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AIBU to not want to pay towards SIL's wedding?

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MyOtherNameIsAFordFiesta · 26/10/2017 16:27

DH has 4 siblings. They consider themselves to be super close, do loads of things together, and tell each other all the minutiae of their lives.

Growing up, the family were quite wealthy. FIL had a good job, and they basically got everything they wanted.

FIL's parents died around 15 years ago, and he inherited their house, which he sold for £100k. It was decided that this money would be split between the siblings, to give them as a deposit for a house, or towards a wedding, whichever they wanted.

SIL1 got married about 9 years ago. She was given her 20k as a house deposit, but then PIL also paid for her big, fancy wedding, which DH reckons was around another 20k.

Shortly after this, FIL had to leave work due to an injury. He was out of work for some time, before eventually finding a new job, which was just above minimum wage. During this time, he and MIL continued to spend as much as they always had done.

Next, BIL announced he was buying a flat. No money was forthcoming for the deposit; PIL gave him a voucher for about £100 and that was it.

Then DH and I got married; again, no money. Fine, we didn't expect anything, but I did think DH should have asked what was happening with the money.

Next, FIL started to ask to borrow money. Long story short, it turned out that he wouldn't tell MIL that money was tight, so she was still spending wildly, all savings were gone, and there was no money left.

Now SIL2 has announced she's getting married. She's younger than DH by about 10 years, and has always been very much the baby of the family. She has never had a job (she's waiting for "the right thing" to come along, apparently), and has a small amount of savings. Her wedding plans are fairly grand, but obviously she can't afford them.

SIL1 has sat the other siblings down and said that she thinks they should all chip in "a couple of grand" so she can have her dream wedding. She pointed out that PIL have worked hard and will be embarrassed if SIL has a small wedding; she also said "they've done so much for us over the years, we should pay something back". Bear in mind that this SIL is the one who got a flat deposit and a large wedding paid for; the rest of us haven't had that.

DH doesn't want to, but when she says things like "family have to stick together", "we're a close family; we help each other out if we can", "are any of us really going to enjoy the wedding if we know [SIL] wanted more?" etc, I can see him feeling guilty.

We are currently saving for a house deposit, so we do have a bank account with enough money in it, but I just think it would be absolutely ridiculous to hand it over.

If PILs had attempted to rein in their spending and save up once FIL lost his job, or if SIL2 had got herself a job, and if it was a smaller amount of money, I'd be happy enough. But I'm currently thinking no way. DH is wavering though, and SIL1 is really putting pressure on. BIL is pretty well off and would hand it over happily. Other SIL is thinking more like DH, but is also feeling the pressure.

Should I stick to my guns? Suggest we give a smaller amount (but then DH will feel stingy)? Tell SIL1 to stop asking about it (although this will cause a big row and DH will be upset)? Or stay out of it (but risk DH committing us to the full amount)?

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MagdalenLaundry · 26/10/2017 18:59

mrsm43s
Do you think the siblings should contribute to each others house deposits?
If not why is a wedding more important. It's time the PIL stopped trying to show off that they have money and this is a perfect time to start

MistressDeeCee · 26/10/2017 19:00

It's your DH that has to grow a spine and sort this out, not you. It will never be down to only just you and you will simply frustrate yourself by aiming to steer how things go

GreenTulips · 26/10/2017 19:05

But as a member of a close family who helps each other out, I think I just have a slightly different perspective.

So OP and DH have worked hard to pay for their wedding and now a deposit for their home, yet SIL has never worked needs 'help'

What 'help' is SIL likely to offer in return?

Popchyk · 26/10/2017 19:11

This is easy.

SIL1 has had 40K from her parents for wedding and deposit. The other children got nothing.

So:

SIL1 hands over 10K to her older brother
SIL1 hands over 10K to her younger brother
SIL1 hands over 10K to her younger sister

Lovely. Everybody gets 10K of what was originally their parents' money. All done and fair in 'such a close family'.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/10/2017 19:12

I've always stated that it's absolutely unreasonable for them to fork out many thousands to cover the cost of a £20K dream wedding

And yet that's exactly what they've been told is expected - not forgetting the emotional blackmail and the "big row" OP has said will result if they refuse which, at least to me, makes it sound like a demand

Can I ask how you view the bride's apparent unwillingness to work/contribute and how you feel that impacts the issue?

FrancisCrawford · 26/10/2017 19:13

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2014newme · 26/10/2017 19:15

Would not contribute anything. It's insane unless she contributes to your wedding.
Is this her 2nd marriage?
Just say No. Be zammo.

Orangealien · 26/10/2017 19:17

I'd tell SIL straight that it is not appropriate to give part of your house deposit fund away. Is she aware that you paid for your own wedding?

Wtf is the matter with her.

Popchyk · 26/10/2017 19:18

Or your DH could tell SIL1: "I've given it a lot of thought. I am happy to match the contributions that my parents and siblings made towards my own wedding. That would be fair".

MyOtherNameIsAFordFiesta · 26/10/2017 19:24

@mrsm43s If PILs had been at least trying to save a bit for the wedding then I think I'd be more inclined to help them "save face" by giving a bit towards the wedding, but they haven't. FIL has been back in work, albeit low paid, for about 5/6 years. They haven't managed to save a penny in that time, but they've had a couple of big holidays, a brand new car each, and MIL spends several thousand pounds on Christmas each year.

Likewise, SIL is holding out for her "dream" job. She hasn't yet accepted that she might need to take something else for a while first. If she was working her ass off, then again I'd have more sympathy.

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wineandworkout · 26/10/2017 19:25

YANBU. I would have laughed her out of the room before she finished her sentence. Entitled idiot.

MyOtherNameIsAFordFiesta · 26/10/2017 19:27

Incidentally, the biggest guilt trip seems to be "But we're such a close family, we can't really be happy on her wedding day if we know she's not totally happy!". Next time it comes up, I'm tempted to point out that I'm perfectly capable of being happy whatever everyone else thinks.

But in this family, you're not allowed to admit that you can be happy if someone else isn't.

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eddielizzard · 26/10/2017 19:29

what Popchyk said

Ausparent · 26/10/2017 19:30

Definitely not.
SIL can do what she likes but she has no right to give away your money for you.

I would point out that it is the marriage which is important and not the wedding. 20k they dont have on shit to impress people. FFS. If she needed life saving surgery or was in dire need that would be different but this is for a bloody party.

My parents had 2 guests at their wedding and lunch at a pub and were married for 40 years until dad died.

I have one of those people in my family who gets an idea into their head and then try and railroad everyone else into it. She will no doubt take credit at the end and trust me I am sure it won't end at the 2k. There will be suits and gifts and a mountain of last minute crap she will slap on you and because you opted to participate you will feel trapped into it.

What you give to the SIL who is getting married is between you and her and no ist else's business.

Rant over. Sorry this one got me really cross!

HolyShet · 26/10/2017 19:32

You can't say any of that stuff you said in your update to them though.

Stick to your own little family's internal economics. Saying that you can't afford it because you are saving up to buy a home underlines it nicely to SIL without being critical. Also DH needs walk the walk and not blame you for not coming through with the cash.

NikiBabe · 26/10/2017 19:34

I wouldn't go via DH.

I would tell sil1 direct that her younger sister is welcome to get a job and pay herself like you had to and you are not spending your deposit money on her wedding.

HolyShet · 26/10/2017 19:34

"But we're such a close family, we can't really be happy on her wedding day if we know she's not totally happy!".

"yes and babySIL can't really be happy on her wedding day knowing her DB and nieces and nephews will have to live in rental accommodation for another 3 years so she could have unicorns and doves and Adele singing etc"

AndInShortIWasAfraid · 26/10/2017 19:35

wineandworkout this times a hundred!

The only person I would ever contemplate helping with wedding costs would be my own child. I don't care how close I may be to a family member, it's not my responsibility.

QuackDuckQuack · 26/10/2017 19:39

If you want to offer to buy something specific then do be clear with a maximum!

Definitely this. Otherwise she might choose a £1000 cake or £2000 of flowers and you’ll end up in a horrible argument.

Icanhearmynebioursshouting · 26/10/2017 19:40

Hahah this is actually funny...would I hell! I love my siblings the world but I would never ever ever go to work, work hard, save money and then hand it all over! are they mad? They sound very entitled and I would tell my do that he will feel even more stingy when he hasn't got any money for a house. I'm actually really baffled by all this haha

FrancisCrawford · 26/10/2017 19:41

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ItsNachoCheese · 26/10/2017 19:48

Sil is being a big cheeky fucker

Lunde · 26/10/2017 19:54

mrsm43s I really dont understand why you think that the siblings should cough up for the wedding when OP paid for most of her own wedding apart from clothing. In this case both the PILs and bride could save some money. The PILs are splashing their cash on holidays/new cars and MIL spending until the card is maxed out (and they borrow from OP's family. The SIL bride thinks that working anything but her "dream job" is beneath her so doesn't work at all. It's all about status and appearance isn't it?

No I would not contribute a penny - although I would be happy for them to have the money that I would have spent on a gift upfront towards expenses. Be wary though about offering to pay for something specific such as cake/flowers as they sound the type to runs up bills of £1000s if someone else if paying.

Tentomidnight · 26/10/2017 19:56

Just a thought - does SIL1 know that she was the only sibling to get a £40k handout?

FucksakeCuntingFuckingTwats · 26/10/2017 20:00

Next time it comes up say

"Well SIL1 how happy do you feel knowing we aren't happy in our house and would be happier in one that's 20K more but we didn't get any help like you. Any chance you can all chip in for the deposit, oh and bils and sil3 cause, we are family and all help each other out. Or if you feel guilty you could always take 40K equity out your house that you got for the house and wedding and no one else did and divvy it up between all five siblings then it's totally fair. ....no didn't think so. We are saving for our own deposit and that's our priority, so we will be gifting what we feel is right and since we are such a close family I'm sure you will understand."

And I genuinely would say that! Fuck being a walk over and treated like a mug!

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