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AIBU to not want to pay towards SIL's wedding?

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MyOtherNameIsAFordFiesta · 26/10/2017 16:27

DH has 4 siblings. They consider themselves to be super close, do loads of things together, and tell each other all the minutiae of their lives.

Growing up, the family were quite wealthy. FIL had a good job, and they basically got everything they wanted.

FIL's parents died around 15 years ago, and he inherited their house, which he sold for £100k. It was decided that this money would be split between the siblings, to give them as a deposit for a house, or towards a wedding, whichever they wanted.

SIL1 got married about 9 years ago. She was given her 20k as a house deposit, but then PIL also paid for her big, fancy wedding, which DH reckons was around another 20k.

Shortly after this, FIL had to leave work due to an injury. He was out of work for some time, before eventually finding a new job, which was just above minimum wage. During this time, he and MIL continued to spend as much as they always had done.

Next, BIL announced he was buying a flat. No money was forthcoming for the deposit; PIL gave him a voucher for about £100 and that was it.

Then DH and I got married; again, no money. Fine, we didn't expect anything, but I did think DH should have asked what was happening with the money.

Next, FIL started to ask to borrow money. Long story short, it turned out that he wouldn't tell MIL that money was tight, so she was still spending wildly, all savings were gone, and there was no money left.

Now SIL2 has announced she's getting married. She's younger than DH by about 10 years, and has always been very much the baby of the family. She has never had a job (she's waiting for "the right thing" to come along, apparently), and has a small amount of savings. Her wedding plans are fairly grand, but obviously she can't afford them.

SIL1 has sat the other siblings down and said that she thinks they should all chip in "a couple of grand" so she can have her dream wedding. She pointed out that PIL have worked hard and will be embarrassed if SIL has a small wedding; she also said "they've done so much for us over the years, we should pay something back". Bear in mind that this SIL is the one who got a flat deposit and a large wedding paid for; the rest of us haven't had that.

DH doesn't want to, but when she says things like "family have to stick together", "we're a close family; we help each other out if we can", "are any of us really going to enjoy the wedding if we know [SIL] wanted more?" etc, I can see him feeling guilty.

We are currently saving for a house deposit, so we do have a bank account with enough money in it, but I just think it would be absolutely ridiculous to hand it over.

If PILs had attempted to rein in their spending and save up once FIL lost his job, or if SIL2 had got herself a job, and if it was a smaller amount of money, I'd be happy enough. But I'm currently thinking no way. DH is wavering though, and SIL1 is really putting pressure on. BIL is pretty well off and would hand it over happily. Other SIL is thinking more like DH, but is also feeling the pressure.

Should I stick to my guns? Suggest we give a smaller amount (but then DH will feel stingy)? Tell SIL1 to stop asking about it (although this will cause a big row and DH will be upset)? Or stay out of it (but risk DH committing us to the full amount)?

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GreenTulips · 30/10/2017 00:20

Your all assuming that are still invited

I'll get my coat

GU24Mum · 30/10/2017 00:41

You've definitely done the right think imo by sending the message.

At what stage is your FIL going to face up to reality ? Is "embarrassment" going to end before or after he is seriously in debt as opposed to working his way through his inheritance which is presumably just about drained down by now.

My OH's family is also strange in a number of ways yet plays the "we're close" card even though that's a million miles away from reality.

HeebieJeebies456 · 30/10/2017 01:15

if you don't want to

the cheeky bitch!
i wonder if this is what she's going to tell bride-to-be?

HeebieJeebies456 · 30/10/2017 01:16

pil are not actually in debt though....they just spend instead of save, which is their right.

glitterlips1 · 30/10/2017 01:24

No. My/our money would be going on a deposit on a place to live for OUR family. SIL would be paying for her OWN wedding.

ContessaBonessa · 30/10/2017 01:29

I certainly don't think you should feel obliged to contribute to your SIL's wedding, but you do seem to have a chip on your shoulder about your DH and his siblings, and their relationship. You say they're prone to a bit of a 'emotional manipulation to try to control each other'. Do you think perhaps you're guilty of a bit of this yourself?

And just to reiterate, an inlaw's wedding finances are their's alone to solve, but you seem to have lot of anger around your DH and his siblings' relationship that seems a bit odd to me.

SleepingStandingUp · 30/10/2017 01:32

Out of interest, what about the groom? He obviously knows his B2B is too special to work and presumably after the wedding will be busy being a wife or baking cakes or making babies or something. Did he propose on the assumption that Daddy will just pay for it?
I know its traditional in some sectors but its bloody cheeky.

I always wonder whatthe financial discussion was with William and Kate.
"Yes of course teenage Kate, we'll pay for your wedding"
"Bloody hell 20's Kate, I didn't mean to a prince! "

TitaniasCloset · 30/10/2017 03:31

This thread is really funny Grin

HappenedForAReisling · 30/10/2017 04:18

O,P am I right in thinking that all 5 grandchildren should have got 20k each but only the oldest did and their parents pissed the other 80k up against the wall?

C0untDucku1a · 30/10/2017 04:38

Happened the sil got £40k.
The rest got spent after the fil’s redundancy.

HappenedForAReisling · 30/10/2017 04:51

So I was right then? The oldest got her share (and then some) and the rest got FA.

RebootYourEngine · 30/10/2017 05:18

You sil is a cheeky so and so. Glad you told her that you werent contributing

Angelf1sh · 30/10/2017 07:31

I haven’t RTFT so this advice may well be too late but I’d follow Zammo (showing my age here) and Just Say No.

I would be wary of offering to buy the flowers too as they can cost thousands anyway. If you want to do anything I’d say offer a fixed sum towards the cake or flowers etc as your wedding present, not offer to buy the whole thing.

GreenTulips · 30/10/2017 07:45

but you do seem to have a chip on your shoulder about your DH and his siblings, and their relationship.

I'm not surprised! The closeness only works against them as a couple and isn't reciprocated.

FIL spent the money and will be embarrassed if the wedding is small due to their previous wealth. He should be happy his daughter is getting married even if it's a mud hut followed by sarnies and tea.

MyOtherNameIsAFordFiesta · 30/10/2017 08:47

@ContessaBonessa Can you explain a bit more why you think I have a chip on my shoulder about the siblings, and what you find odd about it? And how you think I'm being controlling? I do get frustrated with them at times like this, because the "close" thing gets pulled out and used to make DH feel guilty.

But I don't think I'm controlling or unreasonably cross about it... would be interested in your perspective though.

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Ellie56 · 30/10/2017 09:44

Your all assuming that are still invited Grin

Ellie56 · 30/10/2017 09:47

I don't think you're being controlling OP. You're just protecting your assets and your DH! Glad you told SIL where to get off.

AvoidingDM · 30/10/2017 09:48

I don't think your unreasonable about it either.
Close means spending time together not necessarily giving financial help - especially for luxuries. If she'd come asking for a couple of quid because SIL needs a cooker because her old one is unfixable I'd probably say yes as it's a essential bit of kit.

itsnearlychristmas · 30/10/2017 09:51

No way.

ThisisrealityGreg · 30/10/2017 09:55

OP ignore the one poster who is challenging you - everyone else can quiet clearly see your POV and are in agreement with you!

RhiannonOHara · 30/10/2017 10:02

Good for you, OP. I think she's huffing and is expecting a climbdown/apology from you and DH, but she can expect away, can't she?!

ChinUpChestOut · 30/10/2017 10:24

When I was married to DH1 who was from a large family (7 DC) we were "invited to contribute" to MiL's annual property tax. She lived alone, comfortably, in a very large house in an expensive area, and eldest SiL thought we should all contribute to the tax. We had just got married, just bought a house and had barely enough money left over each month to eat. We told SiL we had zero in the account - her response? "Well, give what you can afford". We were a "close" family, you see. Her engagement ring was paid for by a loan from late FiL to her DH. As was her college tuition (DH1's was self funded by loans - repayment of which contributed to our lack of funds). I asked DH1 if I should borrow some money from my very working class parents who had lived within their means all their life, and saved carefully. DH1 looked suitably horrified, but we sent a cheque for $100 (we were in the US at the time). And ate a lot of chick peas, lentils and beans that month.

Fast forward 3 years when DH1 unexpectedly died, and I can tell you categorically that as a family we weren't, after all, 'close'. Two days after the funeral I was asked if I would be reverting to my maiden name, within 6 months I was no longer invited to family events and within 18 months, nobody and I mean nobody contacted me again.

Being a 'close family' does not involve putting pressure on family members to contribute money they do not have to maintain high end lifestyles. Your SiL is a piece of work - stand your ground, and contribute the cake if and only if, it will be at a price you can afford.

CabernetSauvignyoni · 30/10/2017 10:33

'We completely understand. It might be nice for you to put some money in on our behalf for SILs wedding given that you received £40k from your DPs that your other siblings weren't lucky enough to receive, but we understand if you don't want to'

The sheer cheek of her!

MyOtherNameIsAFordFiesta · 30/10/2017 11:22

@ChinUpChestOut wow! You were treated horribly. Sorry about your DH's passing.

What is it with families like this though? I half expect DH's lot to unravel when PILs are gone. In some ways it would be much more healthy for them to disengage a bit, but it would be sad too.

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AvoidingDM · 30/10/2017 11:34

Chest up you really were treated horribly. I do know of another widow who never saw her ILs after the death. The kids were asking for their grandparents who just didn't want to know.

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