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AIBU to not want to pay towards SIL's wedding?

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MyOtherNameIsAFordFiesta · 26/10/2017 16:27

DH has 4 siblings. They consider themselves to be super close, do loads of things together, and tell each other all the minutiae of their lives.

Growing up, the family were quite wealthy. FIL had a good job, and they basically got everything they wanted.

FIL's parents died around 15 years ago, and he inherited their house, which he sold for £100k. It was decided that this money would be split between the siblings, to give them as a deposit for a house, or towards a wedding, whichever they wanted.

SIL1 got married about 9 years ago. She was given her 20k as a house deposit, but then PIL also paid for her big, fancy wedding, which DH reckons was around another 20k.

Shortly after this, FIL had to leave work due to an injury. He was out of work for some time, before eventually finding a new job, which was just above minimum wage. During this time, he and MIL continued to spend as much as they always had done.

Next, BIL announced he was buying a flat. No money was forthcoming for the deposit; PIL gave him a voucher for about £100 and that was it.

Then DH and I got married; again, no money. Fine, we didn't expect anything, but I did think DH should have asked what was happening with the money.

Next, FIL started to ask to borrow money. Long story short, it turned out that he wouldn't tell MIL that money was tight, so she was still spending wildly, all savings were gone, and there was no money left.

Now SIL2 has announced she's getting married. She's younger than DH by about 10 years, and has always been very much the baby of the family. She has never had a job (she's waiting for "the right thing" to come along, apparently), and has a small amount of savings. Her wedding plans are fairly grand, but obviously she can't afford them.

SIL1 has sat the other siblings down and said that she thinks they should all chip in "a couple of grand" so she can have her dream wedding. She pointed out that PIL have worked hard and will be embarrassed if SIL has a small wedding; she also said "they've done so much for us over the years, we should pay something back". Bear in mind that this SIL is the one who got a flat deposit and a large wedding paid for; the rest of us haven't had that.

DH doesn't want to, but when she says things like "family have to stick together", "we're a close family; we help each other out if we can", "are any of us really going to enjoy the wedding if we know [SIL] wanted more?" etc, I can see him feeling guilty.

We are currently saving for a house deposit, so we do have a bank account with enough money in it, but I just think it would be absolutely ridiculous to hand it over.

If PILs had attempted to rein in their spending and save up once FIL lost his job, or if SIL2 had got herself a job, and if it was a smaller amount of money, I'd be happy enough. But I'm currently thinking no way. DH is wavering though, and SIL1 is really putting pressure on. BIL is pretty well off and would hand it over happily. Other SIL is thinking more like DH, but is also feeling the pressure.

Should I stick to my guns? Suggest we give a smaller amount (but then DH will feel stingy)? Tell SIL1 to stop asking about it (although this will cause a big row and DH will be upset)? Or stay out of it (but risk DH committing us to the full amount)?

OP posts:
Tiredmum100 · 26/10/2017 18:03

It would have to be a bit fat no. If mm sister was getting married I'd offer to make her cake or something like that but no to a couple of grand!! It's about the marriage not the wedding!

mrsm43s · 26/10/2017 18:04

DH and I had a fairly small wedding. My parents bought my dress and the bridesmaids dresses, and paid for the men's suit hire.

So you think it's reasonable for the bride's family to contribute towards weddings? Well you did when you were the recipient anyway!

In which case, I think a contribution would be reasonable - maybe £500 or so - enough to pay for the dress, or the bm's dresses etc. It doesn't sound like you're in a position to contribute £thousands, and I don't think you should be expected to, but a little helping hand doesn't seem unreasonable given the circumstances.

Honestly, I think SIL1 is trying to do a nice thing and say that the siblings should club together to pay what FIL would have paid, if he was able to. This is about saving face for FIL more than anything else, I'm sure. He probably feels that he has an obligation to pay for his DDs wedding which he can't meet and SIL is suggesting that the sibs step in in his place. Not an unreasonable thing to do under the circumstances. (IMO more unreasonable is the dated concept that it is the bride's family who picks up the tab, but we can't really blame FIL or SIL1 for long standing social convention!)

magoria · 26/10/2017 18:05

Once you have handed your savings over for the wedding it will not be fair if you don't hand over the rest for her to build up a deposit like SIL1 got.

Doesn't matter that you and your DH have worked for it does it?

Say no now otherwise that will be the next request.

RaeCJ82 · 26/10/2017 18:09

I have to say that if I applied this situation to my family, my brother would not accept money from me for a wedding, knowing that I was saving for a deposit.

ReginaBlitzkreig · 26/10/2017 18:10

Don't lend FIL money to give to SIL2 for the wedding though-you might not get it back!

I really don't understand getting into debt just to keep up appearances. It is madness.

PNGirl · 26/10/2017 18:13

Er, what? The bride's "family" contribution doesn't usually include siblings and their wives!

Jux · 26/10/2017 18:13

Next time SIL1 starts on about it, remind her that she got her wedding paid for AND a house deposit, and none of you got that, so perhaps she’d like to contribute, say, 20K and you and SIL2 will chip in for bridesmaids’ favours. Or she could level the playing field as you’re such a close family, by just paying for the wedding herself. Or someone could point out to SIL3 that most people get jobs and save up themselves for their weddings.

The whole thing’s ridiculous. Such a close family that no one can actually be honest with anyone else. Point that out to DIL1 next time she starts on the crap.

Slightlyperturbedowlagain · 26/10/2017 18:13

I think the correct answer is 'LOL, no, we don't even have a house.'

Isetan · 26/10/2017 18:23

This keeping up appearances bullshit is so pointless, do not drink this close —dysfunctional— family’s Kool Aiid.

mrsm43s · 26/10/2017 18:24

Er, what? The bride's "family" contribution doesn't usually include siblings and their wives!

No, not normally. However on this occasion the PILs are unable to make the normal contribution. So SIL1 is suggesting that the siblings step up and pay on their behalf. It's a nice thing for a close family to do.

It's not about siblings doing something for one sibling, or siblings being treated differently, but about the children doing something nice for their parents and covering the contribution that they would have liked to make if circumstance had been different.

It's a shame people can't see it for the kind suggestion that it is.

That said, I will repeat that OP can't really be expected to contribute £thousands for a £20K dream wedding - that's just not realistic. But what's really wrong with £500 for bridesmaids dresses or the cake or the photographer etc? It would be affording SILs with similar help to that which the OP had from her family, and would make the ILs happy. A nice thing to do, and the kind of thing that close families do for each other.

AdalindSchade · 26/10/2017 18:25

mrsm are you ok?
The op's parents contributed to her wedding, which was presumably their choice and within their budget. Why on earth does that mean that this woman's siblings should spend their own hard saved money on her wedding?
Have a word with yourself

AdalindSchade · 26/10/2017 18:26

It's a shame people can't see it for the kind suggestion that it is

Because it's not!
It's not 'kind' to volunteer your siblings to pay £1000s towards someone else's wedding.
Don't forget that the SIL doesn't have a job. If she got a job she could contribute her self, but chooses not to.

HolyShet · 26/10/2017 18:29

So yeah, on the basis that you got some frocks paid for by your family (presumably parents) then paying for the cake or wine (up to a fixed financial limit), given that DH/SIL's parents can't seems reasonable.

As long as you give only what you can afford and can give with good grace and get pleasure from giving.

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pastabakewithcheese · 26/10/2017 18:39

I think nows the time to safeguard your savings in case DH hands the money over without you knowing? Not that I'm accusing him but if he's guilted into it then do what you can on your end. Just so he can't withdraw without someone knowing

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/10/2017 18:43

mrsm43s are you the SIL1?? Wink

Many of us may agree it would be nice for OP/DH to make a small contribution within their means, but it's hard to understand why you'd find it "not unreasonable" for the siblings to pick up the entire bill, especially when it's being demanded rather than left to them - even examples such as parents paying for the bridal party's clothes don't amount to that

I don't know if you're in the UK but I think we can blame the FIL/SIL1 if they try to use a "long standing social convention" which hasn't applied for years; after all, ancient conventions could have forbidden MIL accessing family money without asking FIL first ... which may have prevented it being blown at all

PNGirl · 26/10/2017 18:44

So why the need to say:

"So you think it's reasonable for the bride's family to contribute towards weddings? Well you did when you were the recipient anyway!"

I don't think accepting help from your own parents is at all comparable to forking over cash because your in-laws have blown all their money on cars. Fair enough, put some money behind the bar but beyond that? No.

Santawontbelong · 26/10/2017 18:46

I paid £12 each for bridesmaid dressed and £25 for my wedding dress off eBay!!
I am wondering if this suggestion was also going to be kept a secret from the bride to be and the cash to be given as if it came from ils only?

seven201 · 26/10/2017 18:47

Do not give in to sister in law. If you want to offer to buy something specific then do be clear with a maximum!

Is SIL comfortably off now? Seeing as she has been given £40k and feels sil2 is missing out then she should be the one to stump up!

I think I’d message her (with dh’s agreement)
“Please could you stop bringing up contributing to Sil’s wedding to us. We will discuss it between ourselves and may offer to buy a specific item for it. As you know we paid for the vast majority of our wedding ourselves (and have wonderful memories of the day) and we are saving hard to buy our first home together, so we are feeling pressured by this. We want sil2 to have a wonderful day, but that does not mean it has to be big and expensive.” I wouldn’t mind being the bad guy in this situation.

mrsm43s · 26/10/2017 18:50

mrsm are you ok?
The op's parents contributed to her wedding, which was presumably their choice and within their budget. Why on earth does that mean that this woman's siblings should spend their own hard saved money on her wedding?

They don't have to do anything.

Just that since they had help with their wedding, that as a close family, it would be a nice and kind thing to do to pass some of the help on to a sibling who is otherwise not going to get any help with their wedding.

That's all.

One doesn't have to have an obligation in order to do a nice thing. And the best way of showing gratitude for help that you have been given is to make an effort to help others as you can. What goes around comes around.

I think SIL1 has suggested (not ordered) that they do something nice for SIL2. OP is free to decline that suggestion. I just feel that a contribution of a reasonable sum or item would be a nice stance to take under the circumstances. More as a gift/nod to PILs than anything else.

But no, of course, she's not obliged to give a bean, if that's what she thinks is the correct response to the request.

Butterymuffin · 26/10/2017 18:51

Some good suggested replies here. I'd also be a bit worried about your DH lending FIL money. Be very careful about that becoming bigger amounts.

mrsm43s · 26/10/2017 18:53

Sorry, and I'd like to make it clear I've always stated that it's absolutely unreasonable for them to fork out many thousands to cover the cost of a £20K dream wedding. What I think is reasonable is a significant, but reasonable donation - I'd think in the £500-£1k region.

And no I'm not SIL1! But as a member of a close family who helps each other out, I think I just have a slightly different perspective.

Butterymuffin · 26/10/2017 18:54

Has no one yet suggested that SIL2's fiance, who is presumably the sole breadwinner and is presumably doing OK since they can afford for her not to work, could chip in himself or ask his family to?

PNGirl · 26/10/2017 18:56

But the help with the OP's wedding didn't come from this family! It came from a completely separate set of parents. How is this showing gratitude?

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