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I'm the other woman, not proud of it, confused - anyone been in this situation?

355 replies

MrsMiss · 26/10/2017 21:47

I realise this is going to prompt an onslaught of criticism, fair enough. I just wondered there are people who could help me as I can't talk in real life.

I'm not excusing my behaviour but context: I had previously only had two relationships - my 'first love' at college, and my husband of 11 years. We have 4 dc. Our relationship was on the surface fine in the early days, but as we had children, and I know people will think 'how could you not know' - his behaviours became more and more difficult to live with, and we embarked on marriage counselling, and eventually dh was diagnosed with Asperger's. We both tried to deal with this as best we could, but after a further year and a half of counselling and best efforts, we both mutually agreed to separate.

I was diagnosed with clinical depression, and felt like my life was not worth living. Single parent, in 40s, part-time work, scraping money together, dealing with loss and disappointment of marriage and the impact of living with emotionally unavailable man who always seemed so harsh/manipulative but also vulnerable, making it hard for me to see the wood for the trees.

I became close friends with a couple, our kids get on well, and we spent time together over the next year or so. Fast forward to a party earlier this year, the man in this couple gets v. drunk and makes a pass at me. I think I'm being really careful to avoid hurting his feelings, and my good friend his wife, and stop things in their tracks. However, I wasn't prepared for how it made me feel. To him it was probably just a drunken fumble. To me, it was highly significant - one of the few times in my life that someone has shown me such attention. He contacted me afterwards and we 'talked', discussing the fact that neither of us 'did this kind of thing' and that it was no big deal, a mistake, hadn't gone too far, no harm done. But then over a period of weeks and months our friendship has gradually developed. To begin with it seemed he was stuck in an unhappy relationship and spending a very brief time talking to me helped him, and me, to feel less lonely. However, now I feel like it is me who has fallen deeply in love with this person, and he is either (a) regretting his actions and looking for a 'safe' exit strategy, (b) in denial and scared about the strength of his initial feelings, worried about everyone else's reaction if it was discovered etc or (c) just chaotically enjoying the rare moments we do get to spend time together, but feeling guilty otherwise. I've obviously tried to talk about it but it never really goes anywhere. He knew before we got together that I was depressed. He knows I find it tough being on my own with the kids, but I genuinely believe he thinks I can help him and he can help me. I swing between being horrified at myself for putting myself in this situation - I know how low my behaviour is, I know what is at stake, I know I can't have much self-respect if I let him basically take what he wants when he wants. But, I do feel so much better for having a connection with someone for the first time in my adult life. I obviously thought I had it with my stb ex dh but was bewildered by his condition, hoodwinked by his manipulation and brought down by the endless negativity and anxiety that our relationship brought to bear on me. Part of me thinks 'why shouldn't I?' but then I remember that I'm not even happy as everything is on his terms. I think I know what people are going to say, and honestly I will read your comments and will think carefully. I know it will be too painful for some people to try to imagine from my perspective, but if anyone has experiences to share that might help me, I would be grateful. Thank you.

OP posts:
TheStoic · 29/10/2017 05:12

In my experience, the men who most loudly tut-tut about other people’s affairs are the same men most likely to be shagging around. It’s actually quite uncanny.

sofato5miles · 29/10/2017 08:25

The Stoic, I have noticed that too, but from women also.

MrsMiss · 29/10/2017 08:41

I really really am sorry that by posting this thread it has re-opened wounds for victims of affairs and I'm sorry how I've come across. I haven't been on MN for some time and misjudged my post. I wasn't wanting to share experiences of affairs in a gratuitous way because I can't talk about it in real life. I was hoping that people who had been OW could talk to me about the difficulty of leaving.

I have left him. The day I posted the thread was the day I decided, and throughout trying to answer questions I was fighting an inner fight. Yesterday I texted him and said I had seen sense, it is over, no contact, he focuses on his family, me on mine. He accepts it, but feels darkly depressed about his situation. What I realise from my situation is that when I was unhappy with my dh we worked at it, had counselling, tried different ways, talked... then called it a day for the sake of our children, I did not want them to grow up seeing a lack of emotion/intimacy etc in their parents' relationship. I realise that men rarely, I'm sure there are some, but rarely walk out on relationships unless they are 'dismissed' - society expectations, feet of being perceived a failure? Who knows. The mm in question I believe falls into this category and although I feel desperate for him I realise I can't fix him, he must work on his own relationship and make his own decisions, and by being complicit in this lie I am facilitating him to 'have his cake and eat it'

My friend. I know it will sound hollow but I do feel tremendous guilt. I know that by being friends with the couple I was party to information that really as an outsider I should not have known. She is not happy. She is staying 'for the children'. That in no way gives me a green light, that does not validate it. She admits she treats him harshly, and I really think in time she will leave him which ultimately will be good for her. I don't walk away from her friendship because that would also hurt her although now, I will distance myself because I see that is what I need to do.

When this first happened, the very first drunken night, I was beside myself. I literally went to pieces feeling that I had let my friend down, somehow let her husband down but I was weak, I made a mistake. I compounded the mistake by thinking that two people could help each other in their misery 'as long as no one got hurt'. He told me he wouldn't leave his wife and I accepted this, and although I avoided his wife at first, I felt it was some kind of duty to maintain our friendship to avoid hurting her if this came out. I realise the logic is screwed. I realise it sounds like I'm justifying.

Yesterday I went to the Baggage Reclaim website, read all about unavailable men and how they 'seek out' people like me, but how equally people like me are drawn to them. I downloaded the ebooks, started the 100 day baggage reclaim project and didn't text him. I've read all about no contact, I know I'll have to see him but have briefed him that we maintain superficial friendliness for appearances but obviously nothing more. I know he wants this too, but expect him to relapse when he's had a huge row with his wife and feels like an ego boost. I won't be complicit in this. I am resolute. I genuinely feel the weight of the criticisms, the anger and my own guilt. I am not needing drama at all, I am in a dark place and wanted to talk to people who understand that because it is hard to do what I know I have to do. I'm sorry I've been defensive, and in being so I've upset so many people on here. I will not post again because I am not 'feeding' off this. I need to focus on me, not because I'm a sociopath or narcissist but because I've got four beautiful children who need me to be strong, and when I'm already in a place of despair and finding the no contact thing hard, repeatedly reading these posts is definitely doing more harm than good. Thank you for understanding, and I am so sorry for the pain caused to anybody on here. That was never my intention. Flowers

OP posts:
NickNaughty · 29/10/2017 08:48

Well done, OP.
Sometimes you have to feel real pain to change things. So, all the pain you're feeling and will continue to feel - use it to motivate you to never go back. One day at a time. Good luck Flowers

jeaux90 · 29/10/2017 08:51

Mrs put the situation to one side, my earlier post talked about focussing on you and maybe some counselling if you don't feel able to talk to a friend about what has happened.

These situations are really hard and sometimes it's very difficult to be emotionally present for your kids when you are feeling so down.

Please take care of yourself, I'm glad you found the strength to call it a day. It's the right answer.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 29/10/2017 08:56

Coyote, you really are naïve, sorry.

Agree with Stoic on this. Have you not seen the myriad threads from women posting, "My husband would NEVER do this"... and then they find out that he has done just that?

Platitudes are not helpful, not are people telling you what you want to hear.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 29/10/2017 08:59

MrsMiss, all credit to you. I know how difficult it is to do what you are doing now.

I apologise to you because I had you pegged wrongly and I'm really pleased for you that you're getting out of this morass and setting yourself free. Good for you. My first ever Glitterball. Best wishes to you.

lottieandmia22 · 29/10/2017 09:02

Even if he left his wife and got together with you and you married him, he would be quite likely to then cheat on you. People tend to repeat patterns of behaviour over and over sadly.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 29/10/2017 09:04

That is a gracious post OP and I’m glad you are ending the affair. I hope you find a happier place soon.

FinallyHere · 29/10/2017 09:05

Well done MrsMiss, you are writing now with a clarity that does you credit. All the very best.

revengeongc · 29/10/2017 09:32

"My friend. I know it will sound hollow but I do feel tremendous guilt". Sure you do.

"I know I'll have to see him but have briefed him that we maintain superficial friendliness for appearances but obviously nothing more." Sure you will. If you really had any feeling for your friend at all, you'd distance yourself entirely.

"I was weak, I made a mistake." Cheater's script 101.

"because I've got four beautiful children who need me to be strong" Shame you weren't thinking of how much this is going to hurt them when it all comes out - and it will.

Ugh. Just ugh.

Whinesalot · 29/10/2017 09:46

Well done op. Just focus on a bright future with an available guy who will make you the centre of his world. It will be hard to get there but you can do it. Seek help from the doctor or counseling.

You last post is so very different in tone to your others. You have owned it at last and by owning it you know that you can't continue. Keep strong.

RainyApril · 29/10/2017 09:55

Well done op. Better late than never, as they say. It sounds like you've got a plan and I sincerely hope it works out for you.

revengeongc · 29/10/2017 09:55

"You last post is so very different in tone to your others." Yes, because she's worked out what to type that will mean she gets lots of sympathy, flowers and ego-boosts.

Fuck this. I told myself not to come back to this thread.

OP, I see straight through you.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 29/10/2017 10:01

Why would OP even bother to type out a long post that a) means that she can't talk about the affair anymore and b) need approbation from women she doesn't know? The thread is done now.

I think your judgement is clouded revenge and the worst of it is this thread is hurting you.

Whinesalot · 29/10/2017 10:01

Well the end result is what we've all been hoping for. Surely that is great? Ok we won't know if she genuinely does finish it but I prefer to take it at face value and hope that mumsnet has helped prevent a car crash type situation.

jeaux90 · 29/10/2017 10:02

Give it a rest revenge.

TheStoic · 29/10/2017 10:14

This is a chapter in your life, OP. That’s it. Not the whole story. You’ll look back and be mortified you did this, but you’ll be a different person then. One day at a time.

justabout2016 · 29/10/2017 10:19

@revengeongc

People make mistakes and come back from them. All the time. A mistake doesn’t make you a bad person for the rest of your life.

OP made a mistake - a bad one. No one has said otherwise. But no matter what she says you will strive to bring her down. Even if she says the right thing, it must be an act?

I think she’s moving in the right direction. She’s not the ow in your situation and I am really sorry this happened to you.

I agree that this isn’t the right place for you. I really hope you begin to heal.

revengeongc · 29/10/2017 11:06

"OP made a mistake - a bad one". No, she made a choice. Again and again and again.

I'm sorry if what I'm saying is uncomfortable for some of you to read. I repeat, until you have been in this situation, you have no idea.

Perhaps this is helping me heal, you know. Because every time the OP posts, I can see what an empty shell of a person she is.

revengeongc · 29/10/2017 11:10

And jeaux90 and justabout, this is a public forum. I'll post on whatever thread I like, thanks.

justabout2016 · 29/10/2017 11:20

Thing is, @revengeongc , many of us HAVE been in this situation.

justabout2016 · 29/10/2017 11:22

I also think you’re misinterpreting. We are not uncomfortable with what you say - just disagree perhaps with you. And feel for you! As I said, many of us have been in this situation.

Of course you must post where you like.

jeaux90 · 29/10/2017 11:25

I've been cheated on revenge but I have more of a balanced view I guess. I don't think you are helping yourself

Orlandointhewilderness · 29/10/2017 11:30

What do you want people to say!?! That is is okay because you feel guilty?! Well it isn't.

The untold hurt and devastation this will cause when it comes out (and it WILL come out, it always does) to your children, your friend and her family is not worth a grubby little affair and sex.

You are complicit in destroying their family and hurting your children and you are doing it with your eyes wide open. Just because he pays you attention. But then, you feel guilty and you 'own it' so it's okay isn't it. Bullshit.

You selfish person.

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