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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

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Jennie1978 · 29/09/2017 21:10

My gut instinct is telling me that he likes you but you caught him off guard. The ball is in his court now. I'd try to remain friendly but don't go out of your way.
Well done for being brace op.

Jennie1978 · 29/09/2017 21:12

*brave not bloody brace!

MortalEnemy · 29/09/2017 21:24

Loopy, I'm annoyed because I may have imagined the entire dynamic, and it's made me doubt my own reading of things. I did really like him, and standing looking at a document yesterday, I suddenly thought it would feel perfectly natural to reach up and kiss him, which feels spectacularly dopey now.

Neon, everything you say is in fact right, including about the Malbec. I will read it over and hope it sinks in. And everyone's really.

Schnitzel, I would adore to think he was festering in his garden and kicking himself, but I'd be astonished. Very tickled to get relationship advice from NellWilson. This would never have happened in the Chalet School.

I just went indoors to put the bottle away and weighed myself. I am ten pounds lighter. Which is ridiculous. I brought the same box of salad for lunch the last three days and finally realised I was never going to eat it today and binned it. I even went to a meditation class on my lunch break yesterday and spent the whole time cross-legged among serious Buddhists just thinking about his smell. Blush

And then i get left staring at one of those fire doors that take forever to finally close.

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Justonemorelatte · 29/09/2017 21:52

Just pat yourself on the back for checking (that's the kind of thing the big girls who get what they want do Halo) and leave it at that.

I agree I wouldn't "chase" him now - who WANTS close friends/ dates who are all "well, if you chase me and do all the work I might indulge you, but I'm not going to do anything socially myself"

Normal people you want in your social/dating group can arrrange a coffee without coyly fluttering their eyelids and being cryptic (it should be "when are you free?" "Tuesday?" "Alright see you then")

If it isnt meeting your needs now, personally I'd put your energy into new things and maybe slowly drift away from the corridor chats without being abrupt or unpleasant.

Intense Workplace crushes are SO common btw, just look at all the threads about them! Join the club with 19900 others Grin

picklemepopcorn · 29/09/2017 22:21

You have done everything right, and have nothing to be ashamed or anxious about. This may lead to something- when he gets over the shock of it- or it may not. Whatever, you will have nothing to reproach yourself about- because you played it just right. You opened the door, its down to him now.

Think of this as practice for another time. You now know you are ready to think about another relationship, and you have practised the steps towards it.

You've done brilliantly! Well done you!

ferrier · 29/09/2017 22:30

I'm inclined to think that he does fancy you -a lot- but that he's either as unpractised and unconfident as you are or he's worried about mixing business with pleasure.
If a guy had said to me what you said to him, there's no way I would have replied 'that would be dangerous' if I didn't have desires to make it dangerous. It just wouldn't have been on my radar that it was dangerous.
Just tread water for a while. Keep doing what you've been doing. See how this project goes. Reassess afterwards. If in a short while, your path and his are not going to cross again then maybe just before this happens you could try again - get a definitive response.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 30/09/2017 01:11

This would never have happened in the Chalet School.

No, indeed, cos he'd have been a doctor and you'd suddenly and mysteriously have become engaged with no effort whatsoever on your part. Grin

Loopytiles · 30/09/2017 06:57

IF you misread it and he only likes you as a work friend, your suggestion was still totally fine and appropriate.

badbadhusky · 30/09/2017 08:07

First of all, well done for dipping a toe in the water. Secondly, I think his response means he thinks it could lead somewhere for sure but he needs time to think about it, same as you worrying about mixing business with pleasure. Don't immediately write him off. Just carry on the same as usual & I would not be at all surprised if he makes the next move. Is your project event in a few weeks a residential? Wink

Saffronwblue · 30/09/2017 08:59

Surely he meant 'It's too dangerous BECAUSE I FANCY YOU SO MUCH'

Only possible interpretation. Well done. He will spend the weekend kicking himself and planning his next move.

bluit · 30/09/2017 09:45

Not sure I'd carry on fancying a man who thought having a coffee was "dangerous". That's a bucket of cold water territory.

I hope he's mortified at his own stupidity.

MortalEnemy · 30/09/2017 09:48

I have a mild hangover, and woke up fuming. I may be an idiot, but even if he only thinks of me as a workplace friend, he shouldn't have friend-romanced me by reciprocating major confidences for months and then telling me it would be 'dangerous' to do this over a cup of crappy cafeteria coffee, and then exiting stage left through a bloody fire door.

It's left me feeling as if I've been trying to corner someone unwilling. It makes me feel like Honoria bloody Glossop from PG Wodehouse!

And it's perfectly possible that 'that would be dangerous' meant less 'I am attracted to you, but afraid of my feelings/am worried about starting a relationship with a colleague' than 'That would eat up too much time' or 'it isn't something I have to think about if I meet you accidentally in corridors'.

Thanks to everyone who's commented. If there's a smack emoji I haven't seen, feel free. Blush

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MortalEnemy · 30/09/2017 09:55

X-post with bluit. Yup. My actual teenage self might have found that attractively tormented. Adult me (so she's still in there, somewhere) thinks 'Seriously?'

And yet, this is a man who has been an utter delight to talk to, for months.

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LilaoftheGreenwood · 30/09/2017 10:01

Maybe he's allergic to coffee Grin

mumofone234 · 30/09/2017 11:04

I think he might actually be interested but has been out of the game for a while and didn't know what to do. I suspect he went home with his head in his hands thinking that he'd blown it. If you suddenly act more distant with him he'll just give up - if I were you, I'd be normal next time and see what happens. He might be so relieved that you're still on track that he readies himself and asks you out. It could be that this is just unfamiliar territory for both of you. And if it isn't, being normal will at least help you to save face and make it seem like you weren't that bothered in the first place. Win win!

cupoftea12 · 30/09/2017 11:25

My opinion is that he fancies you and is a bit scared. Maybe he hasn't had a relationship since his divorce or is scared by his feelings?

He will most likely be worrying about his response so just act normal next time you see him. I wouldn't be surprised if, after having time to mull things over, he brings up coffee again. Definitely act normally with him and see what happens!

bluit · 30/09/2017 11:38

Any upset I felt would be mixed with gratitude for the 10lb weight loss.

Every cloud, an all that.

EmeraldIsle100 · 30/09/2017 12:13

Your posts really make me laugh so I figure that you are a very nice fun loving, intelligent caring woman. You also have a lot of balls, well done for asking him for a coffee. It's his move now.

You've been single/not loved up for a long time and you are getting your mojo back. Work on it, chat and smile to men in your town. Browse Internet sites. Get out and about with your son and chat away to other parents. You are ready to embrace a new relationship or a fling. Enjoy life Flowers

EmeraldIsle100 · 30/09/2017 12:18

LOL bluit I would take the 10lb weight loss too!

Sadlady77 · 30/09/2017 12:33

Saying it could be dangerous definitely means he likes you, and I;m not surprised. Your posts are hilarious! I would definitely let him do the chasing now and if he doesn't then it completely his loss!

childmaintenanceserviceinquiry · 30/09/2017 12:48

I would start to organise a babysitter service so that the future lack of babysitter doesnt impact your social life. There are agencies, yes expensive but worth having set up if there is no one else locally.

cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 30/09/2017 13:17

MortalEnemy just carry on being your lovely self. Is there an opportunity for you to ask him what he's doing for lunch because you fancy (insert place of choice)? If he says he has plans or you feel awkward just say that's cool I was going to ask (insert another colleagues name) too. Then it doesn't look like you you directly asked him (even though you are) :) be brave.

MortalEnemy · 30/09/2017 13:25

God, you're all being so nice, just when I decided Mn had turned into a genuine nest of mean-spirited vipers and trolls. Flowers

I've been out with DD all morning at a village fair, talking to people, and trying to hold my head high and not fester (until I won a bottle of Lucozade at the tombola, which I thought was a mean trick by Fate), but in fact feeling slightly low. Though thin, as you say.

I woke up planning to accelerate my office move and vanish to a distant part of the building for good on Monday -- a recent reorganisation of departments means that we will only have meetings together once every couple of months now, which is probably why I asked him for coffee yesterday, because I will no longer bump into him, as my department's new space is a long way away in a dead end on a different floor, so no reason to pass by.

It felt like a last-ditch attempt to move our 'realationship' onto a non-accidental footing. Oh well. Sad

But many of you, who are more experienced than me in matters of adult relationships which, in fairness, is everyone, seem to think that showing up on Monday all polite, professional, with new cheekbones and 'Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn' is counter-productive.

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MeMeMeMe123 · 30/09/2017 13:49

Hi Mortal...you come.across as really witty & intelligent!
I agree that he's like a rabbit caught in headlights. Probably.

Continue as normal, to show you're strong and sassy ( is that a little fromagey??) That's the quickest way to retain your dignity, whatever transpires.

Good on you.

MangosteenSoda · 30/09/2017 13:57

You have behaved impeccably and he has been social awkwardness personified.

Friendly, yet more reserved than before is probably the best way to go. Perfect your quizzical smile.

Even if this doesn't go anywhere, it's kind of rebooted you. You're still young, you sound lovely and intelligent and interesting and have a lot of life to lead. Get a babysitter and start to get out and enjoy yourself more!