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I'm the other woman, not proud of it, confused - anyone been in this situation?

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MrsMiss · 26/10/2017 21:47

I realise this is going to prompt an onslaught of criticism, fair enough. I just wondered there are people who could help me as I can't talk in real life.

I'm not excusing my behaviour but context: I had previously only had two relationships - my 'first love' at college, and my husband of 11 years. We have 4 dc. Our relationship was on the surface fine in the early days, but as we had children, and I know people will think 'how could you not know' - his behaviours became more and more difficult to live with, and we embarked on marriage counselling, and eventually dh was diagnosed with Asperger's. We both tried to deal with this as best we could, but after a further year and a half of counselling and best efforts, we both mutually agreed to separate.

I was diagnosed with clinical depression, and felt like my life was not worth living. Single parent, in 40s, part-time work, scraping money together, dealing with loss and disappointment of marriage and the impact of living with emotionally unavailable man who always seemed so harsh/manipulative but also vulnerable, making it hard for me to see the wood for the trees.

I became close friends with a couple, our kids get on well, and we spent time together over the next year or so. Fast forward to a party earlier this year, the man in this couple gets v. drunk and makes a pass at me. I think I'm being really careful to avoid hurting his feelings, and my good friend his wife, and stop things in their tracks. However, I wasn't prepared for how it made me feel. To him it was probably just a drunken fumble. To me, it was highly significant - one of the few times in my life that someone has shown me such attention. He contacted me afterwards and we 'talked', discussing the fact that neither of us 'did this kind of thing' and that it was no big deal, a mistake, hadn't gone too far, no harm done. But then over a period of weeks and months our friendship has gradually developed. To begin with it seemed he was stuck in an unhappy relationship and spending a very brief time talking to me helped him, and me, to feel less lonely. However, now I feel like it is me who has fallen deeply in love with this person, and he is either (a) regretting his actions and looking for a 'safe' exit strategy, (b) in denial and scared about the strength of his initial feelings, worried about everyone else's reaction if it was discovered etc or (c) just chaotically enjoying the rare moments we do get to spend time together, but feeling guilty otherwise. I've obviously tried to talk about it but it never really goes anywhere. He knew before we got together that I was depressed. He knows I find it tough being on my own with the kids, but I genuinely believe he thinks I can help him and he can help me. I swing between being horrified at myself for putting myself in this situation - I know how low my behaviour is, I know what is at stake, I know I can't have much self-respect if I let him basically take what he wants when he wants. But, I do feel so much better for having a connection with someone for the first time in my adult life. I obviously thought I had it with my stb ex dh but was bewildered by his condition, hoodwinked by his manipulation and brought down by the endless negativity and anxiety that our relationship brought to bear on me. Part of me thinks 'why shouldn't I?' but then I remember that I'm not even happy as everything is on his terms. I think I know what people are going to say, and honestly I will read your comments and will think carefully. I know it will be too painful for some people to try to imagine from my perspective, but if anyone has experiences to share that might help me, I would be grateful. Thank you.

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ferando81 · 27/10/2017 01:28

Your lonely and vulnerable .Easy prey in the jungle of life

meditrina · 27/10/2017 01:54

Why are you posting?

Asking for flagellation - which you appear to be doing - is a way of stoking the affair bubble of drama. And you need to cut it out.

It's not drama, it's the same old story.

You made the choices that got you in to this. You will continue to make choices. It's all up to you.

If you're miserable, choose a better path than the one you're on.

If you want the 'drama' choose to keep going.

But own your choices.

serialcheat · 27/10/2017 02:41

Ask him if he thinks of you, while he's shagging his wife.....

DiscoDeviant · 27/10/2017 02:54

My ex had 6 affairs in the 20 years we were together. I didn't find out how many until towards the end. They were always with vulnerable women, he manipulated them and promised them the earth. He had no intention of leaving me though. He was shocked when I finally left him after years of wanting too. He's now with a woman he was seeing on and off for 15 years. She didn't have any other relationships. She thinks she's won her prize, poor deluded fool. Run away, fast. It won't end well and you will end up being the bad guy not him. Don't be that person.

serialcheat · 27/10/2017 03:46

Better still, ask his wife, ( Your good friend ), if he calls out your name while she's being shagged !?

serialcheat · 27/10/2017 03:48

You're vulnerable, but it doesn't give you the right to fuck your friends or married partners over.

Caprinihahahaha · 27/10/2017 03:56

You need to find your comfort elsewhere ,
Being confused and feeling isolated doesn't make it ok to fuck over a woman who thinks you are her friend
Get some self respect

AstridWhite · 27/10/2017 04:10

His wife is your good friend.

Forget about how hard done by and sad you are, forget about what motivates him in all this and just remind yourself that his wife has been a very good friend to you. What the hell are you doing?

Csd17 · 27/10/2017 04:23

Ugh you have to walk away. I’m sorry it made you feel something powerful and I’m sorry the man put you in this position.. but I can’t help thinking about his wife, your so-called friend. I don’t mean to sound judgemental but situations like this break my heart. Affairs are the worst.

RedForFilth · 27/10/2017 09:26

You sound absolutely desperate tbh. You could be anyone to him because he's just a cunt. It's so much worse because you're supposed to be friends with his wife and this is how you treat her? I'd like to see how you treat your enemies if that's the case.
Basically he saw someone desperate for attention, said all the right things and you lapped it up. The best thing you can do is scrape what little dignity you have left off the floor and cut contact with all of them.

Whinesalot · 27/10/2017 09:37

You know you are going to end up without him and your best friend. This is why you posted. It's obvious that this is not going to end well and you will be hurt.

I can see why you fell into this. You are vulnerable and lonely but you need to use your head instead of your heart. You know you have to walk away otherwise you wouldn't have posted. I hope we can help you gather the strength to do that.

How do you feel when you see his wife?
Imagine a future where you can have what this man gives you but he is free and its mutually satisfying and is morally right. Concentrate on that.

springydaffs · 27/10/2017 09:39

What advice would you give to someone in this situation? If you are emotionally starved and have no one in your life, how can you nourish your emotional life?

You make it a project over, say, a year: Project Nourishment.

Anything and everything goes into this project. Yy massage may make you think you don't have an on-hand (arf) partner to do that regularly, or it can make you grateful for a body that feels and is precious..

You lavish care on your poor starved bod and mind, probably grieving the hard times that got you there. A million small nourishing things add up eg the wrapping in a blanket I mentioned earlier. Treat yourself like you're valuable and precious and worthy of care. Well before the year is up you'll be giving to others bcs your cup is overflowing.

You DON'T accept yet more self esteem sucking situs in your life, however small. Some you can't avoid but you keep them to a minimum, giving them only the time and head space they need and no more.

An affair with a married man has to be THE most emotionally devastating situ out there. Good bye peace of mind, self pride, validation. Good bye nurturing and valuable relating.

Just don't do it to yourself. And don't do it to her.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 27/10/2017 09:39

everything is on his terms

He is manipulating you.

He is cheating on his wife.

I know you have suggested a) and b) and c). Would just like to suggest d) He's got what he wanted (sex) and now just wants out.

None of this has a happy ending of you. Suggest you cut contact (he can explain why to his wife, your 'good friend). Have you considered having any counselling to help boost your esteem?

Isetan · 27/10/2017 10:02

You're vulnerable and he's a distraction but if you continue, the price of this distraction will be very high and you won't be the only one paying it.

It's time to rejoin the real world and to work on finding your place in it, this fantasy can't be sustained.

springydaffs · 27/10/2017 10:02

(that said, sometimes a full body massage is too much when you are feeling raw and very hurt. A head massage or hand/forearm massage might be more bearable.)

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 27/10/2017 10:06

it seemed he was stuck in an unhappy relationship Did the relationship seem unhappy before you started having sex with him? You’d observed it at close quarters. Did your good friend, his wife say anything negative about it? Otherwise he’s spinning you a line.

MrsMiss · 27/10/2017 10:44

I know all the negatives obviously and no am not caught up in the 'drama' far from it, and yes I care about my friend of course I do... they both seem miserable, have done for years, have known them for many many years...

I don't feel pathetic/desperate, but I do feel like it is hard to walk away. We have both tried to, several times. The fact that his wife is my friend must particularly incite anger, but as he says, she's my friend but his wife. I would never have thought I could do this, and by explaining about my past I don't mean to sound like I am trying to justify, am just explaining the backstory - I wasn't unfaithful in my painfully unhappy marriage, I have had personal counselling, and I am genuinely struggling with this because I cannot discuss my feelings with anyone. I don't ask for sympathy or punishment, just thought some people might have walked the path and I could ask them to help. I know I need to walk away, no contact, I know that is what I need to do.

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SchnitzelVonKrumm · 27/10/2017 10:54

You don’t deserve someone else’s husband just because you didn’t cheat on your own

Sadlady77 · 27/10/2017 10:55

You deserve better than how is he is treating you. How do you know they are unhappy? Because he says so? Does she say it?

If he really wants to be with you he will end it now, then end his marriage and then you can be together properly. If this isn't on the cards then cut contact. You deserve to be in a proper relationship and being treated with respect and love, not some seedy secret.

Sarahh2014 · 27/10/2017 10:55

It's a betrayal to your friend she trusts you if you think this is a long term relationship then get him to end it with her if he doesn't he's using you as a bit of fun yes it's testing him but so what you deserve to know the truth of situation but his wife does more so..ive been there but mine was a fling as a single woman with a man who's girlfriend I didn't know(still not right morally but I'd never do it to a friend) it's shit being the other woman but far more shit for the poor unsuspecting wife!

Namethecat · 27/10/2017 10:58

I think you are both two unhappy people who are trying to be each other's counsellor but failing badly on the emotional side. He was ' there ' and easily obtainable when you needed a shoulder and by making a drunken pass at you has blurred the acceptable line. He is not your man - he's your friends husband. Even if his problems end his marriage, she's your friend so in my world - out of bounds. Stop seeing him as your knight in shining amour, and definitely stop seeing him full stop.

upperlimit · 27/10/2017 11:00

I don't feel pathetic/desperate, but I do feel like it is hard to walk away.

oh, give over. Just make a choice to leave and get on with it. Or, accept that you are soliciting drama and grief into your life and get on with it.

But don't make out that you are compelled to engage with this. Grow up.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 27/10/2017 11:06

Tell your friend you’re screwing her husband and let her make a decision. If they’re that unhappy she might feel you’ve done her a favour.

upperlimit · 27/10/2017 11:09

Tell your friend you’re screwing her husband and let her make a decision

Maybe just yell it across the room though so you have a head start.

MrsMiss · 27/10/2017 11:10

Upperlimit I can see you don't understand. I didn't say I was compelled to do anything, and frankly telling me to grow up... I am grown up enough to get out of an emotionally abusive relationship, raise 4 young children on my own and navigate a situation to avoid hurt to people at all costs, and no i don't want a medal or think that I am entitled or deserve or anything... am just bloody struggling to make sense of my raw emotions.

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