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I'm the other woman, not proud of it, confused - anyone been in this situation?

355 replies

MrsMiss · 26/10/2017 21:47

I realise this is going to prompt an onslaught of criticism, fair enough. I just wondered there are people who could help me as I can't talk in real life.

I'm not excusing my behaviour but context: I had previously only had two relationships - my 'first love' at college, and my husband of 11 years. We have 4 dc. Our relationship was on the surface fine in the early days, but as we had children, and I know people will think 'how could you not know' - his behaviours became more and more difficult to live with, and we embarked on marriage counselling, and eventually dh was diagnosed with Asperger's. We both tried to deal with this as best we could, but after a further year and a half of counselling and best efforts, we both mutually agreed to separate.

I was diagnosed with clinical depression, and felt like my life was not worth living. Single parent, in 40s, part-time work, scraping money together, dealing with loss and disappointment of marriage and the impact of living with emotionally unavailable man who always seemed so harsh/manipulative but also vulnerable, making it hard for me to see the wood for the trees.

I became close friends with a couple, our kids get on well, and we spent time together over the next year or so. Fast forward to a party earlier this year, the man in this couple gets v. drunk and makes a pass at me. I think I'm being really careful to avoid hurting his feelings, and my good friend his wife, and stop things in their tracks. However, I wasn't prepared for how it made me feel. To him it was probably just a drunken fumble. To me, it was highly significant - one of the few times in my life that someone has shown me such attention. He contacted me afterwards and we 'talked', discussing the fact that neither of us 'did this kind of thing' and that it was no big deal, a mistake, hadn't gone too far, no harm done. But then over a period of weeks and months our friendship has gradually developed. To begin with it seemed he was stuck in an unhappy relationship and spending a very brief time talking to me helped him, and me, to feel less lonely. However, now I feel like it is me who has fallen deeply in love with this person, and he is either (a) regretting his actions and looking for a 'safe' exit strategy, (b) in denial and scared about the strength of his initial feelings, worried about everyone else's reaction if it was discovered etc or (c) just chaotically enjoying the rare moments we do get to spend time together, but feeling guilty otherwise. I've obviously tried to talk about it but it never really goes anywhere. He knew before we got together that I was depressed. He knows I find it tough being on my own with the kids, but I genuinely believe he thinks I can help him and he can help me. I swing between being horrified at myself for putting myself in this situation - I know how low my behaviour is, I know what is at stake, I know I can't have much self-respect if I let him basically take what he wants when he wants. But, I do feel so much better for having a connection with someone for the first time in my adult life. I obviously thought I had it with my stb ex dh but was bewildered by his condition, hoodwinked by his manipulation and brought down by the endless negativity and anxiety that our relationship brought to bear on me. Part of me thinks 'why shouldn't I?' but then I remember that I'm not even happy as everything is on his terms. I think I know what people are going to say, and honestly I will read your comments and will think carefully. I know it will be too painful for some people to try to imagine from my perspective, but if anyone has experiences to share that might help me, I would be grateful. Thank you.

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FinallyDecidedOnUserName · 28/10/2017 10:30

Oh gosh. Your life as you know it is going to implode in a nuclear mess. You will be vilified, he will be vilified but nowhere near as much as you - the wife will feel the worst betrayal ever. You will lose any other friends you have locally. Your kids and theirs will be horribly affected by public knowledge of your affair. You'll be stared at in the street.

In short. This will ruin your life as you know it.

He is using you for sex. He doesnt respect you.

Stop stealing this woman's husband and get some self respect ffs.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 28/10/2017 10:31

Did it not occur to you to tell your friend that he was pursuing you, assuming you’d initially made clear you weren’t interested? Didn’t you think she had has a right to know that her husband was making fundamental changes to their relationship without bothering to tell her? Why was your loyalty to him not her?

ConstantStruggler · 28/10/2017 10:33

^ this
Schnitzel, your post is spot on.

RainyApril · 28/10/2017 10:35

Anyone with an ounce of self respect would have told his wife, or at least told him to fuck off in terms so clear and resounding that he'd never try it on again. Instead, op chose to feign resistance while giving him just enough encouragement to make sure he didn't give up. He's a shit and so is op. His poor bloody wife.

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 10:38

My loyalty was to her not him. I realised I was vulnerable, thought I was over-reacting, said to him at the time forget it move on, it never happened because I thought why would I risk her throwing away her relationship for something so trivial?

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revengeongc · 28/10/2017 10:38

"- I am saying I started out thinking entirely of my friend. Entirely. Yes the situation changed gradually over time but that is life. I am not passive..."

Hahahahahahahahahaha

Oh, OP, you are comedy gold. Pathetic.

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 10:38

I didn't feign anything.

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TSSDNCOP · 28/10/2017 10:39

Oh god it's like reading about a car crash. You want to read this thread with your hands over your eyes. Ffs stop it and hope likecfuck his wife never finds out.

revengeongc · 28/10/2017 10:39

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MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 10:39

I'm glad you find it so amusing.

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SchnitzelVonKrumm · 28/10/2017 10:40

So at what point did you throw towel in and start sleeping with him?

revengeongc · 28/10/2017 10:41

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codswallopandbalderdash · 28/10/2017 10:42

Firstly NRFT. Secondly just walk away. NC with this man or I'm afraid his family / get used to it being your FORMER best friend.

Don't tell his wife. There is nothing to be gained by this other than even more trouble for everyone. BUT you cannot see him any more, not even in the company of others

Spend your time and energy on you and making yourself content (if not entirely happy).

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 10:44

Why ask me questions? I don't understand this at all - you ask me stuff then laugh at me? I don't need this. You don't understand. Why should you? I wouldn't have done this time last year but I would not have shunned people in the playground, stared at people in the street or stopped being friends with someone... I recognise there are three sides to every story and this thread has made me see more than ever that nobody else can help me. No drama. Just fact. I am on my own.

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MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 10:45

I hope the thread gets deleted. I really do.

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revengeongc · 28/10/2017 10:48

You really are on your own, OP. And will be, forever.

revengeongc · 28/10/2017 10:49

Let's see you ask for it to be deleted, then. But then, what would you do without all the drama?

upperlimit · 28/10/2017 10:50

I think you are beyond help, op. You seem to be able to sit all this shitty behaviour, the guilt you feel about it, the idea that you are a good person and friend, a victim of your own feelings and a good mother despite jeapordising your children's friends and school life - all together without much sense of irony or at the very least, self reflection.

Best of luck with your plan but without a change in how you view yourself, more effort to examine your behaviour without reverting back to a poor me mentality, I think you are going to keep bringing grief into your own life.

NickNaughty · 28/10/2017 10:50

I am on my own.
You alone can end this and make sure it stays ended - that's true.
But that doesn't mean you have to do it alone. Even if you don't tell anyone, you have people around to be with. You have friends. Your kids to stay strong for.
You might need to rebuild a sense of being a good person (or stop feeling like a bad one). Can you start here - do something good for someone every day. Because the problem is that when you feel like a bad person (as so many on this thread are trying to do to you) there's no point in changing, you might as well act shittily. In fact that's one of the great irony of threads like this - this shaming is exactly the kind of thing that makes people carry on with behaviour they feel bad about.

revengeongc · 28/10/2017 10:50

I notice in your first post you say "To him it was probably just a drunken fumble." So I'm guessing you responded the first time?

Hahahahahahaha.

abbeycafe · 28/10/2017 10:51

How can you do this to your friend. Do you realise what heartbreak and dispair you will cause her. This happened to me and it nearly brought me to a total breakdown. People with any respect would not and could not do a thing like this to any one. You are in this position because you deserve to be alone, get yourself out of their lives and get a life of your own, be it what it may. But don't be a low life again and break a family up. No woman deserves a 'friend bitch' in their life like you.

revengeongc · 28/10/2017 10:52

My final post on this shitty thread.

The words of a psychiatrist "Anyone who is capable of living this kind of double life for more than a few days is deeply, deeply disordered."

NickNaughty · 28/10/2017 10:53

What psychiatrist is that, revenge?

revengeongc · 28/10/2017 10:56

NickNaughty, the one I saw when I had the mental breakdown brought about by the exact situation the OP described. I was the unknowing wife.

You have no idea if you've not been through it. You're responding to the OP as if she's a normal human being. She's not.

Icequeen01 · 28/10/2017 11:02

Your post upset me Op as it reminded me of how my dad managed to wreck three people's lives by having an affair with a woman who was part of a couple who were best friend's with my parents.

I had just got married the year before (aged 23) and suddenly received a call from my dad to say that he was leaving my mum after 25 years for this other woman. We were all blindsided - we were a really close family and my dad was the last person I, and everyone else, would ever have thought could do something like that. My parents lived about 60 miles a way and I spent the next two years trying to keep my mum going. She attempted suicide once but luckily a neighbour found her.

I never spoke to my dad again apart from once when I accidentally bumped into him a few years later in a car park when my DS was a baby. He cried and I hated him even more. He was full of self pity, how he had never seen his grandson, missed me etc. The next time I 'saw' him was last year at his funeral. I only went to support my sister who had reconciled with him a few years earlier. He had married and divorced the woman he left my mother for and had then gone on to marry someone else who was younger than his own children. He apparently told a close friend years later that he regretted leaving my mum which just made me even more angry.

I never stopped hating him for what he did to our family. There is no way I wanted him around my DS. He and the other woman broke my mum's heart so badly that now 35 years later she is still on her own and has never ever considered having a relationship with another man.

The fact that my dad and this woman were going behind my mum's back and would sit at family occasions and blatantly lie to us all still makes me sick to my stomach.

Please, please just walk away before this all implodes and you wreck so many people's lives.

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