe is me. I'm in a situation that I can't talk about to anybody in real life, as a strategy for trying to sort it out I thought I'd share it on here. I haven't been on MN for ages but just thought it would be a 'safe' way to explore how I feel. I understand that you don't think I'm a decent woman and am not a 'friend'. I take no pleasure in that, you are entitled to your view. I shouldn't get dragged in to trying to justify myself because each thing I say gives you more ammunition. Yes I know I should stop and walk away. If it were that simple I would not be in the mess I'm in. I'm not arguing that I'm somehow in the right. I don't expect sympathy - as I said I'm not proud of this. I honestly don't think it would help the situation to tell his wife.

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upperlimit · 27/10/2017 11:51

Why is it not as simple as that? What complicates walking way?

MrsMiss · 27/10/2017 11:54

We live in same town, kids are all friends, go to same school, shared friends, do I cut all contact, stop kids seeing each other, never speak to wife again? Do I explain to mutual friends that we've fallen out? Do I move away from my family and dc's father to start again somewhere new? That's why it's not simple.

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PhoenixMama · 27/10/2017 11:57

Op you’re making excuses. You think walking away is bad, just wait till you are ostracised from your community, friends, school, etc when people find out.

You don’t need to move to another town. You need to stop fucking your best friend’s husband. The kids can be friends, they can go to the same school, you can still socialise with others as friends, you just need to stop seeing him in private and stop from having his dick stuck in.

FredericaFreiheit · 27/10/2017 12:00

I am grown up enough to get out of an emotionally abusive relationship
And walk straight into another one. Even if you don’t care about your friend, have some care for yourself. No good will come of this.

Schnitzel has this spot on.

How come you keep getting involved with unavailable men, OP?

I get that you are hurt and lonely. I feel for you, but not as much as I feel for his poor wife.

If you don't stop it, it will eventually come out. He may leave his wife for you, but that's unlikely. The most probable outcome is that you will be seen as a nasty, deceitful (insert offensive word for woman) by the wife and any other 'friends' you might have. You will be the subject of gossip and judgment and this will impact your children too - who will be ashamed and hurt (ashamed of you).

In all likelihood, he will go crawling back to his wife and put the blame 100% at your door. People will close ranks. You think you've been lonely before, just wait.

Instead of letting all this happen as if you are an innocent bystander you can do something. You know that honest relationships based on respect and love do exist, right?

Wishingandwaiting · 27/10/2017 12:03

No judgement here OP.

This is no great love affair though. This is a slimy man and a desperate woman. I would walk away pronto if i were you.

AnyFucker · 27/10/2017 12:10

Now you consider those "complications" ? Hmm.

Your life is going to implode when this comes to light. And your children's.

You could stop that now. If you wanted to. Then cool the friendship off. It never really was a "friendship" after all.

BackInTheRoom · 27/10/2017 12:10

HE'S MARRIED! His wife is your friend! Can you imagine the shit she'd have to go through trying to recover from this?! OMG I can just imagine 😱

TheStoic · 27/10/2017 12:12

Today, you are the kind of woman who fucks her friend’s husband.

Tomorrow, you don’t have to be that kind of person. You can start putting this behind you from this very moment.

It’s up to you. What sort of person are you?

upperlimit · 27/10/2017 12:12

That is ridiculously mess MrsMiss

I wouldn't move my family at all in this situation. I wouldn't tell his wife, I'd walk away from friendship but just by declining invitations and reducing contact generally until it fades. I'd do the same with the children's contact with one another.

It's likely it is going to blow up but it might not do that straight away. This way you can guide your kids to be less dependent on the friendships with their children and you can get a bit of emotional distance.

revengeongc · 27/10/2017 12:15

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MrsMiss · 27/10/2017 12:22

I'm not that woman though, my situation may sound similar but you don't know me, or my situation. I'm sorry your husband let you down so badly.

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HappyintheHills · 27/10/2017 12:22

What stops you deciding not to shag your friend's DH?
You can tell him you have decided not to shag him again.
Carry on family life as usual without the shagging.

RedForFilth · 27/10/2017 12:24

Walking away doesn't have to be a massive statement. Just decline all invites from them, gradually they will stop asking. Obviously ignore him completely and block his mobile number etc.
You're making out like its super complicated when it really isn't! It's either that or carry on, probably get found out and then everyone will know so you probably will actually have to move.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 27/10/2017 12:24

I'm not that woman though

Yes you are. You might not want to admit it, but you are.