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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

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MeMeMeMe123 · 21/09/2017 21:15

Hi OP

You sound lovely! I'd be inclined to let things continue as they are for a while (maybe a month or so) and steer the convos in different theoretical directions...?

I know sweet FA as in a similar boat (post marriage, low self-worth) but am rooting for you ;)

caffelatte100 · 21/09/2017 21:22

42 really isn't that old!!!

MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 21:25

Thanks, Shay. Flowers

BR, sorry, hadn't realised you were male! I have very good male friends, but they live in distant countries these days, and I'm too self-conscious about this to start talking about it on Skype.

Yes, he's investing lots of time in me, and yes, we're absolutely sharing life stories. He knows about my best friend at primary school's weird habits, and who I lost my virginity to, and my nephew's near death experience, and that I bake bread when I'm angry/scared, and I know what he felt like shouldering his father's coffin and his army cousin's dodgy past and that we both saw the same student counsellor (same university at different times), his favourite painting and why he speaks a very obscure language fluently.

But then, those are things I'd probably know, over time, about any new friend, male or female..?

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picklemepopcorn · 21/09/2017 21:26

Perhaps steer the conversation toward something you'd like to do, like a place you've been meaning to visit or a film you want to see. Hopefully, he'll pick up on it.

Or maybe you need help with something around the house- an extra pair of hands to move something.

Or next time your DD is going somewhere, wonder out loud what you will do with yourself while she is gone.

Redhead17 · 21/09/2017 21:29

I have no clue as as I am dumb as hell with signals

However one piece of advice someone gave me and it stuck, never get your honey where you get your money

MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 22:54

I hear you, redhead. Grin Probably excellent advice. Not that any honey looks like being involved.

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LoveforPGTipsMonkey · 22/09/2017 00:12

I'm actually quite puzzled why HE hasn't yet asked you out, OP, as he obviously does love your company. He may be very shy, or depending on reasons for his divorce is too unconfident/feels unattractive - well like you do. The usual wisdom is, he will ask you out eventually if you continue being encouraging/nice and make him feel relaxed which you do already.
But I agree that to speed it up, go with the advice of voicing smth that you want to do/need help with, he really should jump at the chance if he's shy.

Aperolspritzer123 · 22/09/2017 06:06

OP do you have his number/connected on social media? If not then perhaps you need to engineer a reason to swap numbers or add each other on fb. Since you can't meet up easily outside work then perhaps chatting on WhatsApp/fb is another way of developing it? Good luck.

Russiantoffee · 22/09/2017 06:14

It sounds as if the quality of your conversations has moved well past work/colleague mode. One of you needs to give it a push to get out of the car park/corridor etc and into the real world.
Agree (with my limited knowledge of this stuff) that men don't hang around talking like this for hours with just anyone. At the least he has transitioned from colleague to friend. So can you look at him in the light of a friend and it might be easier to suggest something.

MortalEnemy · 22/09/2017 06:50

Love, the one thing we've never really talked about is our former spouses. He's only ever spoken about his ex in a respectful, neutral way, but they seem to have a decent working co-parenting thing, as do I with my ex, though he's abroad for work now -- my sense is that she left him for someone else. But I'm pretty sure he hasn't been in a relationship since. He could be pretty bruised.

Aperol, I'm a complete dinosaur. I'm not on FB or Whatsapp!

Russian, I agree, and I value his friendship, I really do, but that makes the stakes higher, rather than lower, if you see what I mean.

Aargh.

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dangerrabbit · 22/09/2017 07:14

If you really want something with this guy, I guess you'll find a way to overcome these barriers you keep constructing when people make helpful suggestions. If you can't, I guess you may like to consider that perhaps you're not really as into the idea as you think you are.

MortalEnemy · 22/09/2017 07:28

Fair comment, danger. If it's any consolation, I'm irritating the hell out of myself. And I'm honestly grateful for every response, even the ones that tell me to grow up and act.

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babyboyHarrison · 22/09/2017 07:46

If you don't think you can actually manage to casually invite him for a coffee then maybe just comment that you are surprised no one goes out at lunch as at your last place of work people went out all the time. Then maybe he'll see you are receptive and it might encourage him to suggest it.

For what it's worth I asked my husband out and had to approach him, single best decision of my life.

picklemepopcorn · 22/09/2017 08:16

Just to reassure you, making an opportunity to meet outside work won't sound like a proposal of marriage. It will be fine. Just casually mention 'needing a hand with something, you'll thank him with a take away' or 'I'm going to be so bored this weekend, DD is with her dad...'.

One step at a time.

bluit · 22/09/2017 08:20

Why do anything? Doesn't sound as though he's going anywhere else, anytime soon.

Any Christmas parties on the horizon?

MortalEnemy · 22/09/2017 09:28

I think babyboy's idea is the least panic-inducing. Colleague would have to drive about two hours to get to my house, so DIY emergencies would be a bit difficult. Grin Bluit, no big general parties, I believe. I think my dept had low-key Christmas drinks last year, but I couldn't go -- and he's a different dept, anyway. Like I said, it's a dour kind of environment! There is one offsite thing I am being encouraged to lead in the near future where asking him if he was interested in coming to help might not be too weird...?

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LoveforPGTipsMonkey · 22/09/2017 22:27

how about, in the middle of your carpark/corridor chat, laughing about the situation - 'aren't we funny lurking in corridors in order to have these deep chats (even about who you lost your virginity too Grin ) - maybe we should just make it to a pub/cafe for once?'. This should give him a clue that you want to move out of the office, he will suggest smth.

If he looks all unsure weird then you can just laugh it off again.

LoveforPGTipsMonkey · 22/09/2017 22:27

to, not 'too'

MyBrilliantDisguise · 22/09/2017 22:31

Hang on a second - this guy knows who you lost your virginity to???

How did THAT come up in conversation?

MyBrilliantDisguise · 22/09/2017 22:33

How old are your children? How old are his? Do his live with him or does he see them often?

Beentherelefthimgotthetshirt · 22/09/2017 22:41

I don't think I've ever told anyone at work or most girlfriends who I lost my virginity with. That's quite some conversation!

MyBrilliantDisguise · 22/09/2017 22:43

OP, you paint yourself as quite conservative in lots of ways and I'm really gobsmacked that you've talked to this guy about your virginity and, not only that, you've talked to all your friends about it, too!

diege · 23/09/2017 08:47

Could you say something semi-flirty, along the lines of, 'people will be starting to talk with all this chatting we're doing in door ways/corridors!'...
I know it sounds cringeworthy, but I was in a very similar situation to you a year ago. Massive overthinker and concerned about dropping hints, getting knocked back, and then having to work together..I'd rather not take a chance than be knocked back and feel humiliated for evermore (in my mind).
But I think I just got sick to death of the what-ifs, and I think you will too. So yes made a flirty point about what other people must be thinking which he then responded to in email...and a year later we're still together Grin. Now work dynamics difficult but for other reasons!

junebirthdaygirl · 23/09/2017 08:48

I'm guessing your Irish due to some things you said so l'm wondering is there any specific lrish stuff on ye could go to without it being a big deal.
Meantime you need to make a few changes. Get a babysitter. There must be an older teen in your village so work on that so you have opportunity to have a social life even if not with him.Someone from the local creche or after school place. Or get an aupair from your home country. As you begin to start doing things for yourself you will have a chance to involve him in some way. Do all this irrespective of him as you are still young and need a social element to your life.
Does anyone from your home country visit so could have a few folk from home over..including him!

MortalEnemy · 23/09/2017 13:04

I think I'm starting to be be viewed as an over-sharing weirdo on this thread!

The virginity thing came up only because of highly specific circumstances I can't say more about without being outing - and did not involve graphic details, let me add! But in fact I think I know at least something about the circumstances of most of my friends' early sexual experiences and in one case I was actually there, and helped out trying to track down the morning-after pill the next day....

I don't think that's particularly strange -- my friends are in their 40s and 50s, mostly, a couple older, and it was all over a long time ago, and can be played for nostalgic/horror-struck laughs, surely...?

I don't think of myself as 'conservative', to be honest. I think that feeling attracted to someone has just made me realise that I had entirely written off the idea of myself as an emotional/sexual person for a long, long time. I was a mother and someone who had a demanding job, and that was about it. I just trudged along efficiently with no emotional life, other than loving my child. (My family and close friends are scattered all over the world these days, and while they're important to me, it's all long-distance.) Now I'm discovering things about myself I'd forgotten, and it genuinely makes me frightened as well as happy..

In answer to various questions -- my DD has just started school, his are secondary school age and live mostly with their mother, but do spend a lot of time with him. He lives a couple of miles from them.

June, you are right about babysitters, regardless of situation with the colleague. I think I've been letting myself off the hook in terms of relationships and new friendships by there being no way I could go out in the evening.

I think (I fear?) I may simply cool it off with the colleague. I'm not brave enough for workplace risks and so clueless the only way I would know if he liked me is if he showed up with a giant banner spelling it out. Which is a ridiculous admission for someone in their 40s.

Thanks everyone, for the advice and good wishes. Flowers

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