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I'm the other woman, not proud of it, confused - anyone been in this situation?

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MrsMiss · 26/10/2017 21:47

I realise this is going to prompt an onslaught of criticism, fair enough. I just wondered there are people who could help me as I can't talk in real life.

I'm not excusing my behaviour but context: I had previously only had two relationships - my 'first love' at college, and my husband of 11 years. We have 4 dc. Our relationship was on the surface fine in the early days, but as we had children, and I know people will think 'how could you not know' - his behaviours became more and more difficult to live with, and we embarked on marriage counselling, and eventually dh was diagnosed with Asperger's. We both tried to deal with this as best we could, but after a further year and a half of counselling and best efforts, we both mutually agreed to separate.

I was diagnosed with clinical depression, and felt like my life was not worth living. Single parent, in 40s, part-time work, scraping money together, dealing with loss and disappointment of marriage and the impact of living with emotionally unavailable man who always seemed so harsh/manipulative but also vulnerable, making it hard for me to see the wood for the trees.

I became close friends with a couple, our kids get on well, and we spent time together over the next year or so. Fast forward to a party earlier this year, the man in this couple gets v. drunk and makes a pass at me. I think I'm being really careful to avoid hurting his feelings, and my good friend his wife, and stop things in their tracks. However, I wasn't prepared for how it made me feel. To him it was probably just a drunken fumble. To me, it was highly significant - one of the few times in my life that someone has shown me such attention. He contacted me afterwards and we 'talked', discussing the fact that neither of us 'did this kind of thing' and that it was no big deal, a mistake, hadn't gone too far, no harm done. But then over a period of weeks and months our friendship has gradually developed. To begin with it seemed he was stuck in an unhappy relationship and spending a very brief time talking to me helped him, and me, to feel less lonely. However, now I feel like it is me who has fallen deeply in love with this person, and he is either (a) regretting his actions and looking for a 'safe' exit strategy, (b) in denial and scared about the strength of his initial feelings, worried about everyone else's reaction if it was discovered etc or (c) just chaotically enjoying the rare moments we do get to spend time together, but feeling guilty otherwise. I've obviously tried to talk about it but it never really goes anywhere. He knew before we got together that I was depressed. He knows I find it tough being on my own with the kids, but I genuinely believe he thinks I can help him and he can help me. I swing between being horrified at myself for putting myself in this situation - I know how low my behaviour is, I know what is at stake, I know I can't have much self-respect if I let him basically take what he wants when he wants. But, I do feel so much better for having a connection with someone for the first time in my adult life. I obviously thought I had it with my stb ex dh but was bewildered by his condition, hoodwinked by his manipulation and brought down by the endless negativity and anxiety that our relationship brought to bear on me. Part of me thinks 'why shouldn't I?' but then I remember that I'm not even happy as everything is on his terms. I think I know what people are going to say, and honestly I will read your comments and will think carefully. I know it will be too painful for some people to try to imagine from my perspective, but if anyone has experiences to share that might help me, I would be grateful. Thank you.

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Caprinihahahaha · 27/10/2017 16:38

Op
If the affair is over then all you can do is be grateful that you have reached the right decision and make some steps to try and figure out what led to such a poor choice

You are obviously battered by your marriage and raising your children but trying to seek solace in superficial affection hasn't helped.

You have friends around you. Are you able to start rebuilding your life with people who have your best interests at heart?

MrsMiss · 27/10/2017 16:40

Oh well thank you for giving me a taste of it, that really helps me to see something which I failed to comprehend before. I have a real insight now. Pivotal moment.

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Mummyloves09 · 27/10/2017 16:41

This has to be a wind upHmm....

NickNaughty · 27/10/2017 16:43

Not seen him for a week. Not planning to.

This is really good, OP. Are you having to resist urges to contact him/see him? If so, how are you doing it? How can you strengthen your ability to do it? It will get better with time, if you can seriously stick to your guns this time. Look up "urge surfing". Every day that goes by without contact, you're closer to finding something (a relationship, a way of life, whatever it might be) which genuinely makes you happy for the long term.

MrsMiss · 27/10/2017 16:43

Capri yes maybe that is what I need to do, thank you.

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MyKingdomForBrie · 27/10/2017 16:46

Your husband hurt you, now you’re helping her husband hurt her.

You didn’t like being or want to be hurt - nor does she. So don’t be a part of it.

Cut contact, with both of them.

MrsMiss · 27/10/2017 16:47

Nick thank you. Thank you for reading and posting. Yes... am resisting. Each hour that goes by... it's painful but believe it or not this thread has helped. Have been focused on this rather than tempted to text. Feel I am making progress. Thank you for understanding that! Half angry at myself by getting drawn into the debate but half relieved because it is a major distraction!

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HanutaQueen · 27/10/2017 16:54

OP I understand 100% what it is you want from this thread.

I've been where you are. You know it is wrong. You know that he isn't going to leave his family and you don't really want him to leave for you, per se. You want to know how you can extricate yourself from this situation realistically.

It's like when people say to overweight folk 'just lose weight'. Well it's really that fucking easy isn't it Hmm

I've been where you are. Nobody knows about what happened with the man, it's over and we're friends and nobody ever needs to know. How we dealt with it, was to go very limited contact. It's easy not to text if you just delete the number, and when you're tempted, just remind yourself not that everyone else will hurt if they find out but that YOU will hurt if you do this. Motivation based on self preservation is much easier to follow. The more you tell yourself that you will hurt if you keep doing this, the easier it is to follow and the more you will believe that you don't deserve to hurt.

It is easy to behave self destructively when you believe you deserve pain anyway.

So we went very limited contact. We don't see each other in person alone except in public. We don't facetime. We never drink together. We don't make jokes about fancying each other, or have flirty banter. And we have both admitted and recognised that neither of us wants to be that person, neither of us wants to buy into the fantasy that nobody will find out if it continues, we want to be better than that.

It is really hard at first. You've got used to this guy being a shoulder to cry on etc. But it's not right and it's not real and you need to believe you're worth more than this. His marriage problems are his alone; but you can own your behaviour in a different way than you think. It's not about you being strong enough to stop being 'bad'. It's about you believing you're worth more to stop hurting yourself.

HanutaQueen · 27/10/2017 16:56

To add: if the guy IS decent, and I do believe decent people do the wrong thing sometimes, he will agree and also play by the rules and stop trying to suck you back in to an affair with him. If he doesn't then he is a massive shit and you need to just stop any contact with him (alone in any case) because he is not your friend, he's not on your side, he will break you and leave you and you don't deserve that.

MrsMiss · 27/10/2017 17:10

It's really good to hear from you Hanuta, I know you are right and know that no contact at all won't work in the circumstances so your suggestion is much more practical. I'm relieved to hear you both stick to your guns and are in a better place. Thank you for sharing that, it is encouraging

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magoria · 27/10/2017 17:12

Do you realise how much more alone and sad you are going to be when this comes out?

Every woman at the school will not want to know you because if you can do the dirty on one friend what is to stop you doing it to them?

This will affect your DC in many ways. Do you really think she will want them and you around? Her kids will be angry and hurt. Other women will weigh up invites for them v having you around their husbands.

He may be responsible for his marriage but you are responsible for treating your friend like shit. Cosy little messages and stuff with her H then being all friendly with her.

OW are always the ones who come off worse. Throw that in with supposed to be her friend you are going to be complete blamed.

No real friend shits on another like this.

BackInTheRoom · 27/10/2017 17:20

OP, your comment about your dad having an affair and that it would have been better to leave might be a factor? I'd explore your thinking on this because it might be giving you a subliminal green light?

Also because you tried so hard in your marriage, you might feel somewhat entitled to make yourself happy, in a selfish way?

Have a read of this article and see what is going on in your body when affairs are conducted because it might appeal to your rational brain.

Btw, I abhor affairs, mine and my DC lives have been ripped apart by one and the cycle of affairs continues in my STBXH's family so go have a look at that connection too.

brainworldmagazine.com/the-neuroscience-of-infidelity-flame-addiction/

SandyY2K · 27/10/2017 17:22

Think of the consequences and the impact on your children if this gets exposed.

A similar situation caused the OW to take her children out of the school. Other parents stoped inviting her children to parties because they didn't want the OW coming to their homes or near their husbands.... because of she could have an affair with her best friend's husband.... she would certainly have no issue with any other man.

Think of your children first and foremost and do not be alone with this man.

You also need to accept that a friend wouldn't do this to another ... so you aren't really a true friend however you dress this up.

This caused immense embarrassment to the OWs DC when it came out .... because as you know.... people always view women on affairs worse. He cheated... It's so common ... she betrayed her best friend.....not so common.

It's you who will come off don't much worse and your depression will get evebi worse than you thought possible, when it hits home that your actions, have affected your children.

A good parent would not do anything to jeopardise their child's well-being ... and you (and him) are doing exactly that.

I'm sure it's not what you want to hear, but I've see the damage having affairs when the kids are friends quite a few times and it's devastating.

Feel free to PM me. I'm not here to judge... but I can certainly enlighten and support you if you genuinely wish to end the affair.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 27/10/2017 17:44

* But he - he is.... a poor man? Poor helpless individual prised away from loving wife by selfish manipulative bitch?* No one has even suggested that. Stop deflecting. He’s a lying, cheating, manipulative vulture who deserves only bad things, but this thread is not about him or his wellbeing, it’s about you and yours. He is not our concern.

DownTownAbbey · 27/10/2017 17:59

As someone who was in your friend's position I think you owe it to your friend to remove yourself from her life. After the affair came out I was more devastated by her betrayal than his. You are NOT her friend so get away from her. When this comes out at least you won't be guilty of adding insult to very real injury.

Notonthestairs · 27/10/2017 18:00

I wonder whether it might be a good idea for you to get some RL support - a friend that you can ring or text when you want to contact him, someone who will have your back.
Is there no one that you can confide in for help?

You can of course keep posting on here and lots of people will be willing you on to make the break but if there is someone that can talk to you when you feel low I think you'd really benefit.

In your opening post you mentioned that you are not even that happy because everything is on his terms. Remember that - you deserve to have a happy life with someone kind by your side, someone who is in it for the long haul.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 27/10/2017 18:04

@Zubrowka I remember your thread, they lasted a fortnight?!

FinallyHere · 27/10/2017 18:09

It's not about you being strong enough to stop being 'bad'. It's about you believing you're worth more to stop hurting yourself.

^ this,

well said Hanuta

Whinesalot · 27/10/2017 18:10

But he - he is.... a poor man? Poor helpless individual prised away from loving wife by selfish manipulative bitch? No one has even suggested that. Stop deflecting. He’s a lying, cheating, manipulative vulture who deserves only bad things, but this thread is not about him or his wellbeing, it’s about you and yours. He is not our concern.

This

Thinkingofausername1 · 27/10/2017 18:14

And single people always say that married couples, shouldn’t be afraid to involve them in their lives. Mmm

Laceup · 27/10/2017 18:28

Your not the other woman,it was just a drunken fumble..don't make your life more complicated than it already is...you've escaped from one tosser.dont end up with another..plus if he can cheat on his wife,why do you think he won't cheat on you...he didn't need saving..he dosnt need you....you however probably need some counselling,head to yr gp asap and get some talking therapy...to help you make better choices in life

IFartGlitter · 27/10/2017 18:50

You need to walk away. Now. I’m probably not the best person to post right now but I wanted to show you what it will be like from your ‘friends’ perspective when this all comes out, and it will come out.

I’m six weeks on from finding out my stbxdh was cheating on me. He was fucking an old friend in the woods near his work on his lunch break. A year long E.A and a five month physical affair.

We have young children. Their lives have been turned upside down. We are all suffering. I am literally broken.

End this now. Walk away now. Find some fucking humanity and stop romanticising what is basically a sordid affair. No amount of excuses absolve you from ruining a family. Yes, he is the one with the vows, but YOU are the one who can walk away.

AnneOfClevesBulletDodgerPro · 27/10/2017 20:13

Just from another perspective - my mother had an affair with a friends dad when I was 14. I lost my friend which was very upsetting for me and I still feel uncomfortable when I see her or her parents (who stayed together btw) I’m 34 years old and it’s still awkward

SilverySurfer · 27/10/2017 20:20

I really don't know how much lower a person can go than knowingly fucking a friend's husband. You need to dredge up some self respect from the depths and stop before all hell rains down on you when your friend discovers what you have done.

Many years ago I fell in love with a man who assured me he was divorced, some time later discovered he still very much had a wife and children. It nearly destroyed me but I instantly blocked all contact and never spoke to him again. I still feel guilt to this day. How you look your friend in the face is beyond me.

Your behaviour is inexcusable and despicable.

Zubrowka · 27/10/2017 20:24

SchnitzelVonKrumm

Yep! I've spent this year living a soap operaGrin

I'm about to move back in to my beloved house though. He's moving out and I've got a lodger. All's well that ends well right?! Also I'm seeing a rather handsome young(ish) man. Nothing serious but....Wink

I should probably update the thread actually. I got such a lot of kind words and i would like to give others in my situation hope that things do get better. Slowly, and I'm not completely there yet but I'm better off without the pair of themSmile

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