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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

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MeMeMeMe123 · 12/12/2017 21:55

Get a new thread title sorted OP

Seeds1962 · 12/12/2017 21:59

:) :) Lovely

Apileofballyhoo · 12/12/2017 22:07

And so we inch inexorably forward.

MortalEnemy · 12/12/2017 22:37

Will you Jezebels all calm down about contraception and waxing and the sex we are highly unlikely to have??? Grin As I keep saying, I know now I matter to him, and that things have moved on from conversations in the hall — in fact, from things he’s said over the last little while, for him, it quickly stopped being just about conversations in the hall, though it wasn’t obvious to me at the time — but I have absolutely zero indication his interest is sexual, or anything other than that of someone who is becoming a good friend. I know this is greeted with sceptical cackles on here, but I’m not being all cute and self-deprecating, I’m perfectly serious!

And, in the interests of accuracy, I’m no romcom heroine jolie laide who shakes down her bun and is suddenly beautiful. I’m genuinely plain. And I’m ok with that — my not so nice grandmother used to say ‘It’s just as well she’s clever, because she’ll never marry...’ so it’s not that I’m not used to it — but I’m just not someone most men would see in a sexual light, and I need to factor that in. (Not a plea to be told I’m being harsh on myself, just realism. Let’s not get carried away!)

(Plus I would need a sex tutorial with labelled diagrams and arrows and stuff, it’s been so long... Grin )

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badbadhusky · 12/12/2017 22:53

What was it he wrote? “Don’t go, don’t go, don’t go”? Yep, totes platonic. 😆

TimbuktuTimbuktu · 12/12/2017 22:54

Can we have a new thread please- I'm getting twitchy!

YoungYolandaYorgensen39 · 12/12/2017 23:02

Waaaaaaahhhh!!

That’s about as articulate as I can be. I’m so darn thrilled with the recent developments

How long until the overseas trip?

CountFosco · 12/12/2017 23:16

Sex Diagrams. HTH. If you even slightly want to have sex with him take the condoms. He need never know but if you were to get physical you'd want to be prepared wouldn't you? We don't need to know.

NoSquirrels · 12/12/2017 23:22

for him, it quickly stopped being just about conversations in the hall, though it wasn’t obvious to me at the time — but I have absolutely zero indication his interest is sexual

Well, dear Mortal, as sometimes things aren’t obvious to you at the time, it’s a good job you’ve got us... Grin

CraftyYankee · 13/12/2017 00:34

"We don't need to know"

Speak for yourself Count, some of us are way too overinvested in someone else's life to not get to hear the good parts...Wink

Seeds1962 · 13/12/2017 00:37

Ha ha ha ha Sorry, as you were.

ferrier · 13/12/2017 01:06

Oh Mortal, he is a clever man indeed.
As for the condoms, even if you were so inclined, wouldn't it be embarrassing if you had condoms and he didn't. I do think Rumpled is the kind of guy who needs to go at his own pace.
PS. Please do get a new thread going. Think this is just about the last page.

Saffronwblue · 13/12/2017 02:25

He cares about you, you care about him, you are both single and straight and going to be away together.

Just follow your feelings and see where it goes!

CountFosco · 13/12/2017 06:49

As for the condoms, even if you were so inclined, wouldn't it be embarrassing if you had condoms and he didn't.

FFS no it wouldn't. He's only going to know she has them if they get so physically close that they need to have the 'we need a condom' discussion at which point if he were to judge her for having them she should walk away. Not that any decent rumpled man would be anything but grateful that she had them in that situation. She should not have to pretend to be innocent and overwhelmed by his passion or whatever bullshit if they were to want to get jiggy. They are in their 40s. That's just mysogyny and double standards. Like I said, if she wants to fuck him she can take condoms, he won't know unless they need them. Better that than an unwanted pregnancy or STI.

christmasrage · 13/12/2017 07:03

Looks only matter in the initial, attracting someone's attention stage.

Once you know someone, it's their personality, manner and vibe which ignites the spark.

The oddest looking people are attractive- rowan atkinson when he isn't in character, jack Nicholson etc.

This may sound a bit cruel- Ann widdicome in a photo was extremely plain. Once you got to know her a bit strictly fan here she seemed transformed. Her personality and wicked humour shone through.

Mix56 · 13/12/2017 07:48

did he ask "may I invite you to dinner" ? or was it, "I'll make up for this with a meal when we are at X"
Either way, he's rather spend time with you than anyone else, which is very good for the soul.
What did you reply ? "It's a date, there is nothing that I would like more," -

Mix56 · 13/12/2017 07:49

please start, Mortal's next date thread

MortalEnemy · 13/12/2017 08:27

It was via text, in an exchange where he was apologising for not coming on the offsite thing, and he said ‘I will buy you dinner in WorkTrip City in compensation’ and linked to the place he had in mind, which looks lovely and had clearly been the result of some thought, as I have some dietary requirements not met everywhere.

I didn’t actually accept, come to think of it — I responded, mildly flirtatiously, to a piece of (I assume) outrageous semi-jokey flattery in the same text, but I think acceptance was assumed. Grin

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MortalEnemy · 13/12/2017 08:31

I mean, I assume it was a semi-joke. It was definitely flattery. Not usually his style.

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TabbyMack · 13/12/2017 08:42

Erm, just to point out Mortal (as I'm sure others have already) - you are not so plain that you couldn't find a man willing to marry and impregnate once before, right? So what's the difference here?

It is a very great truism that the people we feel things for become good looking to us. Love goggles. So, please, by all means follow your gut on how you think he's feeling, but stop thinking, "Oh, it won't happen because I'm plain" (whatever that actually means). It's irrelevant to thinking people.

badbadhusky · 13/12/2017 09:01

New thread! New thread! New thread!

^ There is no subtlety about my approach.

NewLove · 13/12/2017 09:09

I didn’t actually accept, come to think of it — I responded, mildly flirtatiously, to a piece of (I assume) outrageous semi-jokey flattery in the same text, but I think acceptance was assumed. grin

MN has unwritten rules about drip feeding!

Do tell what he said :)

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/12/2017 09:12

I didn’t actually accept, come to think of it — I responded, mildly flirtatiously, to a piece of (I assume) outrageous semi-jokey flattery

Hang on - I can't help wondering if that's entirely fair? It couldn't be more obvious that this guy's something of a slow mover, and surely it's only right to give him a bit of encouragement?

If you only felt lukewarm about him I honestly wouldn't say a thing. But you're keen, he's keen ... what's wrong with "that would be lovely; I'll really look forward to it"?

Redsippycup · 13/12/2017 09:28

Oh hell, I've just read 39 pages (well I fell asleep reading last night, it's such a lovely gentle tale) and it's still not the Xmas party!

I think heee liiiikeess yoooooou

Please start a new thread - I can't not know! (i don't care how long I takes, you eventually will fall into each other's arms as the music starts and the picture fades... Sigh...)

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 13/12/2017 09:48

Taking a brief break from hat shopping to shout NEW THREAD