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The Dating Thread Number 123: We're so over over-investing

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Beentherelefthimgotthetshirt · 06/10/2017 15:31

Dating thread rules:

  1. The first rule about the dating thread is you don't talk about it with people you're dating.
  2. Develop a thick skin.
  3. Do not invest emotionally too soon.
  4. It's all BS until it actually happens.
  5. Trust your gut instinct.
  6. People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault.
  7. You are the prize - they should be trying to impress you.
  8. If it's not fun, stop.
  9. Loo update is mandatory.
10. No dating the thread.
OP posts:
Beentherelefthimgotthetshirt · 10/10/2017 10:41

SMM you've had good advice up there ^^ from Phoenix and Love.

I don't really like sharing and don't much like the thought of him being with other people then being with me

This statement, right there ^^, is why I don't think you're in the right place for FB or FWB. You have to be hard-nosed and take any perceived rejection on the chin. If you don't want to share stay away from FB or FWB. All you'll do is cause yourself heartache after heartache.

I think a lot of women confuse enjoying sex with being FB/FWB material but it's so much harder than that. Did you read through the bonding prevention rules on the other thread? Be searingly honest with yourself. I've figured out what works and doesn't work for me and I'm ridiculously good at not over-investing now. I don't do FWB as that's my head fuck but I do FB very well and even then it rarely lasts more than a few months when feelings inevitably start to pop up. I don't accept bad manners either. If a man's going to be lucky enough to share my bed he's not going to get away with being so ill-mannered as to not communicate with me honestly and properly which means he replies to my messages. That said I don't chat about this and that with an FB but one whiff of tosser and he's gone. Can you really do that?

OP posts:
SerialMistakeMaker · 10/10/2017 10:49

Thanks BEEN

I think now that I know he's been on POF looking, it has made me withdraw some of my over investment if that makes sense.
In my head, I thought if people came back that it must mean they like me but I'm beginning to realise that its just coz they want sex.
But hey if they're coming back coz they want sex then I can't have been that bad surely lol!!!
I think I'm going to be much harder on myself, in fact the last guy I saw I was very much non invested and didn't hear from him again, he is now deleted.
I've actually just been through my phone and deleted all the tossers. Now that only people who are gong to get to enjoy me in bed are ones that I've already been with and want to go back to and any new chap that can make an effort to show me it's not just about the sex, unless I want it to be just about the sex lol

Graphista · 10/10/2017 10:54

You do have to be able to do the sharing thing with fwb/fb I'm not jealous type so I can cope with that and actually been doing that for a few years.

I'm actually now chatting with someone on okc who is similar and has mentioned ethical non monogamy on his profile, nice looking, interesting. I have considered polygamy before and would be fine with it, long as it works both ways and there's honesty and the primary relationship is prioritised.

And I speak as someone who was cheated on - the difference there was the lies, gas lighting, unsafe sex putting my health at risk and he would have gone NUTS if I'd shagged someone else.

But everyone's different, it works for some and not for others.

Nothing wrong if it's not for you but you have to be honest especially with yourself.

SerialMistakeMaker · 10/10/2017 11:00

Hi GRAPH
I think I need to change my mindset and get any ideas about the fact that FB's are going with other people out of my head and change it to who cares, I'm filling my boots!!! Lol

SerialMistakeMaker · 10/10/2017 11:01

I would love to know if this is a woman only problem or if men get over invested too?
Also with the ghosting, do women do that too?

Lovemusic33 · 10/10/2017 11:18

I'm sure some men do over invest. I have slept with people and not wanted a relationship with them only for them to beg and plead with me. I think the problem is that people don't discus early in what they want, also sometimes people don't even know what they want themselves. I think this is where I have gone wrong with Mr Mountain, we haven't really talked about what we want though he did ask me 'if I was worried about the distance if we were to be in a relationship' so I'm kind of guessing that he's looking for a long term relationship. It's all guess work, would be much easier to just talk about it Grin.

Beentherelefthimgotthetshirt · 10/10/2017 11:43

SMM I think plenty of women ghost and plenty of men over-invest. I always think it's about timing. You might meet someone lovely who's in a 'fill yer boots' phase or you might be in that phase yourself. I've had a couple over-invest in me and it's horrible to shake them off. I had one guy actually sobbing and begging to be 'just my FWB'. I could feel my lip curling in disdain as he said that but I was kind and gave him the 'it's me not you' line.

I think a lot of over-invested men come across as possessive and controlling very early on whereas women come across as clingy and needy.

I do this amazing personality flip around three to six months into a relationship and go from fabulous independent sorted woman to needy twat. It's taken me this long to realise so next time I'll be ready to stop myself. famous last words

Love you're in that horrible no-man's land right now, not helped by unavailability on both sides. Too early to say 'exclusive' too late to feel relaxed about multi-dating...

OP posts:
PhoenixMama · 10/10/2017 11:45

Love - do you not ask in early messaging?

I ask everyone (usually on the first day of chatting) but def have a light, general convo before meeting. It’s part of my vetting process!

If someone says “I’m just interested in seeing where things go” they’re generally interested in sex only. My general line is that I’m ultimately looking for a relationship but looking to date to build up to that.

Guys have told me before they were relieved we worked out we weren’t on the same page before we went out so nobody wasted any time. The guys I date may not want to be in a relationship with me lol but 90% of them are open to one.

Lovemusic33 · 10/10/2017 11:51

Phoenix sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. Usually if they start talking about sex after a couple of messages I assume they are just after that. Mr Mountain has never really talked about sex, even after doing it (other than saying how good it was) so I'm guessing he's not just after a shag? But I need to stop guessing and ask him, just seems awkward now. I am desperate for him to say 'let's come off of POF and be exclusive'.

PhoenixMama · 10/10/2017 11:58

Love - is there any reason why you can’t say that to him?

Lovemusic33 · 10/10/2017 13:47

Phoenix the only reason is my fear of rejection or scared I will scare him away. I know I'm being silly and I need to just talk to him. Maybe I will have a little drink later and just ask him.

PhoenixMama · 10/10/2017 14:48

I just had that hilarious thing where someone WhatsApps you & says you were chatting before & you have no idea who they are!

SerialMistakeMaker · 10/10/2017 14:54

Do you mean it could be one of a handful of different irons? Lol

PhoenixMama · 10/10/2017 15:54

Yeah so many bloody come & go & I delete them when they do, which means if they pop up again I often have no idea who they are. (Before dtd obvs. Or at least I hope so!)

Lovemusic33 · 10/10/2017 15:58

Grin Phoenix that happened to me the other day, couldn't remember who he was. I have started deleting if we don't talk for a week or so.

PipGirl404 · 10/10/2017 16:23

Hey guys 👋🏼
Sitting in my car eating a kit Kat away to pick up DD. Mr Smith came round yesterday and we called it a day. He's been pestering for 'just sex' but I'm not buying it!

In a weird twist of events (if anyone even remembers him...) I'm going bungee jumping on Saturday with Mr Offshore... we've kept in touch all through Mr Smith and I think it contributed to me realising Mr Smith wasn't the right one!!!

NikiBabe · 10/10/2017 17:03

Randomly met a guy IRL. Went for a drink. Seems nice. He has texted me a couple of times.

He is 25 and I am over 35.

He knows my age. Worth exploring I wonder?! Not for anything serious.

PipGirl404 · 10/10/2017 17:11

Niki definitely worth exploring!

PhoenixMama · 10/10/2017 17:30

Niki - I’ve had a few young ones. They can be great fun for a while although avoid staying at theirs or you’ll feel really old.

1DAD2KIDS · 10/10/2017 18:00

SerialMistakeMaker Men, defiantly get ghosted, lots of times. At least I hope so (as I cant really talk for other men), because it has happened to me too. And personally I have got over invested a couple of times try as hard as I like not too.

I wonder if some of the problems with old is the sweet shop mentality of it all. You get chatting to someone, you like them, they like you. All is going great and the feedback is promising. You may even have even met them once or twice. But all of a sudden nothing, chat is minimum or they have gone to ground. I suspect in most cases (as they are still active on OLD) they have found/talking to someone they see as a better prospect. Then you are out with the old (get the pun). Or sort of kept dangling as a plan B, or they turn up out the blue a month down the line like nothing happened. I must admin the shoe on the other foot I understand it, sure most of you do too. Who hasn't been on OLD talking to a good prospect then further down the line found a new profile of someone that sounds amazing or is much more convenient? I suppose its only natural when you have 100s (depending where you live) of profiles to chose from.

Graphista I have spent a long time with a very open mind exporing the nature and compertion of relationships. I am like you not a jealous person. I have explored polygamy at great lengh. Originally on paper the more I though about it the more I thought it was perfect. I am not a jealous type, very open minded and perfectly happy to share. I don't suppose any of us belive in 'the one'? Remove us for our current life, plonk us anywhere in the world and there is a fair chance we would find love. So why restrict our self to only enjouying love, romance and companionship with one person when in our lifetime we may come across others who we could share happiness with? Now heres the problem I found. I know people who are/have been polygamous and through them met more. The more I found out about them the more I realised that polygamy very rarely works out long term and makes people happy. Interesting you said you would be happy as long as your the primary. From a couple of people I have met who have been primaries (one in straight and one in purely lesbian polygamous relationship) over time the 'primary' has slowly found their position undermined and replaced as their primary partner has grown more attached to another. Also polygamy is very hard work to do completely equally emotionally, organisationally and physically. So if you have kids or demanding things in your life you need to know if you could cope with the extra work load? Personally from my experience its a plausible idea on paper but rarely works well and makes people happy in practise. I would say very few people (including polygamous people) have a mind-set free enough for this to work.

I see swinging and other forms of open relationship more successful if you want to practise non monogamy. Generally the swinging side is more about enjoying sexual freedom well maintain an monogamous relationship in all other ways. Some relationships are a bit more open than that, allowing some other aspects but maintaining the only formal relationship is the couple. I think these formats have a lot more chance of being a successful life long non monogamous relationship than polygamy.

As I have said before I see relationships as a spectrum not a set of clear categories. But the world has set boxes. So a lot of our problems seem to come when these imaginary boundaries get blurred. After loads of exploring, soul searching and experimentation I have come full circle. For me the best solution if you seek a long term relationship is a traditional exclusive relationship (even if you grant others access to the bedroom if your that way inclined). Personally I found the freedom of sexual liberation, many no string relationships to much hard work, never feeling security and never being able to fully throw my self heart and soul into anything or anyone. Ironically the freedom this lifestyle offered on paper in the end sort of turned out oppressive and restricted in some ways.

I must admin since I decided to give contract my full attention, remove my self from old and give love a go my mental health as sored tenfold. I am really on a high and feel a tone more relaxed.

PhoenixMama I often find the what type of relationship searching for box on old is often irrelevant. I have met someone who put 'looking for relationship' on their profile who where just after a FB but didn't want to 'causal' in case people they knew saw the profile and judged them. I also found loads more women to chose from when I moved to finding someone for a relationship. Therefore there are far more women looking for a relationship rather than something causal. I suspect most men know this. So I would guess there are many men who say they want a relationship but in reality just looking to get laid.

1DAD2KIDS · 10/10/2017 18:05

NikiBabe Most of the women I have dated in my life have been older than me. When I was 22 I dated a 37 yo before I met my ExW (who was actually younger than me by a bit. On average I have mainly dated women around 8 years older than me. Age has never bothered me as long a you are not mentally too far apart. Definitely worth exploring if you feeling it.

SerialMistakeMaker · 10/10/2017 18:22

1DAD thanks for your reply, although it's never nice to be ghosted, it's nice to know that you men experience the same problems we do with OLD.

When I went back on it the other day I was messaging a couple of guys. One was totally upfront and asked if would be interested in something purely casual but had no pictures which put me off straight away. I politely declined but we ended up chatting for quite a while and he actually sounded like a half decent bloke, not the other other wierdos that don't put pics on there.
Was sending a few messages to the other guy too but then didn't hear back from him, but the good thing is is that I'm not bothered - go me!!
In other news I did finally text back Mr Submariner asking if he wanted to get together again and he said yes. Hopefully this weekend!

NikiBabe · 10/10/2017 22:35

I'll text him back.

May be worth a good romp if nothing else.

pringlecat · 10/10/2017 23:40

Happn is terrible. Thought I would give it a whirl. What it has told me is that someone I've seen on POF since I've been on POF (so forever) and even chatted to (which fizzled out because we are not interesting to each other) lives a few doors down. #Awkward

Happn is just awkward neighbour stalking, isn't it?

I really must have tried every app possible. I'm running out of different apps to try before I bite the bullet and join Tinder like everyone else.

SerialMistakeMaker · 11/10/2017 09:01

Am I right in thinking tinder links to your Facebook?

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