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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

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SensitiveOldAgeGuy · 23/09/2017 13:16

Is the culture you are both from so very different that couples hooking up behave with the reserve that you two do?

If not, then whatever his reasons, I say he is a bit in the slow lane, or almost pulled over into the stopping lane! The default procedure is that the man makes a move first. However we have moved forward since the 70s and before, and it is now OK for the woman to make the move, certainly if she is interested in the guy, and if she misses out because she didn't make the move, she has no-one to blame but herself.
I feel for you, I really do, because I think you have more at stake than a potential DP. You have something you really want, but a crippling reluctance to act on that desire. You said you have had a set-back in your career. If you suffer another "big-thing" reverse, it will leave you even more reluctant to move on anything, relationship, employment, whatever.
I am saying this because it is how I find myself after a number of setbacks in life, and it is not a nice way to be.

SensitiveOldAgeGuy · 23/09/2017 13:33

Dear M-E,
my post has just crossed with yours. I am mortified to see you deciding to give up. Please don't. You and he will both be missing something wonderful.

I have been reading your thread from the start, comparing your state to my own avolition. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avolition

Mine is awful and needs therapy. I have had some, it hasn't fixed me yet. Don't join me in misery!

PsychedelicSheep · 23/09/2017 14:01

Ask your friend to ask his friend if he likes you?

MortalEnemy · 23/09/2017 17:29

No problem, Sensitive. Ironically, I have more energy and motivation than I've had in ages, but it's not extending to this relationship! And no, our home culture isn't in any way puritanical.

I feel for you, I really do, because I think you have more at stake than a potential DP. You have something you really want, but a crippling reluctance to act on that desire.

You're absolutely right, in your second sentence especially. I'm afraid to let myself really want something for the first time in years, because I'm safe in the way I'm living now, which is very self-contained, just working and being a mother, and with no vulnerabilities.

Sheep, yep, that's about my level at the moment. He probably has boy cooties, too. Grin

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MeMeMeMe123 · 23/09/2017 21:34

Sensitive .... the avolition you describe is me too a tee.
Always thought I was lazy and non-resilient.

Will read more.

OP.... I feel for you Flowers

Apileofballyhoo · 26/09/2017 14:03

Fucking hell. Avolition being an actual thing with an actual name. OP please don't give up and please invest in you regardless of what happens!

MortalEnemy · 26/09/2017 19:48

Thanks, APile.

For anyone who's still conscious, the situation is ongoing and unchanged, only I just weighed myself and I've lost six pounds from my usual weight. Blush And I feel other people starting to notice... Us talking, I mean, not me getting thinner.

Oh, though I did ask him yesterday if he would come on this out-of-the-workplace project I'm planning, and he said he would. (But it won't be for six weeks at least.)

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PollytheDoily · 26/09/2017 20:00

I met my DH when I was 42 and we lived 4 hours apart. He was like you but he plucked up the courage to contact me (with the aid of alcohol 😁)

Don't give up OP. Flowers

GurlwiththeCurl · 26/09/2017 20:47

Please ask him out for a coffee, OP. I was in a similar position as you years ago. I fancied this guy at work and we chatted in the same way. In the end, I forced myself to ask him out for a drink. I was soooo nervous. We got married 13 months later to the day!

It turned out that the daft man hadn't even realised that I liked him, despite all of those engineered "meetings" and chats, the lifts home etc. If you don't take a risk, you will never know. Good luck.

MortalEnemy · 27/09/2017 08:30

Polly and Gurl, what lovely endings. How intelligent of you both to either be braver than me or to have fallen for someone who is or who gets Dutch courage after a drink.

Surely it can't be possible that my colleague remains genuinely unaware that I have feelings for him but am paralysed by the potential horror of being turned down by someone I have to see at meetings????

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badbadhusky · 27/09/2017 08:39

But surely all these "what ifs" are torture too? Your attraction to him has awakened you to the realisation you are open to, even want, more. It would be helpful info to know whether he's into you too. If not, you can look for someone nearer to home to reduce your 'romance commute.' Grin

rizlett · 27/09/2017 08:44

Just like you op - he probably doesn't want to ask for fear of rejection.

It is ok though to continue to talk just as you have been doing - something will happen - when the time is right.

Or - think of a way to make him feel more secure that there won't be a rejection.

badbadhusky · 27/09/2017 08:50

Could you slip him a note asking him to give you a sign if he thinks it would be worth seeing if your relationship could be more, but includes a request never to speak of it again if he's not? Nicely retro (Jane Austen retro) and gives him something to read out in his groom's speech. Grin

SensitiveOldAgeGuy · 27/09/2017 13:48

Surely it can't be possible that my colleague remains genuinely unaware that I have feelings for him

It seems wildly unlikely from what you have told us, IMHO.

but am paralysed by the potential horror of being turned down by someone I have to see at meetings [SoAGuy - why can't I make this bold??]

Also from what you have told, he seems to be a thoroughly considerate person, who could be relied on to keep your behaviour in confidence, and maintain a professional relationship. But anyway, he won't be turning you down.

Ferfukzsake · 27/09/2017 13:57

Please, please, please don't slip him a note! See what happens in 6 weeks at the out of work thing. I think that all will be okay Smile

MargoLovebutter · 27/09/2017 14:15

I get your fear. I'd be the same

FWIW, here is some reverse thinking that may help you see that he probably is into you. I am single and in the prime of my life old bag and in the office I work in, I exchange banter and stories about the news / TV / sport with male colleagues. This leads me to believe that they are absolutely not into me romantically, although we are good work colleagues.

Your man is doing more than pass the time of day with you or bantering, he is taking an interest in YOU. That suggests he feels more than just work colleague feelings towards you.

I'd gib out of asking too, but I think you could drop some fairly heavy hints, so that he knows the door is well and truly open!

rizlett · 27/09/2017 14:49

[SoAGuy - why can't I make this bold??] @SensitiveOldAgeGuy

Make sure your asterix have no gaps next to the words you want to bold.

Scottishlassie81 · 27/09/2017 15:56

Wait til the lift opens and grab him and drag him inside! Wink . Better that than letting it die!

MortalEnemy · 27/09/2017 16:10

If not, you can look for someone nearer to home to reduce your 'romance commute.

From friends in my village and surrounding ones, I gather that rather a lot of swinging reputedly goes on locally among 50 and 60somethings. Eek.

I exchange banter and stories about the news / TV / sport with male colleagues.

I must admit that one of the things I like about him is the fact that I have never heard him breathe a word about sport, which is a reverse-aphrodisiac for me...

he seems to be a thoroughly considerate person

He does seem to be, but honestly, I couldn't stand him being kind about it, and he would definitely be kind if he didn't reciprocate my feelings.

Don't worry ferfuk, even reading the (very well-meant) suggestion about giving him a note made my spine crawl.

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MortalEnemy · 27/09/2017 16:15

Scottish Grin. The damn lifts in our building get stuck all the time, but I always suspect that rather than it being an occasion of crisis-struck romance, like Speed or something, it would involve someone have to wee in a Coke can while the other person, a foot away, faced the wall and pretended to be deaf. Blush

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Scottishlassie81 · 27/09/2017 16:45

A ha ha. Glad you have considered it Wink. Stairwell?

badbadhusky · 27/09/2017 19:59

The note suggestion was mostly in jest. Wink

MortalEnemy · 27/09/2017 21:03

The note suggestion was mostly in jest. Wink

I think my senses of (1) humour and (2) proportion have both flown out the window on this one. Blush

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badbadhusky · 27/09/2017 21:46

Still, spine crawl is helpful. That is definitely not the way to go, so you can cross that one off & start to whittle down your list of romantic entanglement strategies.

picklemepopcorn · 27/09/2017 21:46

I think you should mention 'some of the things you like about him' in front of him. A lot. Maybe he'll get the message that there is a lot you like about him.

And start saying things like 'I'm desperate to get out at lunchtime, even if it's just for a walk, where can I go?'

Or just a note saying 'do you like me?' And tick boxes for yes and no. Grin

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