Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

situation with my colleague

978 replies

MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

OP posts:
bluit · 30/09/2017 14:05

I think he's made things very simple for you, just be your usual self. You will never put yourself in that position again, he will know that, so unless he grows some balls it's game over.

You have nothing to stress about now, stay calm and see how this one pans out.

Apileofballyhoo · 30/09/2017 18:54

He so fancies you too, but ball is firmly in his court now. Leave it there so you can be sure he's able to make an effort!

MortalEnemy · 30/09/2017 20:58

A man who can't even bring himself to go for a casual workplace coffee when asked by a colleague who is open about liking him seems to me pretty unlikely to pursue the same woman to a distant office he has no excuse for passing. Sad

The mystery remains, though, why, you would gravitate to that woman's side every time you come upon her accidentally/ in groups, and be endlessly kind and funny and interested and personal, but find the idea of walking down a flight of stairs to a cafeteria and sitting across a table from her so 'dangerous'. Grrr.

OP posts:
UkuleleRose · 01/10/2017 04:46

Not quite the same situation, but there are four different men at work who make their way down to my desk very frequently, and regale me with their hopes/fears/dreams/worries/whatever. One is married, one is very much too young, one's a widower, and the other is my age, NMNK.

With the exception of the married man, none have even hinted at anything romantic in our encounters. After four years of this I've finally accepted the non-interest, but after having got over the disappointment (NMNK I had a real thing for, dammit), all I feel is used. They each come down and talk, talk, talk, and then walk away happy as hell, while I remain a repository for their feelings/problems du jour. So depressing that I now just say, literally, "Go away." And each one laughs and struts away, thinking I'm flirting, I guess, but who the hell knows.

It sound ridiculous, but it really bothers me.

UkuleleRose · 01/10/2017 04:47

God, that sounded whiney.

greentea4me · 01/10/2017 06:11

I agree that saying "that sounds dangerous" could only mean because he fancies you.

ColossalKalamari · 01/10/2017 06:48

I would try my best to not want him any more. Fuck him. A coffee is a perfectly reasonable suggestion, whether you had an ulterior motive or not and you have no reason to be embarrassed OP. Never mind the ball is in his court, I wouldn't want a man so graceless and unthinking

Justonemorelatte · 01/10/2017 06:49

Ukulele rose I hear you there sister!

I've noticed this in workplaces as well.

There are some guys who I reckon (maybe) fancy me but don't really chat to me.

But There are some guys who want me to be "work banter wife" dumping ground without actually giving anything back.

Sounds emotionally mercenary but as an older single woman I don't actually hugely value building a collection of unattached/unavailable men as close friends?

I'd rather be doing Pilates or on a date on Friday night than be comfort chat woman for Dave in accounts who finds me "easy to talk to"

I don't think this progresses my own needs and emotional life one bit.

Men don't tend to "set single female friends up with eligible mates" or do organising/ "Wifework" in friendships so it just feels like a one way emotional "give" street?

Also, I'm fairly straight in terms of making sure there aren't any "grey areas" if they're coupled up.

So it's not like we can do anything normal socially together without it "looking bad" .

I even get the impression sometimes they are telling the missus this single woman (me) is initiating friendship

when the reality is it's them doing all the social pursuing! Confused

I don't want or need to drag around a collection of people who expect me to meet their emotional
needs "as if I was a close friend" (but definitely wouldn't be there if I needed help with a house move or loyalty on a serious work issue or even to make time for a coffee out of work?)

Justonemorelatte · 01/10/2017 07:28

Ps I dunno if anyone read the MN classics thread on advice for junior lawyers, but there was quite a gem there which I think can be extended to a lot of socialising for single women.

Be friendly, of course.

But don't think that because a man (senior lawyer in this case) spends a lot of time with you and confides in you and treats you like a "emotional workplace favourite" that he's actually on your side or on your corner or will ever do anything for you that involves going out of HIS way

(the author of the post noted that often Magic circle partners would choose females to spend lots of time with and offload to - but when it came to hard decisions, they would give the promotions to the young men)

SonicBoomBoom · 01/10/2017 10:00

I wish I was more like you, Mortal. You sound fantastic.

I think don't go out of your way to move offices quicker, but if he wants to stand chatting, maybe be a bit less available. Or is that a bit pouty?

Spookle · 01/10/2017 10:33

You sound brilliant OP.

On Monday ask him if he meant the James Bond exciting spy adventure kind of danger or the standing on the edge of a cliff with your inner lemming shouting 'jump' kind of danger.

At least it will break the ice Grin

Good luck. I think it is obvious he likes you

MortalEnemy · 01/10/2017 11:37

I think don't go out of your way to move offices quicker, but if he wants to stand chatting, maybe be a bit less available. Or is that a bit pouty?

I honestly don't know! I seem to swing between 'I imagined the attraction, so it would be deeply unreasonable to be cross with him' and 'Fuck him, anyway -- does he think I am going to expect a marriage proposal after a coffee???'

On Monday ask him if he meant the James Bond exciting spy adventure kind of danger or the standing on the edge of a cliff with your inner lemming shouting 'jump' kind of danger.

That's the kind of thing I would normally have said at the time because I'm a wisecracking screwball comedy heroine in my dreams, but, honestly, it's hard to think of a comeback when one second you're deep in conversation, and the next, you're alone with a closing fire door! I genuinely wondered for a second if I had accidentally blurted out 'I'm dying to kiss you' or something. Blush

Ukelele and Just, you've given me a lot of food for thought. I have read both your posts very carefully. It's possible you are right and I've been deluding myself. It certainly hasn't felt as one-way/male problem-dumping/'work wife'-ish as the situations you describe it's honestly felt like a genuine meeting of minds but perhaps you also felt like that at the beginning of the situations you are describing?

Ukelele, can I ask whether, before you started telling them to go away, you were an equal participant in these conversations, or whether you were the one nodding along to a male monologue? And did you ever try to move the situation with the man you liked on to a romantic level, and if so, what happened?

Just, I should say he's not senior to me, though he's worked there for a lot longer.

Men don't tend to "set single female friends up with eligible mates" or do organising/ "Wifework" in friendships so it just feels like a one way emotional "give" street?

I definitely don't want him to set me up with anyone I'm not looking for a relationship at the moment, and I don't feel ready to put myself back out there, this attraction just caught me by surprise but I take your point on the emotional wifework. Look how much mental energy he's already taking up, and I haven't so much as had the faintest actual sign he's attracted to me, because if you and Ukelele are right, I'm a sort of talking post/emotional dumping ground, rather than a potential romantic relationship, or even a friendship.... Sad Angry

A lot to think about. At this stage, it's perfectly possible that if I see him tomorrow I will run away through a fire door. I also have the option of working from a different site tomorrow, which might be best...?

OP posts:
GoldfishCrackers · 01/10/2017 12:03

Sounds like he’s attracted to you but is working at the dating maturity level of a 15 year-old.

I suspect he’s spent the weekend shouting “you absolute fanny” to himself. He may have been taken completely by surprise and talk to you properly next week. Or he may be mortified and only be able to ignore you.

Timefortea99 · 01/10/2017 12:16

You sound absolutely lovely. You are funny, articulate, self-deprecating. I would let him do the running if he has spent the weekend kicking himself. Work at a different site tomorrow if you can. If he wants to have a more intimate relationship with you, it is his turn. But don't pin your hopes on him. Stop the pining and enjoy life.

SeaCabbage · 01/10/2017 12:44

Sorry if this has been said before but whether it works out with this guy or not you need to sort out a babysitter. What if he had said yes and it was the start of something wonderful? Smile but then you had to say, "oh I can't ever ever ever go out because of my child". It is no way to live.

Another thing, I bet he is dying all this weekend and is all set to speak to you this week and say oh actually yes good idea, let's go for a drink, I'm so sorry it's just that you took me by surprise the other night.

And if he isn't, well, he just isn't up for a relationship at the moment and that's not your fault.

Best of luck with it all. Sounds like you are made for each other. If only he would get some balls.

EmeraldIsle100 · 01/10/2017 12:55

I think he gravitated towards you because you are interesting and funny. I have a theory that men who can't pluck up the courage to ask women out are not going to be good partners. My partner tells me that if a man fancies a woman he will ask her out. If he hasn't got the balls then he isn't the man for you.

Try not to be upset about feeling low when you were out the other day. It can be tough seeing happy couples out and about. Keep holding your head high. You have been through a tough time recently and things will settle down.

Allow yourself to feel excited about your future. It's almost inevitable that you will date again one day.

Cary2012 · 01/10/2017 13:02

I've just read the whole thread and agree that you sound lovely and funny and engaging OP.

I would just carry on doing your own thing, move office when it suits you and try to push him to the back of your mind. If he wants to pursue this, he will find you, of that I'm certain.

ImSoUnoriginal · 01/10/2017 13:38

I'd just like to add my 'good luck' for tomorrow Mortal. I'm having a bit of a shit time atm and this thread has been a lovely diversion. I hope all goes well for you, which ever way you play it. I will be following with interest.
I also think the 'dangerous' comment, sounds like he fancies you.

Olddear · 01/10/2017 14:34

'That sounds dangerous!!!???' Did he think you meant he'd to abseil down the outside of the building to get there?? I'd leave him where I found him tbh

carelessdad · 01/10/2017 15:03

Mortal, lots of men just don’t pick up on social clues, and they need someone to explain things to them. No matter how many clues you were or not giving off earlier, he was probably surprised by your question, had to switch his brain onto a completely different track, had a flash of some secret fantasy and then said the first thing that came into his head. As the fantasy was likely some picture of Barbara Cartland meets 9 ½ weeks, he’s probably panicked that you might have seen this vision in his head, and he has quite literally run away.

I returned to the dating game after a long marriage, and some of my reactions to situations still make me cringe. I suspect that if you were to look at his garden today, there’s probably an oval worn in the grass and neighbours wondering why they missed out on being asked for sponsorship for his 36 hour non stop walk whilst muttering ‘shit. shit. shit!’

My suggestion, fwiw, is to play it normal on Monday and get the first contact with him over as soon as possible. Act as though nothing has happened, and if he still doesn’t mention anything, say “is there something you’d like to say to me?”

And although I’m now out of the dating game, you sound like the sort of woman with the most delightful sense of humour that I would have been very keen to share a glass or two of slightly more upmarket malbec with!

If this one doesn’t work out, it’s because The Fates have decided it’s a necessary passage to the real one which is just around the corner.

ImSoUnoriginal · 01/10/2017 15:15

Aww, that's a lovely message from CarelessDad. 😊 I think he's right on all counts.

bluit · 01/10/2017 15:16

What a lovely post carelessdad.

EmmaJR1 · 01/10/2017 15:21

I have no idea what to suggest but I'm rooting for you!

ThisIsTheRightTime · 01/10/2017 15:24

carelessdad you are wonderful! Smile

WhollyFather · 01/10/2017 15:35

OP, you sound really lovely. If this one comes to naught, I'm sure when you are ready Mr.Wonderful will pop out of the woodwork. Or possibly greenhouse.

carelessdad, great comment, +1 fwiw, ... except 'Barbara Cartland meets 9 ½ weeks..', which has left me looking for the brain bleach.