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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

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badbadhusky · 27/09/2017 21:48

Oy, pickle - drop the note thing. Grin

CraftyYankee · 27/09/2017 22:19

Is there a way he could be involved in helping you plan the offsite event? Perhaps check out venues? Menu vetting? Not a date of course...no no...a proper work related purpose. Grin

MortalEnemy · 29/09/2017 19:52

Well, I tried. Sad

After we'd been talking in the corridor this evening for so long that security came to close up the building, I suggested, very casually, as I was going into my office to grab my things and he was hurrying towards the stairs to do likewise, that we should actually go and have a coffee sometime instead of talking in the hall.

To which he said precisely nothing at first, and then, 'Oh, that would be dangerous.' With a completely unreadable expression, and then vanished through a fire door, after which I said 'Fuck this for a game of soldiers' and went home.

I conclude that the accidental meetings are enough for him, that they mean more to me than him, and I've been misreading the attraction as mutual. Crap.

What is getting to me is how disappointed, stung and teenage I feel. I am a sappy 19 year old in a 40something body. Because that's the age I was the last time I lost pounds because I have zero appetite, and thought Jacques Brel songs were deep and meaningful. Blush

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TinkleWoed · 29/09/2017 19:57

Oh Mortal. Don't worry. I've felt like this recently-feelings that I had forgotten could exist resurfacing after years of being an 'adult'. It's heady but bittersweet when the other party doesn't feel the same. But it will pass...at least you know you are capable of feeling again which means you could meet someone and fall in love. I had begun to wonder if that part of me had died forever! 😃

Loopytiles · 29/09/2017 19:57

Well done for asking.

IMO his response suggests he's interested! But it was socially inept.

Why couldn't you (hypothetically) go out with friends or on a date one evening? Seek a babysitter!

TinkleWoed · 29/09/2017 20:02

Interesting Loopy-hadn't thought of that. Maybe he was feeling painfully shy and ran off! There could be hope yet...

YoureAnArseholeDenise · 29/09/2017 20:05

He fancies you.

LilaoftheGreenwood · 29/09/2017 20:10

Just read your whole thread. This is very odd.

Why would he say "Oh that would be dangerous" UNLESS he was interested? If he just saw you as a friend, or even wished to actively discourage you, he'd have just said vaguely "Oh yeah let's do that sometime..." and then never mentioned it again.

It's still slightly twatty though. If you're going to pull off something like that it has to be with a devilish smile and if possible a twirl of the moustache. Not blank faced and vanishing through a bloody fire door.

CraftyYankee · 29/09/2017 20:10

Yup, sounds like he thinks it would be dangerous because away from work something more could happen. Work is safe.

sonjadog · 29/09/2017 20:11

Well done for asking, but if I were you, I´d leave it now.

I had a workplace romance a few years ago. At first it was really great, but then it went bad and the pain went on and on. I swore I´d never get involved with someone at work every again.

Flyinggeese · 29/09/2017 20:13

OP 'dangerous' in a good way? That's how I'd read that. I'd also hang right back now and not initiate a conversation. Wait for him to start one. He will.

tehmina23 · 29/09/2017 20:15

Mortal I totally get where u are coming from - I'm 41 and like a guy at work.
I don't know his age but he's very attractive and got a school age son.
He's a Muslim and he's very clever, he's actually written a book!
I'm tempted to try asking him for coffee over Facebook...

Loopytiles · 29/09/2017 20:15

I couldn't be arsed with lengthy chit chats "in the margins" at work with someone I fancied, or even just got on with and wanted to be friends with. The usual etiquette for both friends and potential dates is arrange to go for coffee or lunch. You suggested one of those and he handled it ineptly / rudely.

If he fancies you he should now ask you out. If he only wants to be friends he should make that clear (I have several casual male acquaintances at work, they or I say straightforward things like "are you free today for a cup of tea?" Or "shall we have lunch to talk about X" - usually a mutual moan about something we agree on)

MortalEnemy · 29/09/2017 20:16

Thanks, everyone. You're very nice to someone who has had what looks like an unrequited teenage crush, and is now hitting a bottle of fairly shit Malbec in my autumnal garden (yes, in the dark). Because I'm definitely not a cliché.

Thanks, Tinkle, especially, though I'd have preferred that part of me to stay asleep in the circumstances. Loopy, I think you're right about him being socially awkward, but I don't know where I go with that -- kidnapping men who don't want to have coffee isn't a thing I do!

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Flyinggeese · 29/09/2017 20:19

Don't go anywhere with it! Leave it completely now. He'll come to you OP. Just enjoy the chase.

LilaoftheGreenwood · 29/09/2017 20:20

Tbh he has been pretty inadequate here. You formed a bond at the same pace he did, then you suggested a coffee. This is completely normal behaviour. His actual position is a bit opaque but if he was a nice non-fucked up person he would have either accepted with grace or turned it down with grace. Don't you take on his lack of grace as somehow embarrassing you. HE should be embarrassed.

NeonMist · 29/09/2017 20:24

Good for you to suggest that! I saw your thread about a week back, and glad to see the update! I agree that his response was socially inadequate, but most likely he was overcome because he has feelings for you - his words plus running off certainly suggest that..
I have a similar situation at my job, in trying to gauge if a colleague I fancy (but not to the extent of losing appetite yet!), fancies me back..
Looking forward to the next stage of this narrative, Mortal!

MortalEnemy · 29/09/2017 20:36

I have lots of male friends, too just no longer in this country, we're pretty scattered now and there have never been any blurred lines, and we've happily gone around together with and without our partners, in and out of work, with zero complications. I feel like a total fool about this now, and I don't know whether I'm crosser with myself or him.

And don't worry, I'm backing right off. I'm also moving offices to a different part of the building soon, so no chance of passing chats any more, and by the look of things he won't come looking. I will be polite, competent and professional.

Is deciding he's an idiot, rather than the kind, intelligent, funny man I thought he was a good idea, or just another juvenile symptom?

God, this wine is bad.

You know, I wouldn't mind a fraction as much if I thought he'd felt anything for me, that I wasn't fucking alone with this. It's like an A-ha b-side! Blush

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Loopytiles · 29/09/2017 20:44

Why are you assuming he's not interested and being down on yourself when you've acted normally?

If after being in work, a LT relationship and being a parent he can't get his shit together to respond to your totally normal suggestion appropriately very soon then he'd likely be useless as a bf!

Or, if you're right and he's just not into you, it's good not to waste more time.

As lilaofthegreenwood says, he's the one who should be embarrassed.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 29/09/2017 20:52

OP, you were (1) brave and also (2) totally totally appropriate given the context. He was an awkward twat - I'm inclined to think because he's interested rather than not ("could be dangerous" surely implies that), but definitely up to him to do the running now. You should hold your head high!

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 29/09/2017 20:58

His reply suggests he's interested to me! He's probably sitting at home kicking himself Grin

NeonMist · 29/09/2017 21:00

Don't lose perspective over this.. Perhaps the bad Malbec is helping with that too.. You feel hurt because he didn't respond in the way you had hoped to your brave initiative. Instead he responded like a flushing seventeen year old, because of social/romantic inadequacy - not because he doesn't have feelings for you. The question you want to ask is whether you want to pursue a man who is romantically inept, and may some other issues with emotional intimacy?

tehmina23 · 29/09/2017 21:04

I think you were really brave to ask him out.

Personally I find that kind of thing very difficult.

Think of it as experience!

NoSquirrels · 29/09/2017 21:07

Oh Mortal it sounds like he's interested to me but wasn't expecting it and handled it badly!

Anyway - you did good, and you have nothing to worry about. Don't drink too much shitty Malbec [tanniny hangover voice of experience]

TinkleWoed · 29/09/2017 21:09

Second the others. You've nothing to be embarrassed about, in fact, I'm full of admiration! He may have just been surprised-sounds like you have been doing the corridor chat thing for a while. Maybe he had accepted that that's how things would always be and it came out of the blue and threw him a bit?

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