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He doesn't know if he loves me

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TerribleTime · 22/10/2017 07:50

Just that really. I've been with my DP for over four years. It hasn't been the fairytale romance you dream about but we've both been faithful.

He has never told me he loves me in the time we've been together but has always jokingly avoided the question. I outright asked him if he loved me last night. His response: I'm not sure. Love is a very strong word and I use it sparingly. Confused

I feel like I deserve a partner who loves me wholeheartedly and thinks I'm the best thing ever. When I told him I thought I deserved more in a relationship he told me to ask him again in a few weeks (WTF).

I have told him that I won't be asking him again in a few weeks and I'm not going to pressure him to feel something for me just because I want him to.

The thing is, now I know he doesn't love me where do I go? We have no DC together and aren't financially enmeshed. The weird thing is, I can't imagine sleeping with him again knowing he feels how he feels.

Has anyone been in this situation and what did you do? Any other advice is also welcome.

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Wh1stles · 23/10/2017 14:49

No. If he were terrified of losing you, if he really really valued you and felt luck to have you, he would commit.

I allowed myself to be fooled once. Eroded my boundary for a commitment phobe who said lovely, supportive things to me. He was perfect on a week to week basis. Then I discovered his reddit user name and saw something he had written and my cognitive dissonances crumbled. It is telling that it took that sneakiness on my part to read his truth. To see the real him. Arguing aggressively with strangers, describing another woman after me as a partner. I knew then I'd been had. Completely and utterly had. Used not for sex but used as a girlfriend.
He has no scruples. I am so over that now. I kind of slightly pity him that for all of his self awareness and wisdom and philosophies, that is what he presents to the world. A man who will use people he is fairly fond of who have never harmed him just to meet his own needs. I got turned off. After yrs of idealising him i realised i had integrity and scruples. My words and my behaviour arent incongruent. For years i wondered why i wasnt enough and now i know he's so flawed. He's the one who is not enough.

You will feel like this soon OP.
Go nc and dont be his 'friend'

Brew

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Dozer · 23/10/2017 15:20

He is holding the carrot of “I love you” if you make clear that you will not seek marriage and/or ttc.

Stuff that!

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dorislessingscat · 23/10/2017 15:35

Nice. Gaslighting now. Next he’ll start blaming you for creating the situation, and ask for pity because of past relationship traumas —which may or may not exist—

You can do so much better.

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luckyDuvet · 23/10/2017 15:35

Another LTB here OP, you can do better!

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SandyY2K · 23/10/2017 16:07

Doesn’t matter either way, he still isn’t ready for marriage and kids so get on walking!

^^ THIS

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hellsbellsmelons · 23/10/2017 16:24

Yeuk.
Emotional abuse
Gaslighting abuse
I bet he stonewalls as well
And and cruel headfuck to boot!!
He's a lot older than you.
Seriously, what do you see in this knobhead.
We can all see he's an arsehole - why can't you?
Keep ignoring him.
In fact block him on everything.

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AnchorDownDeepBreath · 23/10/2017 16:40

He’s making it worse in his panic to stop you walking away.

Which might be understandable; if he wasn’t aware that you want children and knowingly letting you run out of time with him when he doesn’t want children with you.

Run away from him. Don’t look back!

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Dozer · 23/10/2017 17:28

He is probably panicking over the loss of control: he may well have assumed HE would decide when to end it.

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Sparkletastic · 23/10/2017 17:35

Perhaps he thinks that by holding you at bay for long enough he wouldn’t have to have kids with you. If he’s some years older than you and hasn’t shown any interest in them yet then it’s doubtful he wants them. But whatever. You deserve so much more. Tell him it’s over and plan a lovely holiday with a friend. Time to make space for someone else to come into your life.

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peanut2017 · 23/10/2017 19:51

Op that is bullshit. No one thinks that by saying I love you = let’s get married and have children?? What a dick

Anyway you may want to get married and have children but he he clearly telling you that this isn’t what he wants.

You deserve more - run away as fast as you can before you get any deeper

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TheWorldIsMyCakePop · 23/10/2017 20:46

Argh OP I hope you're OK today. He just isn't committed to you is he? Don't waste any more time on him, especially if you would like marriage and children. H'e had enough time!

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TheWorldIsMyCakePop · 23/10/2017 20:47

*He's

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ohfourfoxache · 23/10/2017 20:50

What a cruel, nasty "man"

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Josuk · 23/10/2017 23:34

OP - sure - he has commitment issues. Whether general, or to you, specifically - it’s impossible to say.

But given where you are: 4 years in; mid 30s and the fact that you say it yourself that you want children - what he is saying he thought you meant is not wrong.

You need him to say - I love you, we are in it for the long term & kids. All those in close succession.
You can blame him for many things - but you must be fair on this.

And you are absolutely right to want that conversation/commitment about long term + children.
Just he may not be ready for any of that.

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GeekLove · 24/10/2017 11:15

'I don't know if I love you' = I don't love you but I am too much of a coward to tell you but if I keep you dangling I have the power 'cause I can still have sex and have someone do my shit work for me. Plus I am such a wimp the thought of being on my own terrifies me more than being in a dead relationship because I would have to sort out all my shit myself.'

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Oysterbabe · 24/10/2017 14:10

Well you do want marriage and kids don't you? Does he?

I've been with my partner for 4 years and we're married and expecting our second child. We met when I was 32 and I'm now 36. Like it or not, the reality is our eggs have a shelf life and you can't fuck around for years with a manchild who will very likely decide he never wants children with you.

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Mishappening · 24/10/2017 14:14

Honestly - they do not change. He is never going to say he loves you and if this is important to you then show him the door.

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eyebrowseyebrows · 24/10/2017 16:21

"Hellywelly he has had a traumatic experience relationship wise in the past where a woman he'd been in love with for years left him without any explanation (or so he says)."

^ This happened to me. Do you know how many people I took that out on in relationships after that?

None. Zero.

That's a bad excuse for shitty, abusive behaviour.

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LemonShark · 24/10/2017 16:24

"Hellywelly he has had a traumatic experience relationship wise in the past where a woman he'd been in love with for years left him without any explanation (or so he says)."

Doesn't actually matter what the reason is. What matters is whether your needs are met and you're happy and want the same things. A man who doesn't love you isn't gonna suddenly marry you and have kids with you.

Ps the bolded happened to me too. If anything it made me appreciate being in love even more, once I realised it could evaporate in a heartbeat. Terrible excuse.

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user1485196412 · 24/10/2017 16:31

Leave. You deserve more than that!

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TerribleTime · 30/10/2017 09:24

Thanks everyone for taking the time to help me out.

I've had a bad week really. Ex DP has been desperately trying to get back to me. I've blocked him on everything I can but we work together so I have to see him there. I'm currently sitting in the car park not wanting to go in.

Also, my period is now three days late. I am never late. I am too scared to POAS because I don't want to know the answer. I'm hoping it is just the stress.

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Gah81 · 30/10/2017 10:00

Flowers to you OP. It could well be stress - when I am off the pill and regular as anything, severe emotions can really muck up my cycle.

Can you get a supportive friend to come with you to buy a pregnancy test? The earlier you do it, the more options you will have (I know you already know that, but sometimes it helps to have someone else saying it).

As for him - every individual has the right to end a relationship that isn't making them happy. He is not entitled to be in a relationship with you. The sheer fact that he has so little regard for your wishes is an extremely bad sign.

And if you are pregnant - have the baby or do not have the baby - but I would just say that don't think that he will change the better for fatherhood (they never do, just have a look at the MN boards) and get back together with him.

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qazxc · 30/10/2017 10:04

You deserve to be with someone that loves you.

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hellsbellsmelons · 30/10/2017 13:53

It could be the stress but try not to delay too much.
You'll have decisions to make.
Get a test today and then take with your first pee in the morning.
We can all help you through it!

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brrrfreeezy · 30/10/2017 14:09

Yes well, I love you does usually mean you are at a stage where you can discuss marriage/kids/permanent plans. Don’t put off testing, worrying is not going to help.

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